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[Newtype-001]

The thing is combat isn't even servicible, it's just blegghhh, below average, below skyrim. At least the game makes up for it in other aspects, it really beautiful world that feels very alive, i stuck with it till the end and I think you should too.

Not sure why people are trying to take a dump on Bloodborne to try make themselves feel better about the witcher 3.

 

[leng jai]

I'm going through my third play through now and I have to say the combat never truly clicked or became fun. It's just tedious.

 

[OverturePT]

Not sure why people are trying to take a dump on Bloodborne to try make themselves feel better about the witcher 3.

lol

And vice versa?

 

[Replicant]

I certainly prefer Fallout 4 if I compare it to another RPG. I'm new to both franchise so it's interesting to realise this. Maybe it's the setting (I'm not fond of medieval setting) but I also know what OP means. Money is especially problematic.

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

The only part that actually sucks is the hand to hand combat in the Witcher 3. Like holy shit it sucks donkey balls. When you're indoors and fight multiple enemies the combat becomes horrendous. Add that to the fact that I played on Death March and I raged for days.

 

[bobawesome]

Yet you like bloodborne? a game that only does one thing, and tricks you into thinking that your leveling matters and scales with you? and yet most kids are too stupid to realize it?

I love how people try to compare the ONE thing BloodBorne focuses on, and IGNORE everything The Witcher does that bloodborne doesn't. It's as if the majority of society values running around and hitting things rather than actually having a robust game. but that's not surprising.

If i had to give my cousins form compton a choice between the witcher 3 and Bloodbrone, they'd choose BB every time. which allows you to think less and hit more? bloodborne.



The combat isn't what should excite you about the Witcher 3.

Not that I'm conceding that it's shit, because it really isn't, But I've seen LOADS of these erm....""gamers"" that are terrible at controlling the game. I'm not surprised that everyone thinks the nice and simple mechanics of the souls series are dope lol.

I have a mental image of you shaking uncontrollably as tears stream down your face while typing this. Relax, people are allowed to have different opinions about a game. Nobody is beneath you for liking one game more than another, and you're not above them.

 

[Terbinator]

...

Dude, calm down.

 

[EatChildren]

I remember having this gruelling 1-on-1 duel with a random elemental golem I'd found guarding treasure in this clearing of grass atop a mountain. It was several levels higher than me. Even prepped with the right oil and my own decent gear, I was doing slow chip damage to this beast that could wipe me out in 3 - 4 hits. I engaged the battle at night, and under the moonlight began a slow, methodical, paced game of Yrden traps, Quen buffer, and circle strafing this monstrosity to land critical hits on its back, all the while attentively long rolling out the way of its charge run and area slam attacks. I'd healed so many times in battle I'd depleted my entire upgraded health potion resource, and the fight itself took so long that the in-game sun began to rise and the fight climaxed with me finally dropping the golem in a shower of orange golden rays seeping over distant mountains and trees.

It was glorious, and these highs are what make the combat enjoyment.

 

[Jolkien]

I feel like I played a different game from people who complains about gold. I was at the 60k cap for the longest time.

I was happy the DLC make you spend a boatload.

 

[Newtype-001]

lol

And vice versa?

I don't see it or must have missed it.

 

[Karl Hawk]

The only part that actually sucks is the hand to hand combat in the Witcher 3. Like holy shit it sucks donkey balls. When you're indoors and fight multiple enemies the combat becomes horrendous. Add that to the fact that I played on Death March and I raged for days.

Huh.... I feel like I'm only the few who didn't have frustrations with fistfighting. Then again, I frequently use counterattacks, so maybe that's why

 

[nubbe]

The only part that actually sucks is the hand to hand combat in the Witcher 3. Like holy shit it sucks donkey balls. When you're indoors and fight multiple enemies the combat becomes horrendous. Add that to the fact that I played on Death March and I raged for days.

Hmmm.. I think h2h is the easiest part

Can easily take on several levels above me

 

[lolosgolos]

The combat doesn't suck. It's people used to mindless combat. You need preparation in the Witcher and it gets better with every upgrade path you take.

Plus the characters mouths in from software games don't move. Irritates the shit out of Me. Whatever everybody got preferences

 

[johnnydrama]

I remember having this gruelling 1-on-1 duel with a random elemental golem I'd found guarding treasure in this clearing of grass atop a mountain. It was several levels higher than me. Even prepped with the right oil and my own decent gear, I was doing slow chip damage to this beast that could wipe me out in 3 - 4 hits. I engaged the battle at night, and under the moonlight began a slow, methodical, paced game of Yrden traps, Quen buffer, and circle strafing this monstrosity to land critical hits on its back, all the while attentively long rolling out the way of its charge run and area slam attacks. I'd healed so many times in battle I'd depleted my entire upgraded health potion resource, and the fight itself took so long that the in-game sun began to rise and the fight climaxed with me finally dropping the golem in a shower of orange golden rays seeping over distant mountains and trees.

It was glorious, and these highs are what make the combat enjoyment.

This right here. I have dozens of such stories from my 130 hour long playthrough. So many fun memories with that game. I don't think I've played another game that's as immersive and memorable.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

you're more impressed with a level design system that recycles alot of resources and utilizes alot of backtracking to give the illusion of scale? and do you like RPG's? then how do you feel about someone grinding to level 170 and someone being about level 85 and the game being about the same difficulty for both people? that's bloodborne. that's NOT an RPG.

if you DO like RPG's , then how in the flyng FUCK do you not appreciate the first game in for fucking ever that truly does not level scale? an open world in which loot is actually various, and enemies and quests can be much higher level than you, and those quests are also lovingly crafted and not procedural generated? how can a true RPG fan ignore that in favor of bloodborne, or even COMPARE it?

No need to shout.

Some people like different things. Yes, I like actual level design where everything is connected in smart ways to open worlds (like a Metroidvania, backtracking included), which ultimately start to bore the shit out of me, one of the reasons GTA does little to me. Size doesn't matter. Just like I love the subtle way it tells its story. Hardly any cut-scenes and just tons of pieces of the puzzle you have to piece together.

I'm not even sure which point you are trying to make about level scaling to be fair.

Look, I'm not attacking you for prefering one game over the other, but surely that works both ways?

 

[WhiskerFrisker]

Huh.... I feel like I'm only the few who didn't have frustrations with fistfighting. Then again, I frequently use counterattacks, so maybe that's why

Why are you insinuating that I didn't use counterattacks? The hitboxes during hand to hand combat is stupid until Geralt gets an upgrade for more invincibility frames. And the camera doesn't flow at all with Geralt which makes fighting multiple enemies at once tedious.

Hmmm.. I think h2h is the easiest part

Can easily take on several levels above me

It's manageable during 1v1 situation like fight tournaments.

 

[Gh0stlyMostly]

The thing is combat isn't even servicible, it's just blegghhh, below average, below skyrim. At least the game makes up for it in other aspects, it really beautiful world that feels very alive, i stuck with it till the end and I think you should too.

Not sure why people are trying to take a dump on Bloodborne to try make themselves feel better about the witcher 3.

because The Witcher 3 is a better overall game than BB. are you serious?

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

It's also certainly not a better RPG, or do we not care about RPG's anymore?

 

[Karl Hawk]

Why are you insinuating that I didn't use counterattacks? The hitboxes during hand to hand combat is stupid until Geralt gets an upgrade for more invincibility frames. And the camera doesn't flow at all with Geralt which makes fighting multiple enemies at once tedious.

It's manageable during 1v1 situation like fight tournaments.

I didn't accuse you of anything, mate. Its been a few weeks since the last time I played the game, so my memory might be hazy *shrugs*

 

[Newtype-001]

you're more impressed with a level design system that recycles alot of resources and utilizes alot of backtracking to give the illusion of scale? and do you like RPG's? then how do you feel about someone grinding to level 170 and someone being about level 85 and the game being about the same difficulty for both people? that's bloodborne. that's NOT an RPG.

if you DO like RPG's , then how in the flyng FUCK do you not appreciate the first game in for fucking ever that truly does not level scale? an open world in which loot is actually various, and enemies and quests can be much higher level than you, and those quests are also lovingly crafted and not procedural generated? how can a true RPG fan ignore that in favor of bloodborne, or even COMPARE it?

Lmao

 

[johnnydrama]

because The Witcher 3 is a better overall game than BB. are you serious?

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

It's also certainly not a better RPG, or do we not care about RPG's anymore?

Dude, take it easy. There are people out there who prefer Bloodborne to The Witcher 3 and vice-versa, and that's perfectly okay.

 

[Super Stardust]

I think you just played way too much bloodborne. Combat in the witcher games isnt great but its not bad, it just has a learning curve because its pretty different.

 

[Dremark]

I think I hate Ted Koppel.

Spoiler

No, wait. I find him informative and witty.

 

[Ratrat]

Sadly, I agree. Well, I dont hate it, but its really not somethig I'm enjoying. The combat is god awful even without making comparisons and the story hasn't been interesting so far.

What is with people comparing The Witcher 3 with Bloodborne? It happened in the OT too back when the game came out, and it makes no sense. If you went into The Witcher 3 with the expectation that you'd be getting a fast paced combat experience like in Bloodborne, then that's more your fault than it is the game's.

Didn't CDProjekt say it was partially inspired by Souls combat?

 

[MattKeil]

People who think the combat in The Witcher 3 is "terrible" need to play games with actual terrible combat systems. It's a great combat system if you know how to use it properly. Bloodborne/Dark Souls' combat is obviously better, but The Witcher 3 is not trying to be those games, so the comparison is fairly silly.

 

[Gh0stlyMostly]

I have a mental image of you shaking uncontrollably as tears stream down your face while typing this. Relax, people are allowed to have different opinions about a game. Nobody is beneath you for liking one game more than another, and you're not above them.

right, a few caps for emphasis dismiss my point entirely,

lol anyway, "Opinions" also need to be defended, that's the crux of a discussion. there seems to be trend of people who seem to think they can post a half ass thought, and can't get questioned on it here.

At least amongst my rant, I posted reasons as to WHY the particular statements i disagreed with were false. i can't seem to get a valid retort back...and this happens consistently.

"BB is better because of the combat" is statement my 12 year old brother would make. I expect 20 somethings and older to be able to elaborate on why something is 'better" overall

 

[plasmawave]

Didn't CDProjekt say it was partially inspired by Souls combat?

Yes they did.
I wanna ask them which part of the combat cuz it plays nothing like the souls games.

 

[Yasae]

People who think the combat in The Witcher 3 is "terrible" need to play games with actual terrible combat systems. It's a great combat system if you know how to use it properly. Bloodborne/Dark Souls' combat is obviously better, but The Witcher 3 is not trying to be those games, so the comparison is fairly silly.

It's true. They think TW3 combat is awful yet they haven't played Gothic. Or Morrowind. Or Fable.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

because The Witcher 3 is a better overall game than BB. are you serious?

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

Not for everybody it isn't. And screaming certainly doesn't give your meaning more weight.

Combat is as valid a reason as any, as it's a major gameplay cornerstone. To others it could be level design, setting, lore, music, whatever.

People like different things. OP explained why TW wasn't for him after BB and that's as valid a reason as you prefering other things.

No need to act like a rabid dog because of it.

 

[Gh0stlyMostly]

Dude, take it easy. There are people out there who prefer Bloodborne to The Witcher 3 and vice-versa, and that's perfectly okay.

that's fine, then explain why. acting as if no one can refute a statement made inhibits the point of a forum, which is discussion.

I'm asking QUESTIONS in my posts, I'm INVITING a retort. If everyone here is that passive aggressive, that arguing is "scary" then maybe i'm in the wrong place.

 

[Christhor]

At least the Bloody Baron questline was amazing. No other questline in the game could even compare.

 

[KaoteK]

From ruining gaming has become a fact of life OP, nothing to be done about it...

That said I love Witcher 3

Spoiler

just nowhere near as much as I love Bloodborne

 

[vocab]

Yes they did.
I wanna ask them which part of the combat cuz it plays nothing like the souls games.

Probably the part where 100 dudes bum rush you and you cant fight back just like SOTFS

Spoiler

ayyy

It's true. They think TW3 combat is awful yet they haven't played Gothic. Or Morrowind. Or Fable.

Heh. I actually like the Gothic 1 + 2 combat. But I laugh because other people havent played it either. Theyd get their shit kicked in and blame the combat.

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

The lore is deeper. You just don't understand. YOU JUST DONT UNDERSTAND GOD DAMNIT

 

[HK-47]

I don't see it or must have missed it.

You dont visit many Witcher threads then or WRPG threads in general.

 

[nubbe]

The problem is like when they throw 4-5 drowners at you, you don't really gave the tools to handle it at the start

A lvl 1 drowned is harder than a lvl 20 troll because drowned are so damn agile

 

[Ratrat]

People who think the combat in The Witcher 3 is "terrible" need to play games with actual terrible combat systems. It's a great combat system if you know how to use it properly. Bloodborne/Dark Souls' combat is obviously better, but The Witcher 3 is not trying to be those games, so the comparison is fairly silly.

CDProjekt game designer

Reacting to one tweet, Monnier revealed his regard for the Dark Souls combat system and why it had become a big influence for the Wild Hunt.

'What do you, as a game designer, think of the Dark Souls combat system? Would it work with the Witcher?'

He wrote: "I love it, ours is similar in fact. Responsive, fast. Big influence for sure."

Hell, they were being influenced by Demons Souls for Witcher 2.

 

[M.W.]

I think I hate MGSV


It's ok OP

 

[Gh0stlyMostly]

Lmao

yet another attempt to avoid a retort lol

I like BB Btw, playing old hunters as we speak, i'm level....200 or so? (which is more than most people on their first NG+)

i just understand what it is, and what it isn't...

 

[piccolo85]

I am going to say it: I actually like the combat of the Witcher 3!! I started the Witcher 3 just after I finished Bloodbourne and told myself: "I just finished Bloodbourne so I should play this on death marches difficulty". I liked that you really had to manage your euipment, utilize the right oils, potions and signs for the right enemies. I felt like Geralt from the books and loved every minute of it! The story and world are second to none. I love how every sidequest has meaning to it, is crafted with so much attention to detail and just feels rooted inside the world. In Bloodbourne I had no idea what the f*** is going on the whole time. It really bugged me that the story is so obscure. Bloodbourne I only finished because the gameplay was so brilliant and I really dig the artstyle.

 

[Chaos2Frozen]

that's fine, then explain why. acting as if no one can refute a statement made inhibits the point of a forum, which is discussion.

I'm asking QUESTIONS in my posts, I'm INVITING a retort. If everyone here is that passive aggressive, that arguing is "scary" then maybe i'm in the wrong place.

When you're behaving like a raging fanboy beating his chest, people tend to not want to bother with you.

 

[Newtype-001]

because The Witcher 3 is a better overall game than BB. are you serious?

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

It's also certainly not a better RPG, or do we not care about RPG's anymore?

Blooborne has
better gameplay
World design
Level design
Art direction
Way more variety in enemies
Way More interesting lore
Way better balanced

Those are obviously opinion's right and guess what I can have them the same way you can have yours, stop getting so offended when people disagree.

Spoiler

It is a better rpg

 

[Omotesando]

I feel like I played a different game from people who complains about gold. I was at the 60k cap for the longest time.

I was happy the DLC make you spend a boatload.

CDPR have utterly failed in creating a BALANCED experience. The combat is servicecable if the rpg elements were done right in creating a right balance between progress, difficulty and loot. Reading these posts I personally can see how someone dislikes it and why someone likes it. There were a few figths in the game I actually enjoyed, but like most western rpg's, that sense of enjoyment fades the longer you play the game and in the end you end up hating it.

The game has frustrated me with gold problems, which I actually liked if the gold gathering would have been done better, then it frustrated me when the gold actually isn't an issue anymore after you notice that at a certain point it is totally useless and you can buy anything you want.. The game frustrated me when I get one punched by a common forest dweller and at the same time I Ignis a ''difficult'' boss with three burst and get the loot totally wrecking my sense of progress in the game.

If you have a high tolerance for these issues, you might find the game even enjoyable. If you like the RPG being an RPG and being a bit autistic about it, you could write a book about it flaws.

 

[Vex_]

Nothing else matters if the game ain't fun to play. Op, I agree with you.

I'll take it a step further: this game got away with murder in regards to review scores.

When the game launched there were numerous quest bugs, rain that slowed the game down to low 20s in fps, and the swamps and big towns were worse.

They did a good job with sidequests --that shocked me, but that was it. The actual game is mediocre, and the overarching story is weak. It just did not grab me. Heck the side quest storylines are better than the main quests.

And to fucking top it off!!!!??? The combat. I'm not even a bloodborne fan like that, but damn! They need help. Cdprojekt red needs to hire someone from outside of their studios to get on that. Outsource that shit if you have to. There is no way in hell it could be worse than what they currently have.

...in my opinion. *bows*

Thanks.

 

[plasmawave]

right, a few caps for emphasis dismiss my point entirely,

lol anyway, "Opinions" also need to be defended, that's the crux of a discussion. there seems to be trend of people who seem to think they can post a half ass thought, and can't get questioned on it here.

At least amongst my rant, I posted reasons as to WHY the particular statements i disagreed with were false. i can't seem to get a valid retort back...and this happens consistently.

"BB is better because of the combat" is statement my 12 year old brother would make. I expect 20 somethings and older to be able to elaborate on why something is 'better" overall

No, you haven't. Go back and read your "argument".

Yet you like bloodborne? a game that only does one thing, and tricks you into thinking that your leveling matters and scales with you? and yet most kids are too stupid to realize it?

I'm not surprised that everyone thinks the nice and simple mechanics of the souls series are dope lol.

Explain why this much more robust game is worse than this simplistic game that utilizes much of the same tropes as the last 3 games?

Bloodborne isn't even an RPG though lol it's an RPG Lite with level scaling and no story nor diversity.

essentially all you value is running around and hitting shit. Saying BB is "better" because of the combat is something a simple person would say. and you aren't simple are you? then know the values of each game. and if you don't value true RPG elements, quests, and storytelling then that will tell us all we need to know about you as a gamer

people are biased, and the witcher 3 is a huge threat to bloodborne.


this is like comparing the quality of uncharted 2 to Modern Warfare 2...

people seem to like following the..bandwagon rather than loving impressive games.

you're more impressed with a level design system that recycles alot of resources and utilizes alot of backtracking to give the illusion of scale? and do you like RPG's? then how do you feel about someone grinding to level 170 and someone being about level 85 and the game being about the same difficulty for both people? that's bloodborne. that's NOT an RPG.

because The Witcher 3 is a better overall game than BB. are you serious?

please give me a reason why BB is better outside of "derp, I like the way i hit things better in BB"

Great argument there.

 

[Staf]

Probably my GOTY. The combat is meh, i prefer turned-based or RtwP, but what really sells me on the game are the quests. One of the few games where it feels like the same amount of thought and effort was put into the side-quests as the main quests. The writing is also superb, Obsidian class.

 

[Mr.Fletcher]

I think the combat in The Witcher is much better than many give it credit for.

There's real diversity in the battle system when you factor in different enemy types, oils and upgradable signs which can completely change how you tackle a fight.

That's not to say it's the best but it's a gross misrepresentation to say it's anything less than average in my opinion.


But honestly, this is an absolute nonsense thread. It's a good job we don't have threads every time a game isn't clicking with someone...

 

[tbd]

Edit: Nvm.

 

[Magic Mushroom]

yet another attempt to avoid a retort lol

I like BB Btw, playing old hunters as we speak, i'm level....200 or so? (which is more than most people on their first NG+)

i just understand what it is, and what it isn't...

Wait, level 200 on your first NG+? Are you grinding your way through the game or what? I'm near NG+++ and still have some way to go to reach 200.

 

[Vulcano's assistant]

There were a few figths in the game I actually enjoyed, but like most western rpg's, that sense of enjoyment fades the longer you play the game and in the end you end up hating it.

.

Combat in wrpgs always gets better over time as built starts to make sense and suck the most early in the game. I mean, a sorcerer is really not much of a sorcerer until quite higher levels in most cases.

 

[Gh0stlyMostly]

Yes they did.
I wanna ask them which part of the combat cuz it plays nothing like the souls games.

swordplay in BB plays very similarly to swordplay in the witcher 3. (notice i said "sword")

strafe lock-on, dodge, strong attack, and light attack.

that's basically the same foundation as BB. you can theoretically play it the same way.

I.E. hold parry stance, strafe, wait for enemy attack animation, dodge, and attack.

it really shouldn't be that difficult of a transition for many of you, but apparently people go full potato when playing the witcher?

 

[Vex_]

Fist fighting was actually fun. Doing that sidequest where you had to be the champion was dope. I actually looked forward to that.

Looking back, the minigames (races, fighting, Gwent) were all fun for me. But smh, that ain't why you play a game.