Captain America: Civil War Trailer #1 Debut

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Something that I've wondered about Captain, re:Civil War comic arc --
Current Steve is depowered, right? BF taking the mantle... How did Steve recover from being shot and killed in the CW arc?
 
Put me on the camp of the "so was I" line not having as much of an impact when they've been colleagues who have faced fucked up shit together at best. They have never really been friendly. Hulk and Tony or Cap and Widow or Widow and Bullseye arrow dude are the friend groups in the Avengers.

Also yeah seems like during the fight scene that Tony is holding back or at the very least his power has been cut off. Or both. Doesn't seem like he's fighting at "I'm giving a fight to the hulk" capabilities.


And as others have said I'm disappointed that the ideologies portion of the fighting seems to be secondary to the husbando bucky portion.
 
Haines said:
Looked very grounded, awesome.

No idea why black panther is so hyped or who he is, but sure why not
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Think

Batman + Cap + king of the most technologically advanced country in the world.

Oh yeah, and he happens to be a black male. The last point still being an important issue in the modern world.
 
DonasaurusRex said:
One thing I would like to add to this is , with regards to Cap is a lot of people who weren't around during that time (all of us) who are US citizens or otherwise like to project our assumptions about that time onto Captain America. A few interviews with Joe Simon and Jack Kirby reveal the true climate of the nation the character was released into. A country that was over 60 percent against the war, with no standing army, and ranked 18th or so in the world military scene and just coming out of a Great Depression. Fully segregated , in most places legal to terrorize african americans with little or no legal action taken, in many cases it could be put in the newspaper what would happen. The country was divided in any way you wanna look at it.

Furthermore, this was a USA that pioneered the Eugenics movement that was adopted by Nazi Germany and carried out to its logical conclusion. The USA that had Adolf Hitler as Time man of the year a few years before we got into the war, that had arbitrary fitness and sterilization laws in almost all 50 states, which means Steven Rogers would've never been born had he been the 2nd or 3rd sickly child. This is a USA that allowed and watched violence for profit and sold money and funded Lennin, and Hitler even during the war. Yes that Bush was found guilty of funding the enemy while his son fought in WWII. We later elected two of his children into the office of the President (hey ...at this point even the Red Skull has been in US government)

When this character debuted with a star spangled hero punching hitler in the mouth it caused such an outrage Mayor Laguardia(yes the airport one) had to get police escort for Kirby and Simon due to the backlash from isolationist groups.

So while it may be the popular thing to assume Cap is a GO GO USA freedom bombs propaganda tool , he actually predates the war and was created as a polemic against Nazi Germany's polices on the value of human LIFE, leading up to USA's involvement in the war.

His appearance being purposely modeled after those stupid uberman posters (blond hair blue eyes) , his moral center being an extrapolation of rights being inalienable and SELF evident (not justified by men or governments inherent to all men), his fighting ability being the embodiment of a bad ass dude from kirby's neighborhood where you had to learn to fight (Apparently no one could beat him even if they ganged up on him), and his heart an embodiment of simon and kirby growing up hard where you had to hussle, post depression.

I think externally many have been inspired by Cap and the whole great patriotic hero archetype, but there is only one Steven Rogers who is a truly interesting creation by two of the all time greats in comics creators. Captain America..is Steven Rogers..when you take a second to think about that.


back to the hype.
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That's actually very interesting and makes the character a lot more likeable than walking-flag-man, thanks!
 
SPOILER:
I'm gonna guess that Feige is going to throw an audible. Tony is going to take the shot meant to kill Cap. Cap-Tony friendship redeemed and RDJ can be excused from Infinity War Part I so less use of his contract.
 
antispin said:
How did Steve recover from being shot and killed in the CW arc?
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You're better off not knowing, but if you really want to know: He wasn't shot with a normal bullet, it was a "time" bullet that sent him off through time for awhile.

Yeah.
 
JDMC13 said:
SPOILER:
I'm gonna guess that Feige is going to throw an audible. Tony is going to take the shot meant to kill Cap. Cap-Tony friendship redeemed and RDJ can be excused from Infinity War Part I so less use of his contract.
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How is your wild guessing a spoiler?
 
antispin said:
Something that I've wondered about Captain, re:Civil War comic arc --
Current Steve is depowered, right? BF taking the mantle... How did Steve recover from being shot and killed in the CW arc?
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in the post-civil War comics it was revealed that the gun that was used to "kill" steve was specially made to throw him through space-time and make him relive his failures repeatedly. He appeared to be near death and comatose but wasn't actually killed. The red skull had attempted to weaken him and take over his mind and body, rather than straight up kill him.
 
Watched the trailer a few more times, not great but enjoyable. If the movie is the same, I'm satisfied. I like the more serious tone, speaks to me more. And hopefully this won't be as shit as pretty much all other Marvel movies (2/3 exceptions) with all the forced jokes and whatnot (Tony's line about wanting to punch Cap's nice teeth is cringeworthy).

Also, get a better DP and composer. Their movies always look so boring and I can't remember a theme/soundtrack from any movie (the theme for the Avengers I remember but that is about it).
 
boiled goose said:
Seems fair to me. I really enjoyed avengers when I first watched it. I can rewatch other action movies tons of times, but Avengers was dead after 2 or 3 viewings.
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A huge part of the appeal with The Avengers was all of Phase 1 coming together successfully and seeing all these heroes fight on screen together. It's a film I really like, but I'm not sure how well it will hold the test of time, unlike The Winter Soldier or Guardians of the Galaxy. It also felt like a suitable end to the series of films and the closing of a chapter, while Age of Ultron isn't so neat and has to spend some time setting up other films.
 
Sinatar said:
You're better off not knowing, but if you really want to know:
He wasn't shot with a normal bullet, it was a "time" bullet that sent him off through time for awhile.

Yeah.
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Pai Pai Master said:
in the post-civil War comics it was revealed that the gun that was used to "kill" steve was specially made to throw him through space-time and make him relive his failures repeatedly. He appeared to be near death and comatose but wasn't actually killed. The red skull had attempted to weaken him and take over his mind and body, rather than straight up kill him.
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Oh. Oh. Hmm. Yeah. Glad I dodged that one.
 
Big Baybee said:
Super heroes, aliens, gods, robots.......but African scientists, you've gone too fucking far marvel!
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How long do you think Wakanda glorious history will exist in the MCU?

How will Marvel sell us this hidden Wakanda place somewhere in Africa, that has all the tech-marvels and latest Galaxy S20 phones when the MCU earth was rather 'real-world' based even in Cap:FA.
 
tbd said:
So it's 90 % Robert Downey Jr vs. Captain America and no Spiderman?

Hyped. /s
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Spider-Man will be in it a little.

It is a Captain America movie, don't know why anyone would be shocked that he's in for 90% of it, at least.
 
Pai Pai Master said:
This is what I'm banking on.
Cap is going to see that his prolonged resistance is just causing more problems, so will compromise and give himself up in order for Bucky to get a fair trial.

I don't think he'll be killed while in custody like in the comics. But he will essentially be taken out of action and the status of the Avengers will be in question until Thanos shows up.
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This is my guess, although
to give a twist, I guess someone would take the shot meant for him.
 
tbd said:
So it's 90 % Robert Downey Jr vs. Captain America and no Spiderman?

Hyped. /s
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They don't need to show Spider-Man. Maybe a brief tease so audiences know he's in the movie for extra ticket sales. I honestly wish they wouldn't release another trailer or tv spot. No need to spoil.
 
So hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyype. This is gonna sound funny to say, and I know we haven't seen the entire cast yet, but I love how the trailer felt exactly like a proper Captain America sequel and not an Avengers sequel. It just seems more low scale that a global threat.
 
I'll throw out that I bet the Winter Soldier did something bad in Wakanda in the past.

I want to see how they made the shot of Bucky running up and onto the moving car.
 
y2dvd said:
So hyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyype. This is gonna sound funny to say, and I know we haven't seen the entire cast yet, but I love how the trailer felt exactly like a proper Captain America sequel and not an Avengers sequel. It just seems more low scale that a global threat.
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Always had faith that the Russos would make sure this is a captain America movie first and foremost.

This is the sequel to The Winter Soldier, not "Avengers 2.5" like people kept spouting
 
INST said:
Watched the trailer a few more times, not great but enjoyable. If the movie is the same, I'm satisfied. I like the more serious tone, speaks to me more. And hopefully this won't be as shit as pretty much all other Marvel movies (2/3 exceptions) with all the forced jokes and whatnot (Tony's line about wanting to punch Cap's nice teeth is cringeworthy).

Also, get a better DP and composer. Their movies always look so boring and I can't remember a theme/soundtrack from any movie (the theme for the Avengers I remember but that is about it).
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Like pulling teeth. Just don't watch em if you find them so underwhelming.

I'll never understand why so many people on this board spend their free time with media they know they won't particularly enjoy.
 
Everyone asking where Spidey is... Come on. We all know that there will be a second trailer, probably airing during the Superbowl... and it will have the Spider-man tease sure to make people lose their minds. :-p
 
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