Beelzebufo
Banned
Id be fine with all but Evil Ryu
Street Fighter V Roster Discussion |Thread 2| Deal with it & place your hope for DLC
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This might sound like a troll, I swear it's not, but what makes a visual novel any more of a game than a choose your own adventure novel? To my understanding they're the same thing just one has more visuals. I feel like there's something key to visual novels that I'm not getting but I'm not sure what.
Scrub Mcgrubb
Member
Next thought was the Sanjiegun or 'tri-sectional staff':
It's not a weapon you see very often admittedly and the only game I've think I've seen it in was Soul Edge, though in that case it was a weird way of censoring li-long's nunchucks rather than being a proper representation of the weapon
Billy Kane
Season 2
Akuma
Sagat
Dudley
Maki
Hakan
New
Season 3
Feilong
Hugo
Sakura
Sodom
Yun
New
Season 4
Blanka
Cody
Makoto
Adon
Sean
New
Season 5
Honda
Rolento
Elena
Guy
Rose
New
This would be ideal. Every season gets 1 SF2 rep for familiarity. Every season gets atleast 1 SF3 rep as well as atleast 1 Final Fight rep. Finally every season atleast gets 1 female rep as well as 1 new character. This ensures every season has variety and appeases all fans. Every Season also has 1 returning character that hasn't appeared on USFIV save for Season 5. Don't like the idea of themed Seasons where you have SF3 Pack or Shotokan Pack or Final Fight Pack. This makes things repetitive and only one fan base is appeased for a year.
Akuma
Sagat
Dudley
Maki
Hakan
New
Season 3
Feilong
Hugo
Sakura
Sodom
Yun
New
Season 4
Blanka
Cody
Makoto
Adon
Sean
New
Season 5
Honda
Rolento
Elena
Guy
Rose
New
This would be ideal. Every season gets 1 SF2 rep for familiarity. Every season gets atleast 1 SF3 rep as well as atleast 1 Final Fight rep. Finally every season atleast gets 1 female rep as well as 1 new character. This ensures every season has variety and appeases all fans. Every Season also has 1 returning character that hasn't appeared on USFIV save for Season 5. Don't like the idea of themed Seasons where you have SF3 Pack or Shotokan Pack or Final Fight Pack. This makes things repetitive and only one fan base is appeased for a year.
Shadoken
Member
Not really , i think Final Fight will have much more presence in Season 2 (3-4 characters) , Just like 3S ( 3 characters ) is getting in Season 1. FF got shafted in the initial roster and Season 1.
Geminosity
Member
Good call. I keep thinking he just has a staff or something because I never play him ^.^;Billy Kane
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Depends a lot on the visual novel. They almost always have some kind of actual gameplay segment, whether it's the escape the room sections of 9 persons, 9 hours, 9 doors or the crime scene investigation and court scenes from Dangan Ronpa.
Ultimately though, I would consider a choose your own adventure to be a game anyhoo though: it has rules, a goal and a failure state. By the standard definition of design it fulfils the 3 key elements required to be classified as such (without a goal, for example, it would be classified as a 'toy', without a failure state it would be termed a 'puzzle' apparently)
No idea if that's helpful but that's my take on it and I love visual novels :3
I'm not a visual novels expert so I probably can't give you a satisfactory answer, but I know I really enjoy games like Ace Attorney, Zero Escape and Trauma Center (yes, I'd call them visual novels too). You might be right, they're pretty similar to those choose-between-different-paths novels, so I can't really give you a good answer. Still, it was just one example of a game genre where I do enjoy a good story. I agree I don't expect deep stories in FGs, but a basic outline for all the character can't hurt. I know I like playing as some characters because of their backstory.
Beelzebufo
Banned
That's not ideal at all, we don't need that many final fight characters. Switch Rose and Maki if you absolutely need Maki for some reason.
Those games you mentioned aren't really considered 'true' visual novels. They're a hybrid mix that contains gameplay. Traditional VNs dont have gameplay like that, apart from making choices. Thats why theres alot of people that like to argue if VNs are considered games, its kind of a meme at this point.
If that means Sodom is coming in Season 2 the by all means yes. I've played a bit of Zero2/3 last weekend and this guy is so much fun.
Hey, has there been a thread or discussion about this yet?
http://shoryuken.com/2015/11/03/ari...-characters-appearing-in-future-capcom-games/
http://shoryuken.com/2015/11/03/ari...-characters-appearing-in-future-capcom-games/
Well, I'll let them argue while I still enjoy whatever amazing visual novel comes out. I don't really think such a thing deserves to be argued, but to each their own I suppose.
On-Topic: I'm expecting Fan (Zen?) to be revealed at PlayStation Experience, but it would be nice to have him revealed earlier and see a couple of DLC chars at PSX, though I'm sure for PR reasons they will avoid showing DLC content months away from release.
sixteen-bit
Member
EX4 confirmed?
Geminosity
Member
While I already half-joked about the lack of ingrid in this in my previous post, I'm actually somewhat surprised that you've managed to make a 4 season plan you consider ideal with only a single character I'd personally bother playing (Makoto... and to be honest I'm not even sure I'd play her, her translation to SFIV was hideous in just about every way possible)
I also agree with Beezle in that I don't particularly see why we need a final fight rep every season: if people want a character in that's fine but it should be for the character and not just because of the arbitrary reason that they belong to a series :/
...seriously though, all that final fight and no Poison? ¬.¬
Annnnnnnd the dream is dead.
Shadoken
Member
Evil Ryu confirmed lol. Man the game isnt even out and its getting mods. Would be cool with some voice files from SF4 ERyu.
USF4 had 5 FF characters, 5 Alpha characters and 6 SF3 characters.
SFxT had 5 FF,1 Alpha and 3 SF3.
I'd wager this game is going to get a lot as well.
robotzombie
Member
I don't really think its necessary to assume we'd only get 6 characters each year just because of the first year. Remember that this first year also includes the actual full game releasing along with the initial roster and all of the introductory work. If the game is really successful early on and they see gains through content purchases throughout the early DLC, they are probably going to ramp things up a little more for 2017. I think that year 2 could potentially see about 10 characters
Evil Ryu confirmed lol. Man the game isnt even out and its getting mods. Would be cool with some voice files from SF4 ERyu.
USF4 had 5 FF characters, 5 Alpha characters and 6 SF3 characters , i'd wager this game is going to get a lot as well.
dope
Geminosity
Member
mayhaps, but I stand by the second paragraph where I explain that by the design standards I'm aware of, anything that's even a 'choose your own adventure' is a game... assuming it has a fail state of course (e.g. bad endings or less desirable endings or whatever) :3
edit:
Also, as time goes on they'll probably get a handle on their DLC pipeline and be able to churn stuff out more efficiently too :3
sixteen-bit
Member
Lol, PC ver gonna make fake leaks so easy.
Evil Ryu confirmed lol. Man the game isnt even out and its getting mods. Would be cool with some voice files from SF4 ERyu.
Not surprising in the least. They have so many other characters they can use first before even considering the mildly popular EX characters. Capcom wouldn't also be able to use them in any future title a la SFxT without paying for the rights again, either.
I really doubt that there is going to be more then 2 or so FF reps in the game. The only reason USFIV has so many FF characters is because they were ported from SFxT. Since I imagine they have to make new assets for all the characters, I'd limit expectations to Cody and Guy (and maybe Maki).
As for the SF2 choices, I don't think many people are willing to pay money for a character like Blanka or Honda. At least Fei Long is reasonably popular.
Teknopathetic
Member
"Also, as time goes on they'll probably get a handle on their DLC pipeline and be able to churn stuff out more efficiently too :3"
I really don't think SFV would benefit from having characters churned out just to keep a regular DLC schedule. Was not a good look for League of Legends. I'm hoping that they have a decent head start for the Season 1 characters and then develop the season 2 characters while they drip feed season 1, rinse and repeat.
I really don't think SFV would benefit from having characters churned out just to keep a regular DLC schedule. Was not a good look for League of Legends. I'm hoping that they have a decent head start for the Season 1 characters and then develop the season 2 characters while they drip feed season 1, rinse and repeat.
I agree and I don't think Capcom even sees FF characters as from FF, they see them as Alpha characters. Aside from maybe Poison or Maki, I doubt we will see any non-Alpha FF reps (although playing as a wheelchair bound Belger would be interesting).
Regarding SF2, I only think (and hope) we get Sagat and Akuma for season 2 on. Frankly, Fei Long, Blanka, E. Honda, Dee Jay, and T. Hawk can stay dead (although I'd be willing to let Fei slide).
ShinMaruku
Member
I think the game should top out st 35 or 40. Otherwise roster bloat will render the game arcane to the layman.
joffocakes
Member
For 2017's batch of characters I'd like to see:
Rufus
Makoto
King Cobra
Necro
Dan
Eagle
I'm not a fan but I fully expect to see Akuma sooner rather than later.
Rufus
Makoto
King Cobra
Necro
Dan
Eagle
I'm not a fan but I fully expect to see Akuma sooner rather than later.
Shadoken
Member
Blanka is also actually quite popular , just that he has a lot of hate from people too.
I think DJ,Hawk and Honda will skip out on SF V. They were the only SF2 chars not in SFxT. Honda might come , Capcom does have a hardon for SF2 and hes the only WW left out.
Geminosity
Member
Just for the sake of curiosity I peeked at the popularity poll capcom published back in 2013 and Blanka was ranked higher than Fei Long
E.Honda is waaay down there though.Well, I wouldn't take the word 'churn' literally. I imagine they'll give characters the time they need, but the more characters they make the more they can tweak and streamline the systems they use to create them, plus the team will just become more familiar/confident with the processes involved
That said, this will be a potential revenue source for them so they're definitely not going to be slacking on it
Geminosity
Member
Does that mean you disapprove of smash's 50+ and growing roster? :3
ian to the max
Member
Not sure how acceptable it is to comment on this seeing as I'm the one who wrote the SRK article, but our translations were correct. They were ran by two separate translators, both of whom came to the same conclusion: Mihara stated there was a possibility of Street Fighter EX characters appearing in future Capcom games.
Thus, we wrote our article as such. I was careful not to include firm language when discussing Mihara's statements, and even mentioned that it wasn't as easy as Arika saying, "Hey, use Skullomania in Street Fighter V!"
I'm a little disappointed that Mihara and others took the opportunity to throw my site and our writers under the bus during his backpedaling, but what are you gonna do. If anything, it's taught me to take screenshots of things like this in case another developer pulls this same stunt in the future.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Bro, do you really think Fei is more popular than Blanka?
ShinMaruku
Member
That,no. Tekken Tag however? Eff dat.
It really depends on how far down the DLC rabbit hole they go. The more they do, the more likely they will be to fall behind. I could easily see them downing it to 4 characters at some point while they pump out more cosmetics.
Scrub Mcgrubb
Member
You know... the more I watch Chinese ribbon dancing videos... the more it really looks like the v-trigger effect in SFV https://youtu.be/qt0lyE3n-5k?t=3m59s
I'll do anything to justify not having Blanka in again lol. Though to be honest, I never really see a lot of casual players choose Blanka or if they do, they try to troll, fail because they can't play the character, and select a different character.
You doubt based on what, they got in. Thats it. sf4 had more than two, even if they were for sfxt they still got developed. Also a shit ton of ff reps are sf characters now.
There is litterally no basis for this sentiment. Id they want em in, they'll be in. There is no formula, thats all there is to it.
I can see then capping out around there if the game isn't super successful. I can also see them going to 60 if the game and DLC excess expectations.
The roster bloat won't be too much of a concern to new players because by the time that could be an issue they will likely be playing the F2P version of SFV.
Razzorn34
Member
No. Definitely not enough females in that list. 1 per season is bullshit, plus omitting people like Poison, Ingrid, etc. I would hope Capcom has more sense than that.
SF4 Rekka Poison is terrible. She can stay out
direct_quote
Member
I'm ok with Ingrid never being in a Street Fighter game again. So many better characters that could be added.
Beelzebufo
Banned
I don't know if more FF characters are likely or not, I just know I don't want them. I guess Cody and Guy and maaybe Poison would be fine.
Shadoken
Member
Poison will make it in easily. She and Sakura are like the only ones in the Top tier that are left out. Idk about Ingrid , she is a weird case where shes top in Japan but bottom tier in US.
Who else is left? Viper can stay in marvel. and please no more dolls. Unless Juli,Juni are completely new characters , I dont want them in.
There really isn't that many women fighters in Street Fighter, though. Remember, USF4 included all of the women fighters from 2, 3, and 4 (obviously). They would have had all of the women from Alpha if they included both Mika and Karin (who are in V) + Juni/Juli. After that you're stuck choosing from characters from crossover games (or that Alpha 3 port) and NPCs from the SF lore.
Regardless, the women characters are definitely some of the most popular so we'll likely see them in great numbers.
06- Sakura
17- Poison
22- Makoto
29- Ingrid
30- Elena
34- Rose
35- C.Viper
36- Maki
Top 6 all seem likely to be in sooner rather than later.
Juli's at 33 somehow but Dolls are obviously unlikely for a long time, and even then it'd almost certainly be a new one.