Flow-Walker
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Han basically mentors him.
I wouldn't be shocked if Finn takes on the Solo name just to honor Han after he dies.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Han basically mentors him.
I wouldn't be shocked if Finn takes on the Solo name just to honor Han after he dies.
BronsonLee
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I love it
Bobby Roberts
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FALSE CREED
BronsonLee
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TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
I think that they'll either hint at it in the beginning of TFA (while he's still a Stormtrooper) or save the answer for later movies.
So the son of the man who hated sand cause it's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere is bathing in sand.
It fucking rhymes.
thecouncil
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AlphaDragoon
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I want this too. I'm fine with Rey being a Jedi as it's awesome that there's a female main character Jedi in this series. But I also want Finn to be one also really, really bad.
Plasticine
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Based on what we've seen at least Finn seems to be very attracted to the idea and using a lightsaber.
Hell if he was force sensitive it would just be awesome seeing him use that to help in intense moments. Not even be a jedi.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Billy Dee was the best thing about The Lego Movie. Yes, please.
illmatic22
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Same. I want my POC Jedi. (Yeah, yeah, Mace was cool and all but was just a supporting role)
I'm surprised fans took the knowledge that Han and Leia weren't together/married so well early on.
I mean, so many of them were upset at the idea of Luke being an Obi Wan like hermit/isolationist.
The idea that the events that took place at the temple massacre caused the trinity to split/tear themselves apart made sense to me.
I mean, so many of them were upset at the idea of Luke being an Obi Wan like hermit/isolationist.
The idea that the events that took place at the temple massacre caused the trinity to split/tear themselves apart made sense to me.
bengraven
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He should at least teach him how to dress.
Goddamn I want that cloak.
Kitschkraft
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Although, it does seem as though Han passes his particular torch to Finn in this movie, I said a few pages back that I expect Leia to mentor him in the next one. I'd love to see him with FS (I don't care if he becomes an actual "Jedi", that's just a career path to me), but the lack of any "special" label in the shotlist seems to be ruling that out right now.
Further on arch-types....I'm fine with this one being more nostalgia/call-back focused. Seems to make the most sense in regards to pleasing old fans while also introducing the new characters. Honestly, Rey/Finn/Poe all seem to have mixed call-backs anyways. Rey does some Luke shit, but also pilots the falcon. Finn might be the "everyman" like Han, but he's also getting pretty good on those gun turrets like Luke (And he does use the lightsaber for most of the movie, even if he doesn't end up owning it). Poe is a great pilot like Han/Luke, but also a loyal revolutionary like Leia.
With that in mind, it's a good time for me to add that I'm, at the very least, expecting some heavy deconstruction throughout the last two movies. Characters turning dark where Luke didn't. Massive Resistance plans FAILING even though it seemed like everything the Rebels ever attempted worked. Characters you think are going to sell people out like Lando, but are actually loyal and don't. Etc.
And honestly, based on the shotlist/synopsis...I'm kinda feeling like that well is going to have to run dry anways. They seem to have (rightfully) placed a LOT of recognizable themes into this movie. Characters, geographical locations (I love that we get desert, snow, and forest in this), plots, etc. Sure, we should probably be expecting some cool Rey/Luke training sequences, but aside from that, I'd be happy with Ep.8/9 branching off.
Further on arch-types....I'm fine with this one being more nostalgia/call-back focused. Seems to make the most sense in regards to pleasing old fans while also introducing the new characters. Honestly, Rey/Finn/Poe all seem to have mixed call-backs anyways. Rey does some Luke shit, but also pilots the falcon. Finn might be the "everyman" like Han, but he's also getting pretty good on those gun turrets like Luke (And he does use the lightsaber for most of the movie, even if he doesn't end up owning it). Poe is a great pilot like Han/Luke, but also a loyal revolutionary like Leia.
With that in mind, it's a good time for me to add that I'm, at the very least, expecting some heavy deconstruction throughout the last two movies. Characters turning dark where Luke didn't. Massive Resistance plans FAILING even though it seemed like everything the Rebels ever attempted worked. Characters you think are going to sell people out like Lando, but are actually loyal and don't. Etc.
And honestly, based on the shotlist/synopsis...I'm kinda feeling like that well is going to have to run dry anways. They seem to have (rightfully) placed a LOT of recognizable themes into this movie. Characters, geographical locations (I love that we get desert, snow, and forest in this), plots, etc. Sure, we should probably be expecting some cool Rey/Luke training sequences, but aside from that, I'd be happy with Ep.8/9 branching off.
I wouldn't mind seeing that either. The idea that Finn could be key to helping the Resistance by giving them a glimpse at who's behind the FO and their tactics is interesting.
There was that early rumor as well (I think it was debunked?) where the Resistance has a Death Star like weapon (to fight the Starkiller Base) but is arguing over it's use for fear of becoming no better than the Empire.
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Never understimate the movie business's (or writers' in general) ability to recycle ideas.
bengraven
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It's really a huge shame there's no one to train Finn because you can't spend a marketing campaign teasing something that will never happen.
I want to see Boyega with a fucking lightsaber, actually killing it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty happy with Rey's story, but I want to see Finn get his eventually.
I want to see Boyega with a fucking lightsaber, actually killing it.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty happy with Rey's story, but I want to see Finn get his eventually.
Bobby Roberts
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Keep in mind, Rian Johnson is doing the next one, and he's basically, so far as Kasdan makes it sound, getting to do what he wants. These characters could go on paths we can't easily map to a previous Star Wars movie.
The movie premieres on the 14th. So other than reviews that embargo probably doesn't mean much.
Not exactly...he will get to write what he wants but I think the overall trilogy has been laid out as far as story and characters go. I don't think Rian is going to drastically change the outcome of Episode 7. JJ is still an executive producer for 8 as well.
Bobby Roberts
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It's in the OP
Nah, he's got a lot of latitude. The overall trilogy has a general shape (fairly general, from what I've heard, not a lot of specifics) but Johnson's got a lot of freedom to take things where he wants them to go. Abrams isn't riding herd on the man. Neither is Kasdan.
thecouncil
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You'll be posting this for the rest of this thread's life.
Bobby Roberts
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Heavy hangs the head...
BronsonLee
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Rian gets to do what he wants
Brings back Han
'It was only a flesh wound!'
Kylo stabs him again
Brings back Han
'It was only a flesh wound!'
Kylo stabs him again
Freezasaurus
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So Han's death is confirmed to be 1000% true at this point?
and this can only be seen as a good thing. We don't need a retread of the WHOLE trilogy. This first movie will definitely have callbacks and be very familiar to us older viewers.
But let Episode 8 do some new things as far as this series is concerned.
BronsonLee
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I stabbed him myself
ViewtifulJC
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Just a reminder that Colin Trevorrow is still doing Episode 9
Bobby Roberts
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The only thing this 100% confirms is that the fan-art drawing from a Spanish-language fanzine, based on/traced over a 2008 fan-art piece of Darth Plagueis is not at all an accurate representation of what Supreme Leader Snoke will look like.
I believe Rian Johnson is still writing it, however.
I'm sure if we mention it two more times Jack Remington will show up and do his dance again.
Plot twist: Poe is actually the Force sensitive one.
Trevorrow is a decent Director. The flaws Jurassic world has are small compared to the clusterfuck that would have been Dino Commandos etc that the script was before Trevorrow brought it back into somewhat normalcy.
As for the whole Snoke = Plagueis thing it wouldn't be terrible but I doubt there is anything there. Plagueis at least old EU wanted to do away with the whole only 2 rule and felt he could trust Palpatine enough instead Palpatine was all in it for himself. So he kills Plagueis. Could easily have had it so Plagueis brought himself back but instead of taking a stand against Palpatine just went into the Shadows and let things play out. Palpatine fails and Plagueis comes back out of the Shadows to try and pick up the remains.
As for the whole Snoke = Plagueis thing it wouldn't be terrible but I doubt there is anything there. Plagueis at least old EU wanted to do away with the whole only 2 rule and felt he could trust Palpatine enough instead Palpatine was all in it for himself. So he kills Plagueis. Could easily have had it so Plagueis brought himself back but instead of taking a stand against Palpatine just went into the Shadows and let things play out. Palpatine fails and Plagueis comes back out of the Shadows to try and pick up the remains.
Bobby Roberts
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The bad guy getting a redemption arc isn't new in Star Wars. It's basically Star Wars.
It'd be new if the bad guy stayed bad, no matter what the good guys tried. Which would put the good guys in an interesting position.
I've always thought "what if the person you love and you're trying to save absolutely refuses, no matter what?"
Could add an element of tragedy that was only really paid lip service in the films previously.
Freezasaurus
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Man, they're gonna have this franchise planned a decade in advance before long.
I thought Johnson was just doing the first treatment?
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phazedplasma
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If Pablo Hidalgo from Lucasfilm aware of the leak from this thread then that means he might be aware of WHO leaked it here..and lead him to Freezasaurus.
#dead
Only if Rey genuinely turns dark by the end of Ep IX to set up X - XII.
graffix13
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Exactly.
Also someone was asking about Muun's earlier....they are in Episode 2 as well as a few episodes of The Clone Wars (later Seasons IIRC).
I can get behind this. Is it ever stated if a person can use both the light side and the dark side of the force? Because if so, I can get behind Kylo being the gray force user I've always wanted to see in action and canon.
I think Finn is Force Sensitive. I think Rey is Force Sensitive. I actually think Poe is Force Sensitive as well. I don't think The Force Awakens is a title that refers to only one or two characters. I think the Force itself will be an active character in this trilogy. What is it? What is its nature, and how does it truly affect the universe in a real way?
Having multiple force users doesn't mean each of their character arcs are going to play out the same way. It doesn't mean that the Jedi specifically are coming back. Luke apparently tried that and it was taken way from him. At great cost.
If I were designing this trilogy, I'd be very interested in exploring how the Force becomes a relevant part of the universe again. The PT showed us the Force being used in a very dogmatic, rigid way with the Jedi Order, and the Sith using the Force for subterfuge and deceit, in an attempt by Palpatine to sieze control.
In the OT, the Force was dormant, an "ancient" religion that very few individuals outside of Darth Vader (I don't even think the Empire knew Palpatine had force powers), and it wasn't until Luke Skywalker used the Force and his damned annoying earnestness to redeem/save his father, and overthrow the corrupt Empire that the Force became active again.
For this Sequel Trilogy, I imagine we are going to see a universe being brought into the realization that the Force is a real, active part of the very fabric of creation. We'll see this played out through multiple perspectives, specifically:
An orphan left alone on an outer rim desert planet, who feels lost, but with a calling she can't explain to belong somewhere. Through a trial by fire, she learns more about herself than she ever dreamed. Will that path lead her to light or dark? Will she find a willing teacher in Luke Skywalker? That's her arc for the trilogy.
An orphan raised to do one thing: fight, and kill. He was brought up viewing the Force and the Jedi as something to be feared, hated, the enemy. He then learns that the very ideology he was born into was flawed, a lie, and it pulls the rug out from underneath him. He now feels he has nothing to fight for, then he meets Rey, and together, they go on a parallel journey that awakens Finn's inner hero. How crazy and emotional would it be for someone who was indoctrinated by the Empire, or First Order to loathe Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, and therefore, the Force, to learn that he, himself, has the very potential to harness that power? How will that change him? How will he respond? That is his arc.
Poe is a question mark, but if also Force sensitive, I can see how his arc would revolve around him being a hot shot, brash, impulsive ace pilot for the Resistance, who awakens to his potential to the Force. How will this change the way he perceives the world? How will it change how his peers perceive him? What is his new place in this world where the Force is no longer in the shadows? That could potentially be his arc if he is also Force Sensitive.
Kylo Ren's arc could be the most powerful, in that he starts off already on a dark path. Not Sith, but seemingly abandoned by his family, corrupted by a "father" figure who is likely grooming him for his own means, driving him to kill his biological father, which will no doubt scar him if his path is also similar to his grandfathers, which is one of redemption (I really think that by the end of this trilogy, Kylo will be fighting alongside the heroes to stop Snoke, after having awoken to the errors of his thinking, either by Rey, Luke, Finn, or Poe). That could be compelling.
Star Wars, at its core, is really simple storytelling. It's archetypes are mythical, it's story points broad, but the characterization is where we get all the depth from. It doesn't matter how many super weapons the villains create, and the heroes destroy. What matters is the character drama and arcs that drive those events forward. The new trilogy is set up to deliver a lot of material to work with over the course of those three movies, and it can go in any direction.
There's no guarantee that any of the Force sensitive characters will become Jedi, or even WANT to be Jedi by the end of this series. They want to find Luke to answer questions, yes, but it's very possible that their desire to become Jedi or even heroes/villains, isn't part of their ambition.
At the end of the day, for me, it doesn't matter how many series callbacks or nostalgia the film has, because I find the new cast incredibly compelling because their potential for great drama/storytelling is so great, based off of just the core setups for each character that we've been given so far.
Also, Snoke looks awesome. I hope the final design is a mix of both the left and the right. Serkis is fantastic in everything I've seen him in, so I'm very excited for his performance.
Han, Luke, and Leia are just icing on the cake, but I was on board when I learned who the new cast was going to be. I think Episode VIII is going to be really, really good based off of the framework set up with TFA.
Having multiple force users doesn't mean each of their character arcs are going to play out the same way. It doesn't mean that the Jedi specifically are coming back. Luke apparently tried that and it was taken way from him. At great cost.
If I were designing this trilogy, I'd be very interested in exploring how the Force becomes a relevant part of the universe again. The PT showed us the Force being used in a very dogmatic, rigid way with the Jedi Order, and the Sith using the Force for subterfuge and deceit, in an attempt by Palpatine to sieze control.
In the OT, the Force was dormant, an "ancient" religion that very few individuals outside of Darth Vader (I don't even think the Empire knew Palpatine had force powers), and it wasn't until Luke Skywalker used the Force and his damned annoying earnestness to redeem/save his father, and overthrow the corrupt Empire that the Force became active again.
For this Sequel Trilogy, I imagine we are going to see a universe being brought into the realization that the Force is a real, active part of the very fabric of creation. We'll see this played out through multiple perspectives, specifically:
An orphan left alone on an outer rim desert planet, who feels lost, but with a calling she can't explain to belong somewhere. Through a trial by fire, she learns more about herself than she ever dreamed. Will that path lead her to light or dark? Will she find a willing teacher in Luke Skywalker? That's her arc for the trilogy.
An orphan raised to do one thing: fight, and kill. He was brought up viewing the Force and the Jedi as something to be feared, hated, the enemy. He then learns that the very ideology he was born into was flawed, a lie, and it pulls the rug out from underneath him. He now feels he has nothing to fight for, then he meets Rey, and together, they go on a parallel journey that awakens Finn's inner hero. How crazy and emotional would it be for someone who was indoctrinated by the Empire, or First Order to loathe Luke Skywalker and the Jedi, and therefore, the Force, to learn that he, himself, has the very potential to harness that power? How will that change him? How will he respond? That is his arc.
Poe is a question mark, but if also Force sensitive, I can see how his arc would revolve around him being a hot shot, brash, impulsive ace pilot for the Resistance, who awakens to his potential to the Force. How will this change the way he perceives the world? How will it change how his peers perceive him? What is his new place in this world where the Force is no longer in the shadows? That could potentially be his arc if he is also Force Sensitive.
Kylo Ren's arc could be the most powerful, in that he starts off already on a dark path. Not Sith, but seemingly abandoned by his family, corrupted by a "father" figure who is likely grooming him for his own means, driving him to kill his biological father, which will no doubt scar him if his path is also similar to his grandfathers, which is one of redemption (I really think that by the end of this trilogy, Kylo will be fighting alongside the heroes to stop Snoke, after having awoken to the errors of his thinking, either by Rey, Luke, Finn, or Poe). That could be compelling.
Star Wars, at its core, is really simple storytelling. It's archetypes are mythical, it's story points broad, but the characterization is where we get all the depth from. It doesn't matter how many super weapons the villains create, and the heroes destroy. What matters is the character drama and arcs that drive those events forward. The new trilogy is set up to deliver a lot of material to work with over the course of those three movies, and it can go in any direction.
There's no guarantee that any of the Force sensitive characters will become Jedi, or even WANT to be Jedi by the end of this series. They want to find Luke to answer questions, yes, but it's very possible that their desire to become Jedi or even heroes/villains, isn't part of their ambition.
At the end of the day, for me, it doesn't matter how many series callbacks or nostalgia the film has, because I find the new cast incredibly compelling because their potential for great drama/storytelling is so great, based off of just the core setups for each character that we've been given so far.
Also, Snoke looks awesome. I hope the final design is a mix of both the left and the right. Serkis is fantastic in everything I've seen him in, so I'm very excited for his performance.
Han, Luke, and Leia are just icing on the cake, but I was on board when I learned who the new cast was going to be. I think Episode VIII is going to be really, really good based off of the framework set up with TFA.
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