http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-marijuana-215623
Starting to suspect Bernie is her campaign adviser.
Hillary: reclassify marijuana to boost research
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http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-marijuana-215623
Starting to suspect Bernie is her campaign adviser.
Very true, she's going to have to take some stances she may not have wanted to prior to get the younger votes. Still going with Bernie, though.
Being the 11th most liberal senator is Diet now?
10% less sugar!
Veritigo_X
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Apparently so. All or nothing for some people.
Why did she gas those soldiers in Benghazi then? And why did she delete the emails about it?
hydrophilic attack
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This is very important. And this makes the far too common vitriol between Sanders and Clinton supporters even more stupid. Sure, campaign and do what you can for your guy. But save the hate for the Republicans
She said that? The old priority bullshit as if people can't work on several things at once?
Ryouji Gunblade
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Except that Sanders wants to actually fully decriminalize it to the extent of tobacco and alcohol.
Calling for more access for medical research isn't really a bold move, considering what Is happening in terms of marijuana legislation right now.
It's great only if we aren't going to see federal legalization under a Clinton admin.
The Clinton/Sanders bickering is not even the same order of magnitude as the Great Democratic Civil War of 2008. That primary season showed that the party could come together in the general election no matter what.
TyphoonStruggle
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Hillary: "Maybe way at the bottom you should be thinking about marijuana."
Other than the fact that [1] people are being thrown in jail for possessing marijuana, which disproportionately affects the lower class, [2] there is already precedent for legalizing marijuana thus should make it easier to sell wide-spread policy changes, and [3] if legalized it can be a source of revenue for the government... then sure!
EnthronedReaper
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I'm tired of Hillary dick riding Bernie. Its awesome that she is backing it don't get me wrong. But it seems like she has no groundbreaking opinions of her own. If I want a cookie cutter president i'd dig Reagan out of his grave
If Hillary (or any other Dem) is elected next year, I think there's a very good chance we see nationwide legal recreational pot before their term is up. Even if she's hemming and hawing around it now.
Just like Obama was against gay marriage publically in 2008. It was glaringly obvious what he really believed, vs. what he was willing to risk saying out loud at the time.
I know a lot of people still get really hung up on politicians being "honest" and all that, but it's just what politics is. It's pretty easy to see past if you pay attention to the day to day stuff.
Just like Obama was against gay marriage publically in 2008. It was glaringly obvious what he really believed, vs. what he was willing to risk saying out loud at the time.
I know a lot of people still get really hung up on politicians being "honest" and all that, but it's just what politics is. It's pretty easy to see past if you pay attention to the day to day stuff.
Veritigo_X
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The problem this election is that many Sanders supporters do not seem to identify as democrats. Watching the forum on MSNBC last night, I would happily vote for any of the 3 candidates. Some people sound like they'd rather watch the democrat party burn before they'd vote for Clinton.
Maybe it was similar in 2008 and I just don't remember.
TheLostBigBoss
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So Hillary was clearly baked out of her mind, so much so she didn't send any troops to protect the embassy
The pieces are starting to fall together!
The pieces are starting to fall together!
I think Bernie is happy about that honestly. I mean I do think he wants to be President but I also think he wants to push things in a good direction and he's doing just that.
Hillary's PUMAs in 2008 occupied roughly the same space as Sanders' crazier supporters do right now. Bunch of them threatened to vote McCain if Obama got the nomination.
It's a pragmatic position on the issue. That is what she is, we know this. Full legalization would require Congress. That isn't going to happen.
That's not how real change is made in this country, whether you like it or not. The reality is that most change in America is done slowly.
old manatee
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Fuck off Clinton.
You Are Viewtiful
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58% of Americans think marijuana should be legalized. Hillary thinks it should stay illegal. She is right-wing and conservative (not to mention wrong) on this issue.
It should be removed from the scheduled drug list entirely, and only if truly proven to have some physical or psychological dependency issues in an acceptable proportion of users, then added back at some level.
This will allow recreational use to be governed by states, get that tax revenue rolling in while having positive effects on law enforcement and certain segments of society. It will allow more widespread, more meaningful research and testing to occur on it.
This will allow recreational use to be governed by states, get that tax revenue rolling in while having positive effects on law enforcement and certain segments of society. It will allow more widespread, more meaningful research and testing to occur on it.
Also I don't know how reclassifying marijuana will help with the underling issue of it being used as a pretext to wage war on minorities and youth. Voter suppression is also not allowing convicts to vote, personally not only marijuana should be legalized but anyone in jail for non-violent/trafficking drug offenses should be released and record cleared.
This is why in the other thread I mentioned Bernie is not going far enough with his stance on marijuana there is a far greater issue at hand.
ArkhamFantasy
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There's no reason why it should be illegal. Colbert was grilling the Ohio Governor about this and he kept bringing up how dangerous Heroin was and Stephen kept having to reiterate that they were talking about marijuana.
Veritigo_X
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What's the problem with this exactly? If things hold and she is the democratic candidate in the GE wouldn't this be a good thing?
The implication is that she doesn't actually hold those values. I don't know if she does or doesn't, but she sure hasn't shown them much over the last 20 years if she does.
Because she's just saying things to get elected. She won't actually fight for them.
And Barack Obama was opposed to gay marriage when he was elected. Hillary is a smart politician. She is pragmatic. It's very likely that what she says publicly doesn't represent her actual views. But you have to understand that she is running for the Democratic party. She wants to run on issues that Southern Demoocrats wont run away from, issues that Dems in red states can run on without taking backlash. It isn't just about one person and their positions.
Hillary will run on whatever the liberal wing of the american people want, and is probably the best equipped person to make as much as possible of it real.
I... really don't see the issue with it.
I've outlined my problems with marijuana reclassification and legalization in this and the Bernie thread on the subject. I don't think he goes far enough and there is much more that needs to be done to address our drugs policy and addiction to both legal and illegal drugs.
To me what Clinton proposes is something Obama should have done 7 years ago
It's pretty pathetic that this is seen as something only Bernie can bring. Prohibition, criminalizing addiction, demonizing drug users instead of treating it as a health issue that needs to be addressed by specialists, support groups and society at large. This is a small step but it's a step thats especially important. A lot of the crime associated with drug use is mostly tied to the illegality of the substance. A lot of the dangers caused by drug abuse are at - similar to the dangers of depression. The two are intertwined and it's no wonder how many deaths anti-depression legal drugs cause. It's a health hazard that could be addressed with compassion instead of sneer.
Marijuana needs to be legalized because of it's inherent popularity and not being linked with any more severe side effects than people who eat unhealthy foods non-stop.
While other drug use, decriminalized and people who use drugs need to be given an alternative to addiction such as treatment.
Below is what Portugal has been doing for the last 14 years to combat addiction as a public health issue.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...dly-anyone-dies-from-overdosing-10301780.html
It's sad that Bernie Sanders isn't going that far and that media has been able to demonize drug users to such an extend. Especially when the entire drug war has always been also used for racial profiling and expanding the jail population with minorities.
Common sense needs to prevail but not while media is pushing news stories about some individuals with obvious serious health issues who probably made the worst possible decisions under the influence. There is tons of responsible adults that partake to utilizing illegal heights, and are not directly negatively effecting anyone else any more than someone eating their 7th Big Mac for the day.
It's still a step in the right direction. Instead of vilifying the drug and spreading misinformation as we've done in the past, research will allow new, scientifically backed data to inform the public and change sentiments about the drug over time. That's the sort of thing that leads to ballot initiatives and legalization, because ultimately, I think we're going to continue to see change on a state level for several years before we get nation wide legalization.
It's a politically safe approach to take too, because you're doing something to help enable change without fully endorsing it either. States will continue to flip when more and more people understand the economic benefits of doing so.
Christopher
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She will say anything to get elected lol
TheLaughingStock
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Lol it shouldn't be anywhere near schedule 1. Hopefully she read Sanjay Gupta's article from awhile back on the ridiculous classification.
I imagine this is poor phrasing on your part, but it would be nice not to see something sexist in a discussion about Hillary and Bernie. Thanks.
Moreover, why is a 'groundbreaking opinion' something of a necessity for the presidency? None of the Democratic candidates have expressed groundbreaking opinions on anything whatsoever, so would they all be cookie cutter presidents?
Notably, the most groundbreaking ideas I've heard thus far in the election cycle are Scott Walker's "Let's build a wall on the Canadian border" and Ben Carson's "Tithing is a good tax plan". Because those definitely prove how imaginative Walker and Carson are.
Even if it is classified as a schedule 2-4 it will still be highly illegal to possess without a prescription, so it would essentially change nothing for most users.
yep but it would line some very key pockets I'd imagine
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