notworksafe
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yeah it's a dude who's spent 10 years reporting on esports who happens to work for a site i don't like! fuck that, amirite!
The Game Awards jury lists only 2 women out of 32 jurors (sites selected jurors)
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yeah it's a dude who's spent 10 years reporting on esports who happens to work for a site i don't like! fuck that, amirite!
In the world? No. But in the enthusiast gaming community? Yeah I'm putting my money on vastly outnumbered.
I don't have anything but anecdotal evidence to back that but I've been playing online games since I first got a 56k modem and gaming for over a decade previous, and the common trend between all of it has been how it is always heavily dominated by males.
machemachete
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I just want good judges for the games, I don't care if its 50/50 or 0/100 or 80/20 if they are the best people available for the job, their gender is irrelevant.
What a ridiculous position for those guys that retired because they felt offended by the gender split.
What a ridiculous position for those guys that retired because they felt offended by the gender split.
It's not something that "happens" to be, he explicitly chooses to write for a site known for racist and sexist ideology along with lying through their teeth to conjure up a story.
Choosing to work for such a site is in itself bad and should be called out. Breitbart is racist trash and the less people are enabling (or defending) their hatred, the better the world is.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Ah. OT: To clarify, I've been looking at school/work stuff and it's just I feel that the reason the reason they might consciously pick me is because I am disabled and that I might be picked over someone who could do better than me. Then I'm just a token minority (well still a token minority anyway because how many workers are handicapped) wheelchair dude there to fill up the quota. However irrational, I still have this thought and it bothers me. Especially for something like colleges and stuff where everyone knows unofficially how gender/religion/disability/race factors in to one's entrance and chances. That's why I commented about the quota stuff.
notworksafe
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when it comes to writing about games for money, i can't blame someone who works for a bad site rather than be jobless.
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Offended?
And if gender is irrelevant to you, what's the problem with having more women then as long as they're competent?
Thursday War
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who the fuck cares
just judge the game and get over it
this is such a nonissue its funny
just judge the game and get over it
this is such a nonissue its funny
Shadoken
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The problem is far more deep rooted. Its not about competency , How many women major in computer science ? The problem starts right from childhood with the whole boyish vs girlish things/interests. Fixing something at the top with a quota system wont fix the societal root issues that are causing this in the first place.
How can you have a 50/50 system when there aren't even 50/50 interested applicants for the industry.
50% of women might like playing video games now , but are 50% of women interested in working there? Yes the industry does have plenty of issues with males not respecting females in the industry but i fail to see how a quota system will fix that.
It's baffling how you can extrapolate that from what I said. This kind of knee jerk, outrage mentality is the problem. No, I meant very clearly that it doesn't matter what your gender is, to split things up 50/50 just for the sake of it is stupid. The exact percentage either way is not what matters.
yeah let me contribute to creating revenue for a site that hurts people and tries by all means necessary to maintain an oppressive status quo. Fuck other people, I just want to earn money for writing about games.
As long as that guy works there, he should be called out for it.
Palette Swap
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Yeah, there's probably a great story as to why he's affiliated to Gamergate's media front.
notworksafe
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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That sounds very interesting. I have a really hard time imagining how that would be and I'd be really curious if there's any tangible and or traceable difference in your personality and mannerism to people brought up in a more "traditional" sense.
He's close the panelist would just need to be a bit older and it'd be just as old white and male
what makes me mad is on oil rigs that almost no woman works there.
The oil companys should be punished for that, and should be forced to make it a 50-50 gender job.
also mining-industry, there are so few woman in that so should be forced to have 50-50 there also.
garbage-collecting, its rare to see a woman there also.
hope this world gets more equal soon.
The oil companys should be punished for that, and should be forced to make it a 50-50 gender job.
also mining-industry, there are so few woman in that so should be forced to have 50-50 there also.
garbage-collecting, its rare to see a woman there also.
hope this world gets more equal soon.
Tinfoilhatsron
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Ah.
So is he currently writing or just a founder. If he hasn't written that much expect maybe in defense of his money-makers, it's possible he's just greedy. Which really doesn't excuse him that much. Of course going against one's business that they themselves founded doesn't exactly look good on a resume, but he could do better.
Dude is creating revenue for the site by giving them his labor. He is making revenue for them. He's complicit in a company known for e.g. this:
leandrochiarello
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The world is getting very, very boring.
You cant make or say almost anything anymore
People complain about everything...
How many fat guys are in the jury? How many asians? Women? Cats? Dogs? Elderly? Gays?
Soon someone will be complaining that the stage is grey and it should be purple because purple is not represented enough in games industry.
I dont mean to offend anyone but people must realize its just a freaking game award, start worrying with some valid stuff, help some people, do some community work and stop counting how many girls are voting for the best puzzle mobile game of the quarter.
Would it be better if it was 16/16 men/women? Maybe yes, maybe not, if someobe thinks the judges are not qualified or dont thrust the organization jusy ignore it and go on, play some fallout and spend your time being less cranky and making a huge fuzz on it.
You cant make or say almost anything anymore
People complain about everything...
How many fat guys are in the jury? How many asians? Women? Cats? Dogs? Elderly? Gays?
Soon someone will be complaining that the stage is grey and it should be purple because purple is not represented enough in games industry.
I dont mean to offend anyone but people must realize its just a freaking game award, start worrying with some valid stuff, help some people, do some community work and stop counting how many girls are voting for the best puzzle mobile game of the quarter.
Would it be better if it was 16/16 men/women? Maybe yes, maybe not, if someobe thinks the judges are not qualified or dont thrust the organization jusy ignore it and go on, play some fallout and spend your time being less cranky and making a huge fuzz on it.
Maybe if women and other people cared about how gender and sex affects the output of the work of a Miner, a Garbage Collector, and an Oil Rigger, then maybe your bullshit, tryhard analogy would work.
Try again boo boo
I think you're trying to be funny, but you're right, there should be. Unless you're implying women can't do those jobs.
machemachete
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I don't have any problem with having more women the same way that I don't a problem with the current ratio if each website decided its best reviewer based on whatever concept they chose. If they think that the reviewer they chose is the best for the job, lets stick with it.
notworksafe
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so no actual answer to my question? guess we'll agree to disagree. lewis is more than qualified to do the job required of him, regardless of the site he works for.
UnemployedVillain
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On one hand it's funny how hilariously skewed the gender ratio is, but on the other hand, what can Geoff even do? Sites/organizations were the ones who chose their reps from the sound of it and they did it independently of one another. He couldn't go calling for a quota, or saying "Random site x has to send a minority judge" could he? It's a tough problem and I haven't seen anyone in here propose a solution.
It's the type of issue that should be and very much CAN be solved when we're talking on the scale of hundreds of thousands of applicants and thousands of positions, but we're dealing with a pool probably in the hundreds at most and a dozen positions
It's the type of issue that should be and very much CAN be solved when we're talking on the scale of hundreds of thousands of applicants and thousands of positions, but we're dealing with a pool probably in the hundreds at most and a dozen positions
Miles Quaritch
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What's there to like about that garbage of a site?
Their racism? Their tendency to make up stories?
I already gave you the answer. Him contributing revenue and attracting viewers to the racist trash that is Breitbart is problematic. He chooses to help enabling the site and growing its viewership and revenue.
Nothing. He didn't do anything wrong. It does say a lot about the industry though.
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Not saying that him and his colleagues have done anything wrong or intentional. Everyone involved in the system along the decision-making process are not doing anything unfortunately, so we get the usual white dude thing. But at least do something
Familienoberhauptvogel
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I can't say I know that feeling but I know from personal experience that growing up and working with disabled people is a privilege.
The GA decided on the selection process. As you point out, the results are hilariously skewed. The conclusion must be that the method chosen by the GA wasn't very good.
There are many other ways to select a jury, they should go for one that doesn't produce a hilariously skewed composition.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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I don't visit the site (for obvious reasons), but I've heard they didn't used to be what they are now. However doesn't look like he's been there that long. Maybe a more respectable get to water down Milo and Lizzy F, two of Gamergate's biggest mouthpieces
He chose a method that produces these results:
Male jurors: 94 %
Female jurors: 6 %
He sure as hell didn't go for the right method.
BlastProcessing
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Of course.
Why is it that people who drop the phrase "outrage culture" so often seem to be angry?
Here is a thought experiment, go ahead and mentally swap your own gender. How would people treat you, friends, family, co-workers, bosses, teachers, people on the street, people in voice chat, people on reddit or gaf?
In an ideal world gender shouldn't matter; here in this one, it still, very much, does.
Apparently 2 of them
Seriously though, this highlights issues with the industry as a whole, not specifically the game awards
UnemployedVillain
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The sites chose their reps, or at least that's what I read somewhere in here. The only really way is if he/the GA simply chose WHO they wanted as reps as opposed to just WHERE they wanted them from.
Basically make the decision centralized where it's easy to control for diversity numbers as opposed to decentralized.
Some people have suggested choosing from places that aren't primarily white dudes which would pretty much rule out most places wouldn't it?
The GA chose that method. It wasn't a very good one.
Dice//
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SolicitorPirate
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I find it telling that posters here are citing competency as a defence when the issue of poor representation is brought up, while automatically assuming all the white guys involved are competent.
prag16
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Yeah. This seems like somebody's making a mountain out of a mole hill.
What are they supposed to do? Tell outlets, "but some of you have to choose women, minorities, or transgendered jurors."?
BlastProcessing
Member
So what you're saying might have happened is...
Amazing.
Sigh. Very problematic. Did they at least check there are a minimum of 4 overweight people among them? Fat shaming is a serious social issue too and I honestly hope they don't contribute to it with their lack of representation! I motion for some strict quotas being established for future selections. What's the height discrimination situation? Enough short ones in there? We need to go deep, stopping at binary gender diversity would be so, so shallow. Simply sending who you feel most qualified to give their opinions on some video games is so 2014; and newsflash, it's 2015 now! Ugh.
prag16
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Outstanding. I thought it was gonna be a serious post after the first three words. Got me good.
SolicitorPirate
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Yeah, because the nigh absence of any female voices in critical discourse is such a non-issue! C'mon man, we're not fucking ancient Greeks here.
You sound so smart.
The should do something that doesn't produce the following results:
Male jurors: 94%
Female jurors: 6%
Set up an independent committee that pick the judges or something. Do something else. There are more than one way of setting up a jury, and no one is forcing the GA to chose a method that produces ridiculous results.
Did you really just imply height and weight discrimination are non-issues? Wow.
travisbickle
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Wasn't there an article that wrote about women who change their pen name so they don't get online harassment for reviewing games? I'm sure there were a lot of women who didn't want to go.