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[Tuffty]

More like Koei looked at projected sales here in the West, shrugged, and moved on. Releasing games internationally is expensive so they must have thought it wasn't worth it from a business perspective. At the end of the day, if anyone here really is offended over the game because of the projection of women, they're not really going to stop the game from coming out even if Koei decided to.

The consumer isn't really losing out if the Asian version has an English setting. If the people out there really want it, they can get it. The tweets from PlayAsia look like the usual pandering to that specific crowd to attract more sales in a 'stick to those evil SJW's sense', the same way that was done with Hatred.

 

[Yabberwocky]

Jeez, that's depressing. Play-Asia was the first store I ever imported a game from, about seven years ago. DOAX3 is being advertised right on the main page, along with all its magnitude of pre-orders. You're so subtle with your intentions, Play-Asia!

I'm still baffled about this whole situation. As someone posted earlier, KT has released some creepy-ass games in English speaking countries, DOAX3 is fairly mellow in comparison.

 

[Oersted]

Sure. You can try to be proactive but it's impossible to appease everyone proactively. And if you simply disagree with someone, you can do that too, even in an offensive way

It is not about proactively appeasing to everyone. It is about warning what is about to follow.

See I don't think it's always "purposefully" (if it's purposeful, sure, you're being a jerk or a troll or whatever). You say how you feel and if that offends people, it's usually an after-effect. Hell, it's good to be offensive sometime. Great people have been offensive. It's good to offend the norm.
/QUOTE]

The conversation was not about being always purposefully an "asshole". It is about giving a warning when you know it is going to hurt.

But just because it's offensive doesn't mean you shouldn't say it/be allowed to say it/have to put a "warning" before you say it. At least in my opinion.

Depends on the society. You are not walking in a contextless void.

 

[Finalantagonist]

I don't think he's under any obligation not to offend you.

Right?

Bingo! Exactly!

He can state his point as offensively as he wants and I can request we keeping the discussion civil. Neither one of us should be chastised for saying "Fuck you, I'll respond how I want".

 

[Atwa]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.

The SJW thing was too much. Thats totally terrible PR. You have more catchy, decent and fair ways to grab attention. They could've just said "DoAX3 not coming to West ? Its still coming to You" and make it a better way to express how its a none issue thanks to their services.


But I feel like this tweet reflects less than PR and more of personal opinions.

Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

 

[CadetMahoney]

Tweets can get releases stopped but we can't rally any results against dlc,season passes,fallout 4. . .

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Bingo! Exactly!

He can state his point as offensively as he wants and I can request we keeping the discussion civil. Neither one of us should be chastised for saying "Fuck you, I'll respond how I want".

I am going to take a stab in the dark and guess you're a libertarian.

 

[Finalantagonist]

It is not about proactively appeasing to everyone. It is about warning what is about to follow.

And my opinion is that that is unnecessary. To me that's impossible to do effectively and for everyone.

 

[Klossen]

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/dead-or-alive-xtreme-2

It's all those dang SJWs who are causing this, not the fact the only market that's likely to buy the game are sad trash goblins who can't get exhentai to work right.

It's gotta be those feminists who ruin everything, and not the fact this particular brand, this spin-off of this series, is, at this point, in the minds of most, an exercise in how little work you have to do in terms of game design to try and justify looking at digital women wearing skimpy swimwear.

But, maybe I'm wrong, maybe the SJWs did actually cause this, because they're actively trying to prevent games such as these to be released outside of Japan. In which case : good. Get all of those games in the trash, where they belong.

What a condescending and spiteful post.

 

[GhostTrick]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.



Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

One follower isnt a sale.

 

[Finalantagonist]

I am going to take a stab in the dark and guess you're a libertarian.

Not at all, no. I lean more Democrat, if that matters. Pretty liberal if that wasn't obvious.

 

[dity]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.



Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

Is this a joke post?

 

[Tuffty]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now..

Where's the proof that the game isn't being released here because of SJW's? There a statement from Koei or Team Ninja? Look at all the costumes Team Ninja's put out for DOA5, you think this is the straw that broke the camels back?

 

[Soliloquy]

I'm not sure what is the problem? Don't seem like a big deal that it had to be over 20 pages. Let's face it, I thought no one was interested in that DOA Beach volleyball.

 

[Jintor]

Not at all, no. I lean more Democrat, if that matters. Pretty liberal if that wasn't obvious.

i get that you say i have the right to be offensive, but do you also possess the desire not to be a jackass? (not being mean, I understand rights, but just because you have rights doesn't mean you must exercise them, discretion is a key part of being a part of a society...)

i've really never understood the disdain people have for trigger warnings... it's like being mad someone says they have a cold...

 

[CadetMahoney]

what was so bad about this game again?

I saw screrenshots and it looked exactly like the previous games.

 

[Armigr]

EDIT: Actually, nevermind.

 

[Akibared]

What a condescending and spiteful post.

We really need less shit like that on here.

 

[NinjamicWZ]

Have you ever considered putting "sociopath" on your resume? Jesus fuck man, lmao.

You're using mental illness as a derisive term.

 

[InfiniteNine]

what was so bad about this game again?

I saw screrenshots and it looked exactly like the previous games.

No one really has a problem it is what's advertised which is cheesecake and the outrage P-A was tweeting about is non-existent. So they're just stirring up shit to egg on sales.

 

[Sai-kun]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.



Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

Lmao...source on the bolded?

And my opinion is that that is unnecessary. To me that's impossible to do effectively and for everyone.

Tbh this just makes you a jackass. Like, you don't have any experiences you'd rather not have brought up when talking with your friends? :/ I don't think anybody would argue that it's necessary at every twist and turn, but it's a nice and polite thing to do when you can scrounge up just a little effort. Do you, though.

What a condescending and spiteful post.

Lmao okay I'm here for this

Walk me through your thinking here

 

[ElNarez]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.



Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

You're absolutely right, if people enjoy it, it should totally come out, which is why we need to call out the cowardly play-asia, who cowtowed to the SJW menace by not carrying the Actual 100% Fully Featured For Real Rape Simulator Rapelay.

I mean, that's gotta be censorship, right?

Can't be just a business decision to not carry what's possibly the most actually evil and harmful video game ever made, which, in addition to being that, would sell to, maybe a dozen people tops.

Gotta be censorship, and nothing else.

 

[Oersted]

And my opinion is that that is unnecessary. To me that's impossible to do effectively and for everyone.

You comically miss the point yet again. You do not have to do it for everyone.

 

[Finalantagonist]

I think it depends on the context. If it's a game, movie, stand-up comic,

Spoiler

/v/

or something along those lines? I can see the annoyance with trigger warnings if you feel like people should be going into certain things knowing some stuff may hit close to home.

An articles on specialist sites geared towards victims of abuse is more likely to have PTSD-types who'd probably want some level of warning before they click into something that dredges up recent abuse. I think it's less the concept of triggers that annoy you and more the potential abuse of the concept in situations it isn't really needed.

Yeah, I agree. If you waltz into a PTSD forum with the express purpose to rile them up or start saying shit you KNOW will upset them and they've done nothing to you, you're a jackass. Having to stifle a joke on Twitter just on the off chance someone reading it might be offended even if it's clearly a joke gets a little murky tho.

 

[ponpo]

You're absolutely right, if people enjoy it, it should totally come out, which is why we need to call out the cowardly play-asia, who cowtowed to the SJW menace by not carrying the Actual 100% Fully Featured For Real Rape Simulator Rapelay.

I mean, that's gotta be censorship, right?

Can't be just a business decision to not carry what's possibly the most actually evil and harmful video game ever made, which, in addition to being that, would sell to, maybe a dozen people tops.

Gotta be censorship, and nothing else.

Please don't insult the innocence and angelic purity of Nyotengu by calling a game that she is in evil and harmful thank you.

 

[dity]

what was so bad about this game again?

I saw screrenshots and it looked exactly like the previous games.

Nothing, it's manufactured outrage aimed toward an outrage that didn't really happen. The most controversy there is orbits around the few people who claimed outrage is what stopped this game from happening in the west.

 

[Finalantagonist]

You comically miss the point yet again. You do not have to do it for everyone.

So you're saying only certain people get this special treatment? Who does and doesn't then? And who gets to decide who these people are?

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Please don't insult the innocence and angelic purity of Nyotengu by calling a game that she is in evil and harmful thank you.

Didn't they take out her wings

Maybe someone should be explaining that first

 

[Nanashrew]

This is just funny.

And people claim that SJW don't want to stop these types of games. Its actively trying to sabotage releases of games now.

Why not just ignore it and let the people that like these types of games play them? Gaming is big enough that there are games for everyone.

>muh damaging to womyn
Go join Jack Thompson you crazies. People have a clear distinction between fiction and real life.



Terrible PR? The play asia account has more followers now than it has ever had. Sudden influx.

You misunderstand. There was no pushback, no "SJW" influence at all. If you look around you will likely find no articles from sites talking about it, let alone find any articles talking negatively about it. not even here on GAF. It was unknown to many but niche circles who really wanted it.

Tecmo-Koei, or at least that social media person passed blame to others who had no idea of its existence when in reality, there was probably not enough fan demand for them to localize it like they were looking for. Tecmo-Koei has released plenty of fanservicy games this year alone as pointed out by Shocking Alberto in his post. Nothing and no one stopped these from happening.

Some other games Koei Tecmo published in America this year:

But the SJWs are keeping DOAX3 out because the context has changed so much.

 

[Jakten]

Agreed that it's nice, but it shouldn't be expected that everyone with a voice should and must consult others before they say something. Otherwise, that's policing how people talk which is a bad road and just plain silly, in my opinion. A majority of people in this world have experienced trauma in some way, shape, or form. Unfortunately, that doesn't give anyone the right to tell people what words they can or can't use, even when speaking to you. Besides, you can't say anything if you're trying not to offend anyone.

But that's a different argument that probably isn't suited for here. Nor will it probably get anywhere.

You don't know what a trigger warning is. Keyword here is WARNING. A trigger warning means you warn people that you are going to be an asshole ahead of time. You can still be an asshole all you want. It's not censorship or telling you what you can and cannot say, it's announcing what something is comprised of. Some people might want to hear what you have to say others won't. Similar things already surround you in your daily life literally everywhere. For instance health warnings for people who are pregnant or have weak hearts etc.

 

[Oersted]

So you're saying only certain people get this special treatment? Who does and doesn't then? And who gets to decide who these people are?

You are trolling, aren't you?

 

[Makki]

What a condescending and spiteful post.

Lol people so offended thanks to a tweet. ITT everyone gets their jimmies rustled because bikinis are demeaning!!!
In the meantime, give me more gore, violence and dismemberment yeahhhhh cause women sexuality has no place in America, thats what we fight the good fight for (dreailed a bit)

 

[Diodiablo]

I think that for the guys at Play-Asia this was the happiest moment since Sony announced region-free consoles.

 

[DAREALGUMMY]

So never playing this in that case. Don't care what they said, no official English version means no Tina.

 

[Soliloquy]

You misunderstand. There was no pushback, no "SJW" influence at all. If you look around you will likely find no articles from sites talking about it, let alone find any articles talking negatively about it.

Maybe because the game wasn't released yet not even in Japan, so there was nothing to get mad about yet.

 

[Acquiescence]

If this is some elaborate marketing scheme on Tecmo's part to garner more publicity for the game in the West, then it's working, If not, then grow a backbone for crying out loud! Games like this are getting released all the time now, from Senran Kagura to that zombie girl that whose name escapes me to a whole heap of fanservice-laden fare on the Vita. It's money on the table and they're passing on it because a minor backlash will rear its head?

OP is right, this is one way to lose business.

 

[Famassu]

I think you're just expected to be prepared to have your feelings hurt/offended/"triggered" by just being an adult living in the real world. You shouldn't have to provide for some particular trauma victims anymore than trauma victims should have to wear a label saying "I'm a victim. Please don't say these words to me.".

You can't be this dense. You clearly do not understand trigger warnings at all. Of course no one expects you to ask every person you meet if they have triggers and then be forced to act accordingly, but there are certain kinds of situations where you could NOT be a total dickwad in and take into account that not everyone can suppress their traumas so well that they aren't affected by discussions/imagery/etc. that touch the subject. It requires very little effort from someone, say, holding a public presentation to have a disclaimer where it warns about some potentially disturbing subjects being discussed or imagery being shown, yet it can save someone from being "triggered". It takes literally, like, 5 seconds to write a short disclaimer "warning: this disturbing subject will be discussed here" into a power point or something. It doesn't make someone a horrible person if they don't know to give trigger warnings, but if you think that you can take into account some people with traumas with a trigger warning, then I'm not sure why you wouldn't.

You can acknowledge beforehand that subjects like war & rape are traumatic and you should try to handle discussing them with some delicacy, no matter what the situation.

 

[SliceSabre]

End all be all is that people who don't like these games honestly don't want them to come out in the West regardless of the fact that there are other people that do want them.

"I don't like them so I don't want you to have them."

Such a childish attitude to have yet it is present throughout this thread.

 

[Finalantagonist]

i get that you say i have the right to be offensive, but do you also possess the desire not to be a jackass? (not being mean, I understand rights, but just because you have rights doesn't mean you must exercise them, discretion is a key part of being a part of a society...)

i've really never understood the disdain people have for trigger warnings... it's like being mad someone says they have a cold...

I don't think you're being mean

I think what makes a person a "jackass" is relative. I understand that what makes someone seem like a jackass to me might not to another person. Same thing of what makes ME seem like a jackass. I personally value free speech and thick skin more than I do filtering what I say. Just because I value it MORE doesn't mean I DON'T value filtering what I say AT ALL, just more.

So people will occasionally something that is offensive to one group of people but it may be something that needs to be said. Or it may be that that was the way they needed to express themselves. They're allowed to say it and other people are allowed to disagree. Neither one HAS to provide a warning first. They can just say what's on their mind.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

End all be all is that people who don't like these games honestly don't want them to come out in the West regardless of the fact that there are other people that do want them.

"I don't like them so I don't want you to have them."

Such a childish attitude to have yet it is present throughout this thread.

Can't you just import the Asia version, though

 

[Massive Duck. C.M.]

Maybe because the game wasn't released yet not even in Japan, so there was nothing to get mad about yet.

That's the funny thing, people are getting upset at imagined slights and literally manufactured controversy

 

[Finalantagonist]

You don't know what a trigger warning is. Keyword here is WARNING. A trigger warning means you warn people that you are going to be an asshole ahead of time. You can still be an asshole all you want. It's not censorship or telling you what you can and cannot say, it's announcing what something is comprised of. Some people might want to hear what you have to say others won't. Similar things already surround you in your daily life literally everywhere. For instance health warnings for people who are pregnant or have weak hearts etc.

I know what it is. And I still disagree. I don't think every person should provide a warning before they say something offensive.

 

[SliceSabre]

Can't you just import the Asia version, though

That isn't the point. Yes the game can be imported but as far as the other side is concerned the more inconvenient it is for one to obtain these games the better.

 

[oti]

Very smart play by Play-Asia. Getting a certain group of people who hate "what SJWs are doing to games!" and showing them they aren't afraid of "telling the truth". Gaining tons of pre-orders and sympathy on the way.

 

[Finalantagonist]

You are trolling, aren't you?

Nope. Honest question/opinion.

 

[dity]

I don't think you're being mean

I think what makes a person a "jackass" is relative. I understand that what makes someone seem like a jackass to me might not to another person. Same thing of what makes ME seem like a jackass. I personally value free speech and thick skin more than I do filtering what I say. Just because I value it MORE doesn't mean I DON'T value filtering what I say AT ALL, just more.

So people will occasionally something that is offensive to one group of people but it may be something that needs to be said. Or it may be that that was the way they needed to express themselves. They're allowed to say it and other people are allowed to disagree. Neither one HAS to provide a warning first. They can just say what's on their mind.

So, has there been anything that happened in your life that you'd rather not talk about?

 

[patapuf]

If this is some elaborate marketing scheme on Tecmo's part to garner more publicity for the game in the West, then it's working, If not, then grow a backbone for crying out loud! Games like this are getting released all the time now, from Senran Kagura to that zombie girl that whose name escapes me to a whole heap of fanservice-laden fare on the Vita. It's money on the table and they're passing on it because a minor backlash will rear its head?

OP is right, this is one way to lose business.

I'd be very surprised if Tecmo was afraid of bad press. Exept maybe for Marie Rose, there's nothing in that game they haven't done before or that would cause some kind of huge scandal.

The outrage over pure fanservice gmaes isn't even all that strong.

 

[Klossen]

End all be all is that people who don't like these games honestly don't want them to come out in the West regardless of the fact that there are other people that do want them.

"I don't like them so I don't want you to have them."

Such a childish attitude to have yet it is present throughout this thread.

There is some unintentional humor when many of the advocates of limiting these type of games also deny the consequences of their actions. You'd think they'd be more convincing of their cause considering how vocal some are.

 

[Palculator]

You're absolutely right, if people enjoy it, it should totally come out, which is why we need to call out the cowardly play-asia, who cowtowed to the SJW menace by not carrying the Actual 100% Fully Featured For Real Rape Simulator Rapelay.

I mean, that's gotta be censorship, right?

Can't be just a business decision to not carry what's possibly the most actually evil and harmful video game ever made, which, in addition to being that, would sell to, maybe a dozen people tops.

Gotta be censorship, and nothing else.

What a misguided post. Rapelay predates this whole internet tribal warfare and no one is criticising Play-Asia for not carrying DOAX3, because they specifically do have it on sale and have been the primary source for preorders here on NeoGAF. Nor is comparing DOAX3 to Rapelay in any way reasonable seeing as the localisation of the latter for the West would likely violate various obscenity regulations, whereas DOAX3 is just an innocuous fanservice game about girls frolicking about in bikinis.

 

[Oersted]

I know what it is. And I still disagree. I don't think every person should provide a warning before they say something offensive.

For someone knowing what it is, you were very good on missing the point. And again, it is not about everyone doing everytime.