Considering Pan is 4 in DBZ and it takes place 10 years after the fight with Buu, Pan would be 9ish around the original ending to DBZ going by Super - the ending to DBZ is pretty retconned.
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Considering Pan is 4 in DBZ and it takes place 10 years after the fight with Buu, Pan would be 9ish around the original ending to DBZ going by Super - the ending to DBZ is pretty retconned.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Unfortunate too! Goten rocking the Yamcha hair was pretty slick. So I guess uub is out too? But than he can't be because goku's wish should still be a thing
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Super still has the potential to go beyond End of Z at some point.
It better
ArchedThunder
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Blackleg-sanji1
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You sure? She seemed older than pan did and if we even look at gt..yes I know it's not canon wasn't she like in the teens and pan was 10?..idek anymore lol
Pan was born in 779, Bulla 780.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Yup was just checking. You know what messed me up....Gt go figure lol. Bulla looks way older than pan in that lol
Pan in GT probably just suffers from Goku and Chichi's dwarfism?
Blackleg-sanji1
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They even had grown men hitting on bulla in a episode tho lol another thing I just read also Funi apparently switched the ages and made them older pan was supposed to be 9 they made her 14.
Yeah they randomly upped the ages of everyone. I think they made it a 10 year skip to GT instead of 5.
foxuzamaki
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That reminds me, I remember everyone thinking goku and other Z fighters minus krillin were like 6'4 tall muscle dudes and then later in life find out that goku is like 5'8(which is average) and some people were extra disappointed cause they were taller than them haha
And Frieza in DBZ (in his final form) was shown to be about half Goku's height. Considering Vegeta is barely taller than Frieza, he must easily be in the low 5' range.
Honestly his hair is like a big red herring. I only realised how short Vegeta is recently.
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
Androids seemed short too.
Cell and Piccolo Daimao stay winning in the tall, imposing villain department
Super Buu too I suppose. He wasn't around for very long though
Cell and Piccolo Daimao stay winning in the tall, imposing villain department
Super Buu too I suppose. He wasn't around for very long though
What are you talking about?
Gohan is probably weaker than Goku as of BoG since he never trains. after every power up he gets weaker while goku gets stronger. And even if he were stronger than SSJ3 Goku still, he's still no match for even a tiny fraction of beerus's power.
Beerus, whis, golden frieza, goku, and vegeta are on a completely different plane of power from anyone else in the universe right now.
Beerus, whis, golden frieza, goku, and vegeta are on a completely different plane of power from anyone else in the universe right now.
18's actually a bit taller than Chi-chi and Bulma putting her probably around 5'6 I guess. 17's main fight is with Piccolo, so it would be easy for him to look short by comparison.
Piccolo's definitely the tallest though with him keeping his menacing height from being a villain.
NeonZ
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Nah, Piccolo is stronger than those two. Remember, when Gotenks ran out of time, Super Buu became Piccolo Buu, not Trunks Buu. Anyway, next episode will show on screen why they aren't going to fight.
Either way though, like I had mentioned before, Super taking place in the ten years gap pretty much kills Goten's and Trunks relevancy, because if they pretend to stick with the epilogue, those two eventually become slackers who didn't train much and can't ever get any stronger than Buu. Although I guess the main issue here is just Toriyama losing interest in them.
DiipuSurotu
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They can just retcon Bra into being the daughter of Tights or something.
Great point. Which kind of brings me to the whole strength level of those young Saiyans in general. They always felt a little weaker than the older Super Saiyans in the first form.
is this the real life
General_JGW
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can someone explain why the dragon wasn't able to resurrect freeza because he was 'chopped up too much" ... umm the dragon has revived people that have been blow the eff up, how does this even make sense?
Right now he's way weaker, but given that
Vegeta says Gohan still has the most potential of all of them, I think his reasoning is that god ki training combined with Gohan's own potential -- which, even after 7 years of doing nothing, still ended up being way stronger than SSJ3 Goku -- could result in the best fighter.
My take was that it wasn't so much as he's unable to (obviously he is able to since he did it), but that he was warning Sorbet that it would be pointless because it only would bring him back as a bunch of pieces. Which is when Tagoma says they can regenerate those pieces back together with their machine.
Kind of similar to when they try to revive Krillin after he was killed by Frieza and Namek blew up, and the dragon warned them against doing it because it would only revive Krillin in an unlivable environment (middle of outer space, no air, etc).
DiipuSurotu
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What Blader said or maybe he just didn't want to revive him and was making up excuses.
Sibersk Esto
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Shenlong has to be the most benevolent wish granting entity in all of fiction.
DiipuSurotu
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General_JGW
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yah but with krillin it was a geographical thing, he was blown to bits and yet he was still able to be revived in full physical from... freeza was killed and in pieces, but why should that mean he cant be revived in full physical form and not just pieces of him? everyone else was brought back in complete form
General_JGW
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in dragon didn't want tor revive him? hmm ok I guess that makes a little more sense
Host Samurai
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Fat Buus height is the most jarring. When he first arrived he was a damn giant and the video games reflected that with him being way taller than Cell. Now he's Mr Satans height.
Sibersk Esto
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Freeza is really durable
shadowsdarknes
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He will become a Super Namek like Lord Slug.
LordOfChaos
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Even aside from that questionable writing, could they not go
1) Wish back Freiza
2) Wish Freiza recovered?
Instead they thought so long that the Wonder Kids got ice cream.
Or, you know, if the dragon pulls them back from seconds before final death, can't they just ask for pre-slicing Freiza?
When Krillin was wished back, yeah, it was just a geographical thing. He didn't come back atomized. Nor did all the dead people of earth.
Hey, the eternal dragon hasn't shit his pants at Beerus yet in Super, has he? I forget what order that happened in in the movie.
1) Wish back Freiza
2) Wish Freiza recovered?
Instead they thought so long that the Wonder Kids got ice cream.
Or, you know, if the dragon pulls them back from seconds before final death, can't they just ask for pre-slicing Freiza?
When Krillin was wished back, yeah, it was just a geographical thing. He didn't come back atomized. Nor did all the dead people of earth.
only real answer is all the writing is by the seat of their pants
Hey, the eternal dragon hasn't shit his pants at Beerus yet in Super, has he? I forget what order that happened in in the movie.
BladeoftheImmortal
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No one has pmed me the new chapter.:-'(
He shit his pants back when they asked him how to become a super saiyin God
He shit his pants back when they asked him how to become a super saiyin God
Hikari_Ryu
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If I'm not wrong, you need to have a full body to be revived or else there's nowhere for your soul to return. After chiaotzu died a second time, they pointed out that Kami created a new body for his soul in order to be able to train with king kai and I'm guessing also so he could be resurrected. This seems to be an Earth limitation only, as Porunga was able to resurrect Krillin and all the humans when Kid Buu blew up the Earth.
NeonZ
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The characters used to worry about the conditions of the body when attempting to bring back people, up to the Saiyan Saga at least. When there's the mass revival in Namek, that gets ignored though. Afterwards, when bringing back Kuririn, Porunga mentions that putting his body together was a "special service" - and it's pretty much the last time it ever came up before Freeza's case here.
DragonSworne
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They needed an excuse to leave Earth. Tori couldn't think of a better one.
General_JGW
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Tien had his arm cut off fighting Nappa but when he was revived so was his arm... these excuses still don't make a lot of sense
BladeoftheImmortal
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I was being serious, though. Can someone with the leaked chapter tell me where to find it? Google is no help. I'd like to read it as well.
I can only find a summary of the chapter on the wikia, is that what everyone is quoting from?
I can only find a summary of the chapter on the wikia, is that what everyone is quoting from?
General_JGW
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lol yah pretty much
Kami or King Kai or someone rebuilt all the earthlings bodies and brought them into heaven (remember that's how Goku could train up there).
NeonZ
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Tenshinhan already had his arm back when he was going to train with North Kai. I don't think it's specifically said that Kamisama put it back together, but it's stated that he put Chaotzu's body back together in order for him to go with the others, so he presumably did the same for Tenshinhan too.
General_JGW
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fair enough
but ok, the fact that freeza's henchmen had a machine that put freeza back together in minutes, but it was beyond the Dragon's abilities? pffffft please
Yeah, it happened on the boat iirc.
It wasn't beyond his abilities, it would've just cost them a second wish.
General_JGW
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yet the dragon failed to mention that as they made this wish, If he could have done it he would have said "what you are asking will take up two wishes" not "I can only bring him back in pieces, so you prob don't wanna wish for this"
donkey show
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If you guys haven't heard the full version of the intro yet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-hUX4LkMXU
My gf and I never skip the intro. Too good.
New Shenron from Dende changed it all up.
My gf and I never skip the intro. Too good.
New Shenron from Dende changed it all up.
That's what I figured but I couldn't recall it ever being addressed directly
my theory on this is that 99.9999% of the people get reincarnated as someone else once their souls are cleaned up, and that takes around a year, so if you wait more than a year, chances are the soul will be in someone else's body, so by resurrecting them you'd be killing someone else and the dragon won't do that
this is backed up by Piccollo and Vegeta talking about resurrection just before Vegeta suiciding trying to kill Buu
but Freeza is a special case cause he is so evil he either cannot be cleaned up by the regular methods and needs years and years of cleaning, or he just was sent to hell forever
this would also mean that people like Goku, who were left to live in the afterlife with no reincarnation, could be revived by the dragon balls with no problem, but nobody thought of it cause they had already been told that there was a time limit
toriyama prolly just forgot, but this makes sense to me
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