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[Coolluck]

People need to pick better hills. Shouldn't we be happy that a female option was added instead of just being add at what wasn't? Where was the outrage over not allowing the player to choose Mexican Joel in The Last of Us. I'd rather they put more effort into multiplayer character customization options than try and accommodate people wanting the bigger task of adding more campaign character options.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

IMO I don't see it that much of an issue; if that is what the developer intended the model to look like, then let them be (and this is coming from a person who is also not white).

Seriously. Boohoo.

 

[Striker]

You'd then get people saying the voice doesn't match.

I think of the MyCareer mode in the NBA 2K series from this.

 

[Obrek]

Well I know that now, but going in and reading articles and statements, it came across differently.



I think many of us simply misinterpreted these statements. It sounded a lot more robust.

I think it's clear that any minor skin tone change wasn't necessary and only brought this "issue" to light. Just being able to customize accessories like hair, headgear, eyewear and scars or something would have sufficed for what they were trying to accomplish. Is this the first CoD to have a customizable SP character in terms of animations and cutscenes?

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Does the protagonist have a name in this game?

Nope. He/She is referred to as "Player."

 

[Slayven]

I don't know why people are looking to video games for trenchant social change mechanisms. It's a business and they clearly had no interest in doing anything else other than pandering with the inclusion of female operators. If you don't like it, don't buy the game. The amount of people who won't buy this game due to lack of racial options is insignificant and clearly activision knows that internet SJW's arent going to buy the game anyways.

Even if they did allow character customization, you always end up with stuff like Dark Souls where people make horribly racist characters. Alternatively, you could have one black, one white, one chinese, one japanese, one egyptian, one french, one argentinian, one mexican and one iraqi operator, and then people would criticize you for not having transgendered operators or not having a character who is a 7th day adventist instead of an episcopalean. This shit never ends.

What a sad way of looking at things.

The game industsy always pats themselves on the back for pushing boundary, bout only the majority acceptable ones.

 

[RichiRamjag]

It's basically false advertising if you ask me. Someone who hoped they could change the hairstyles, nose, mouth etc. will also be disappointed.

Good point. This was the largest disappointment for me, I didn't see the point of having the options there if they were going to be so basic. I've never complained about race or gender representation in a game before, but when I hear statements such as the one provided, I do enjoy making a character that's looks similar to myself.

I'm not outraged, I don't think treyarch are racists, or anything like that. There is room for discussion about the limited options and it annoys me that instead of discussing it, we get extreme comparisons about wanting to shoehorn more black people into Star Wars or told we're outraged...

I think it's clear that any minor skin tone change wasn't necessary and only brought this "issue" to light. Just being able to customize accessories like hair, headgear, eyewear and scars or something would have sufficed for what they were trying to accomplish. Is this the first CoD to have a customizable SP character in terms of animations and cutscenes?

That's true. The minor skin tone change wasn't necessary. Had they had a main character and allowed for the customization of gear, maybe some scars, etc, then I doubt this would even be a topic. In regards to the franchise offering the ability, I couldn't say as I skipped the past 2-4. The ones I played didn't.

 

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Most of these COD diversity counter-arguments are pretty much, "I don't care".

No need to try and justify it with "bigger problems in the world", and "this is the wrong team". No need to blame SJWs, complainers, and whatever.


Just say it, move on, and then don't act like the AAA game industry is making progress when they are behind most visual media in terms of inclusion in their products and teams.


Unless something else is really bothering you.

 

[Yopis]

Guess you checked all the progressive boxes if white female is served. What a joke.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Seriously. Boohoo.

I mean, if all you can do in this thread is tell people that all they are doing is crying because there isn't any people of color, you shouldn't be in the thread.

Same with the people just saying "I don't care and I am [non white ethnicity], and you shouldn't either."

 

[Fbh]

Does the protagonist have a name in this game?

Haven't played the game so no idea.
I still don't see what that has to do with the fact that he is a fixed character.

Is there something particular about the character or personality of Nathan Drake that couldn't work if he was Black? Or Lara Croft if she was asian?

There's outrage because you can change the gender, unlike in those games those, you are able to customise the character to your wants. They just do not to give you that option specifically, because they believe it's not worth the effort in comparison to everything else.

And Borderland 2 has both male and female characters which can be customized way more than these Cod characters (via the skins you find).

Was there also an outrage about not being able to play as black Maya or Indian Axton or Asian Salvador?

 

[Sai-kun]

I don't know why people are looking to [movies/tv] for trenchant social change mechanisms. It's a business and they clearly had no interest in doing anything else other than pandering with the inclusion of female [protaganists]. If you don't like it, don't [watch the thing]. The amount of people who won't [watch this movie/tv show] due to lack of racial options is insignificant and clearly [company] knows that internet skeleton's arent going to [watch the movie/tv show] anyways.

see how dumb this sounds

 

[Slayven]

I mean, if all you can do in this thread is tell people that all they are doing is crying because there isn't any people of color, you shouldn't be in the thread.

Same with the people just saying "I don't care and I am [non white ethnicity], and you shouldn't either."

Really just a way to shout down discussion without having a point.

 

[Obrek]

I mean, if all you can do in this thread is tell people that all they are doing is crying because there isn't any people of color, you shouldn't be in the thread.

Same with the people just saying "I don't care and I am [non white ethnicity], and you shouldn't either."

So basically what you want is only people who agree that it's a huge racial issue in this thread so you can all agree with each other and rail against the powers that be in unison.

Maybe you're on the wrong internet forum.

 

[Principate]

I don't know why people are looking to video games for trenchant social change mechanisms. It's a business and they clearly had no interest in doing anything else other than pandering with the inclusion of female operators. If you don't like it, don't buy the game. The amount of people who won't buy this game due to lack of racial options is insignificant and clearly activision knows that internet SJW's arent going to buy the game anyways.

Even if they did allow character customization, you always end up with stuff like Dark Souls where people make horribly racist characters. Alternatively, you could have one black, one white, one chinese, one japanese, one egyptian, one french, one argentinian, one mexican and one iraqi operator, and then people would criticize you for not having transgendered operators or not having a character who is a 7th day adventist instead of an episcopalean. This shit never ends.

Who cares about that, we're not talking about changing social norms here, we're talking about greater customization to help certain consumers relate or not better in the product a consumer wants to buy or not buy.

It's not remotely strange for a consumer to ask for changes to suit their tastes. This is fucking gaf it's full of this shit, from graphical quality complaints, to complaints about parity, technical issues, poor gameplay decisions and story telling etc. You may as well ask why forums such as this even exist.

 

[Kinyou]

I think it's clear that any minor skin tone change wasn't necessary and only brought this "issue" to light. Just being able to customize accessories like hair, headgear, eyewear and scars or something would have sufficed for what they were trying to accomplish. Is this the first CoD to have a customizable SP character in terms of animations and cutscenes?

Yes, which is also why some people were relatively excited. What they didn't make clear beforehand is that you're basically just picking between two pre-set characters.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

Really just a way to shout down discussion without having a point.

When the only argument you can come up with is pretty much cutting off discussion, you have no argument.

So basically what you want is only people who agree that it's a huge racial issue in this thread so you can all agree with each other and rail against the powers that be in unison.

Maybe you're on the wrong internet forum.

If you don't think its an issue, it would be nice to hear your case that isn't simply just, "I don't care" or "I don't see the big issue." I don't see how you are getting me wanting people to agree with me to stay in. There are 18 variations of a protag in the SP and they couldn't be bothered with making someone that wasn't white?

 

[RichiRamjag]

Haven't played the game so no idea.
I still don't see what that has to do with the fact that he is a fixed character.

Is there something particular about the character or personality of Nathan Drake that couldn't work if he was Black? Or Lara Croft if she was asian?



And Borderland 2 has both male and female characters which can be customized way more than these Cod characters (via the skins you find).

Was there also an outrage about not being able to play as black Maya or Indian Axton or Asian Salvador?

You're straw-manning, hard.

So basically what you want is only people who agree that it's a huge racial issue in this thread so you can all agree with each other and rail against the powers that be in unison.

Maybe you're on the wrong internet forum.

I don't see how taking issue with someone making a shit post about people crying equates to what you're describing. Folks don't have to agree, we could have a reasonable discussion similar to the way you've been posting.

 

[Sai-kun]

So basically what you want is only people who agree that it's a huge racial issue in this thread so you can all agree with each other and rail against the powers that be in unison.

Maybe you're on the wrong internet forum.

people posting in threads about fallout's graphics with 'who cares just play the game' wouldn't be received very kindly either. why is that kind of shitposting acceptable in race threads?

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Honest question- has there ever been a game that used performance capture that allowed you to change your race? I ask because I almost wonder if there is something contractual about it. Would an actor sign off on having you be able to change his skin color while keeping the same likeness?

 

[Principate]

Haven't played the game so no idea.
I still don't see what that has to do with the fact that he is a fixed character.

Is there something particular about the character or personality of Nathan Drake that couldn't work if he was Black? Or Lara Croft if she was asian?



And Borderland 2 has both male and female characters which can be customized way more than these Cod characters (via the skins you find).

Was there also an outrage about not being able to play as black Maya or Indian Axton or Asian Salvador?

Could you change the gender of those characters. Also this is a very weak argument, you literally stating because some people didn't complain or were even aware of such and such (I've never even played Borderlands and certainly wasn't aware of that) they can't complain ever. Think carefully about what your asking here.

 

[BMatt07]

I mean, if all you can do in this thread is tell people that all they are doing is crying because there isn't any people of color, you shouldn't be in the thread.

Same with the people just saying "I don't care and I am [non white ethnicity], and you shouldn't either."

But the thing is, there are different races portrayed in the multiplayer through the different specialty classes.

Disregard that however... RACISM!!!!

 

[TheFatMan]

Is this really where we have come to as a society? Where people are insulted because they can't play every race in every game?

I mean seriously? You are that easily insulted?

Sometimes I don't know what to make of this world.

 

[AHappyPanda]

I will never be satisfied until a developer lets me play as a post-op transgender who is also transracial because I turned from a white man to a white woman but identify with black culture.

Also, I demand all videogame coffee cups recognize Jesus Christ.

 

[Saint Gregory]

Good point. This was the largest disappointment for me, I didn't see the point of having the options there if they were going to be so basic. I've never complained about race or gender representation in a game before, but when I hear statements such as the one provided, I do enjoy making a character that's looks similar to myself.

I'm not outraged, I don't think treyarch are racists, or anything like that. There is room for discussion about the limited options and it annoys me that instead of discussing it, we get extreme comparisons about wanting to shoehorn more black people into Star Wars or told we're outraged...

This is what I see as well. It's like some people are actually angry that the issue is being raised. I don't even agree with the article after getting more info on the MP character customization but there's still nothing inherently wrong with raising the issue. Why would more options ever be a bad thing?

 

[GloriousBagel]

I finished the Black Ops 3 campaign last night, HUGE props to Treyarch. They did an amazing job of implementing female characters into the game. Why isn't anyone acknowledging this?

 

[Principate]

Is this really where we have come to as a society? Where people are insulted because they can't play every race in every game?

I mean seriously? You are that easily insulted?

Sometimes I don't know what to make of this world.

We're talking about options in a product you spend money on. If you want to continue that line thought you might as well say we shouldn't ever critique or make suggestions about any game ever

 

[Mael]

Is this really where we have come to as a society? Where people are insulted because they can't play every race in every game?

I mean seriously? You are that easily insulted?

Sometimes I don't know what to make of this world.

Why not? We have people who complain because they can't play games in 60 fps.
There's even a movement to tag games to point how they're not locked at 60 and shouldn't be played in an unoptimal situation.
Is missing fps or resolution a bigger issue than a large swath of the population not being represented in their entertainment?

 

[RichiRamjag]

This is what I see as well. It's like some people are actually angry that the issue is being raised. I don't even agree with the article after getting more info on the MP character customization but there's still nothing inherently wrong with raising the issue. Why would more options ever be a bad thing?

Exactly. It's a valid discussion in my opinion.

But the thing is, there are different races portrayed in the multiplayer through the different specialty classes.

Disregard that however... RACISM!!!!

Oh cut the shit. We're talking about campaign. Keep bringing up multiplayer in a thread with a title specifically regarding the campaign. No one is really crying racism either. There is a middle ground in this discussion and shit posts regarding extreme's don't make for enjoyable discussion. If you don't agree, that's fine, but no need act like a clown over it.

I finished the Black Ops 3 campaign last night, HUGE props to Treyarch. They did an amazing job of implementing female characters into the game. Why isn't anyone acknowledging this?

Many did, in the OT. At least I saw a post here and there about it.

 

[ultron87]

I finished the Black Ops 3 campaign last night, HUGE props to Treyarch. They did an amazing job of implementing female characters into the game. Why isn't anyone acknowledging this?

They did do a good job with that aspect. That doesn't mean that the topic of this thread shouldn't be discussed.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

But the thing is, there are different races portrayed in the multiplayer through the different specialty classes.

Disregard that however... RACISM!!!!

That is cool.

But we have a SP that doesn't when they took the time to have 9 versions of both genders.

And no one is saying it is racist. Cut that nonsense out.

 

[Burgess_101]

I don't think my background has ever been represented in a game, I think it's an interesting discussion to have but its impossible to represent everyone.

 

[SolidSnakex]

That is cool.

But we have a SP that doesn't when they took the time to have 9 versions of both genders.

It's 9 different versions of the exact same face. The only thing that changes is their skin tone (slightly) and their hair. The reason the face stays the same is because they're done through performance capture, so you can't alter the facial structure without ruining the results of the performance capture.

 

[hwalker84]

Should've just had one standard male and one standard female. If you get the option to "create" a character i have an expectation to be able to create someone of my race.

 

[GrayChild]

I will never be satisfied until a developer lets me play as a post-op transgender who is also transracial because I turned from a white man to a white woman but identify with black culture.

Also, I demand all videogame coffee cups recognize Jesus Christ.

This.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be off bitching about not being able to play as a heterosexual caucasian male character in Remember Me.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I don't think my background has ever been represented in a game, I think it's an interesting discussion to have but its impossible to represent everyone.

True, I just think many of us may have expected more options based on statements made before release. I'd never had an issue playing Soap or Price. Just thought we'd have some actual customizing to do this time around.

This.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be off bitching about not being able to play as a heterosexual caucasian male character in Remember Me.

Because we're all just "bitching" right? There is no other discussion to be had and how dare we bring it up?

 

[Two Words]

asinine argument...its different variations of 2 character models...the main character of the game happens to be a white person. This is a non issue, someone making a racial argument just for the sake of causing trouble.

Is Treyarch following some deep lore that requires a white protagonist? If you can make the character make of female and change their appearance, why is changing their race a problem?

 

[ChaoticBlue]

Is this really where we have come to as a society? Where people are insulted because they can't play every race in every game?

I mean seriously? You are that easily insulted?

Sometimes I don't know what to make of this world.

i don't know what to make of this world too when its 2015 we finally have a female character yet a person of color still can't be the main hero of a campaign in a video game.

 

[Slayven]

I don't think my background has ever been represented in a game, I think it's an interesting discussion to have but its impossible to represent everyone.

People who say that are nitpicking to stifle the conversation "Can't do a little person atheist moari lesbian, so just make them white"

You can paint with broad strokes and cover a lot of diversity just by having decent skin tone and hair selection.

 

[Vigilant Walrus]

My feelings on the matter is that character creation modes, is a terrific way for people to make a character that stands out, and also to make one that you can identify with. I didn't even know CODBO3 had this face-swap altering. I want to say to the devs (and devs of other games) please keep expanding this. I am tired of generic marine soldiers like we have been fed so much.

Maybe a developer can chim in over Twitter about if it would be possible to add some hispanic/asian/black character options for the single player. It's worth a shot!

 

[Fbh]

Could you change the gender of those characters. Also this is a very weak argument, you literally stating because some people didn't complain or were even aware of such and such (I've never even played Borderlands and certainly wasn't aware of that) they can't complain ever. Think carefully about what your asking here.

I'm not saying people can't complain about it.
I'm just saying I find it weird how plenty of games released/being released before and after this year have had fixed characters without there being an outrage about it but as soon as COD does it it's this big issue.

 

[Yaphett Kotto]

It's 9 different versions of the exact same face. The only thing that changes is their skin tone (slightly) and their hair. The reason the face stays the same is because they're done through performance capture, so you can't alter the facial structure without ruining the results of the performance capture.

It still doesn't excuse the lack of representation, though. They could have had six different faces of different races (three for both genders) and altered the skin tone and hair for all six.

 

[Sai-kun]

This.

Now if you excuse me, I'll be off bitching about not being able to play as a heterosexual caucasian male character in Remember Me.

yeah cuz straight white dudes are sooooo fuckin under and misrepresented right?

fuck outta here with that. save the trolling shit for reddit

 

[Numb]

I don't think my background has ever been represented in a game, I think it's an interesting discussion to have but its impossible to represent everyone.

Same but when even the basics aren't there....

 

[Principate]

I'm not saying people can't complain about it.
I'm just saying I find it weird how plenty of games released before and after this year have had fixed characters without there being an outrage about it but as soon as COD does it it's this big issue.

Yes it's weird, life is weird, not everyone thinks the exact same way. But hey don't you think that we would have even gotten, a female protagonist, something much harder to implement, if people didn't show that they cared.

 

[FF Seraphim]

I honestly don't care about the diversity of game characters unless it truly impacts the game play. I rather the developers spent said money on utilizing dedicated game servers. There are gameplay issues that need to be tackled before we start worrying about adding every race under the sun.

 

[pelican]

A complete over reaction. Aren't the player characters modeled on the voice actors?

 

[ultron87]

I'm not saying people can't complain about it.
I'm just saying I find it weird how plenty of games released/being released before and after this year have had fixed characters without there being an outrage about it but as soon as COD does it it's this big issue.

It stands out here because CoD doesn't present it as fixed characters. It's just like "choose gender" -> "here's some faces". Ta-da! There's your character we're going to refer as "player" for the rest of the game, because it is clearly a representation of you.

 

[RichiRamjag]

I'm not saying people can't complain about it.
I'm just saying I find it weird how plenty of games released/being released before and after this year have had fixed characters without there being an outrage about it but as soon as COD does it it's this big issue.

Because COD specifically had a customization mode they kept going on about before release and they went on about you being the hero this time.

I've never thought about it in a cod game before as you outright knew you're playing someone else.

 

[JDSN]

Activision realized that the more agressive parts of the progressive movement are mostly white people so all they gotta do is throw in a white woman and shit is so forward thinking that the Anitas of the world will give their seal of approval. The rest of the voices can be easily silenced by the media ignoring it and people boosting the signal of the supposed non-white people that find nothing wrong with this.


It was actually a pretty clever plan. Wasting money on slightly different skin tones like the original Deus Ex did a while ago is too hard when you got your fanboys willing to make silly excuses like wasting money on voice actors and animations, because american minorities talk and move in certain way.