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[Fury451]

Anyone still not feeling Kylo being Hans-Leia flesh and blood, and then kills his father? Seems like forced family drama and a tragedy not befitting our heroes.

I rather prefer Kylo be Snoke child or adopted son something and in the end he turns good against his father...

I honestly don't want to see redemption for Kylo; that was Vader's thing, and it made sense from that character standpoint. From here forward, let bad guys be bad guys, and let good eventually overcome through perseverance rather than somebody having a change of heart because of reasons.

 

[Guy.brush]

Anyone still not feeling Kylo being Hans-Leia flesh and blood, and then kills his father? Seems like forced family drama and a tragedy not befitting our heroes.

I rather prefer Kylo be Snoke child or adopted son something and in the end he turns good against his father...

Yeah I feel it could hurt the OT quite a bit if done wrong.
"Hey look the lovechild of the two romancing leads from the OT, child of the Princess of the Rebellion and General Solo is now a Darth Vader fanboy and helps create a worse threat to the galaxy than the one they fought so hard against."
Really hope they explain that well that Solo and Leia were not able to find/save/educate their child.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah I feel it could hurt the OT quite a bit if done wrong.

Still dont' see how it'd hurt the original films at all. That doesn't make sense to me.

What about those movies changes in any real measurable way?

 

[thecouncil]

You know that part right under the trailers and teasers? Like, RIGHT under them? Big ol image? Looks like this?

That's what Cheebo was talking about.

It took me a while to get that to work on mobile, by the way.

Clicking on it just opened the image, not the link.

Maybe add a direct link below or to the text introducing it.

For a while I thought "spoiler board" was referring to this thread or something.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It took me a while to get that to work on mobile, by the way.

First I'm hearing about it. Just checked it on phone & desktop and it's going straight to the blogspot site. Weird.

But I'll add a "click the image" in there somewhere for clarification's sake. Thanks!

 

[Cheebo]

That would explain the lack of him in the promotional material...

I know you are just making fun of those who claim this but it's absurd how many people haven't figured out Luke is basically not in this movie at all based off the trailers/tv spots.

 

[thecouncil]

First I'm hearing about it. Just checked it on phone & desktop and it's going straight to the blogspot site. Weird.

But I'll add a "click the image" in there somewhere for clarification's sake. Thanks!

Yeah, checked on my phone and it worked. Just not my Kindle. Maybe Kindles just suck. Haha.

 

[sphagnum]

I'm still kind of sheeved that Moraband being a superweapon was shelved in favor of Starkiller Base, unless Starkiller Base does turn out to be Ilum, which would be a great twist.

 

[Guy.brush]

Still dont' see how it'd hurt the original films at all. That doesn't make sense to me.

What about those movies changes in any real measurable way?

It could change the audience's perception of the love story (if the viewer has seen/heard of EpVII already) when watching ESB & ROTJ.
In the OT the struggle with the Dark Side seemed to be solely for Luke and his father, while the sister and Solo never seemed to be even remotely tempted.
Now their son is a mass murdering psychopath that wants to succeed Vader and might probably cause more harm than even Tarkin which Leia spit in the face of.
You will see these two getting closer and together in ESB and think: Your son will murder you and anyone you love and hold dear, don't do it!
I know that stuff like that IS sometimes part of tragic greek stories, but seeing it happen to Han and Leia retroactively might feel weird.
Again: The proof is in the pudding and EpVII will probably brush over lots of their 30 year relationship backstory and we might only get glimpses of what happened.
Seems the explanation will be: They had their son in Luke's academy, then he somehow turned/got abducted and turned into Vader 2.0.
It seems such a huge part of the story (the prequels were basically all about such an arc) that it might feel weird and disconnected (having it already happened when EPVII starts).

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You will see these two getting closer and together in ESB and think: Your son will murder you and anyone you love and hold dear, don't do it!

I don't think even if anyone would do this (and I'm not certain this is a thing people would actually do) that it'd ruin those movies, anymore than Lucas choosing to make Leia Luke's sister in 1981 retroactively ruined Star Wars or Empire.

Maybe it could add some extra complication/shading to the relationship unfolding as you rewatch the film, but I guess I don't understand how that's a bad thing at all. And even then, you have to choose to let that shading play into your rewatch, because you know that the scenes you're watching, and the story you're enjoying, was never written, acted, or performed with any of that shit even in the equasion.

 

[Cheebo]

It could change the audience's perception of the love story (if the viewer has seen/heard of EpVII already) when watching ESB & ROTJ.
In the OT the struggle with the Dark Side seemed to be solely for Luke and his father, while the sister and Solo never seemed to be even remotely tempted.
Now their son is a mass murdering psychopath that wants to succeed Vader and might probably cause more harm than even Tarkin which Leia spit in the face of.
You will see these two getting closer and together in ESB and think: Your son will murder you and anyone you love and hold dear, don't do it!
I know that stuff like that IS sometimes part of tragic greek stories, but seeing it happen to Han and Leia retroactively might feel weird.
Again: The proof is in the pudding and EpVII will probably brush over lots of their 30 year relationship backstory and we might only get glimpses of what happened.
Seems the explanation will be: They had their son in Luke's academy, then he somehow turned/got abducted and turned into Vader 2.0.
It seems such a huge part of the story (the prequels were basically all about such an arc) that it might feel weird and disconnected (having it already happened when EPVII starts).

they can't ruin the love story more the. ROTJ did. Both Ford and Fisher really phoned that in.

That "hold me!" scene is painful.

 

[Jack Remington]

Gonna point out again that you guys know jack and shit.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Gonna point out again

Keep dancin, Jack!

 

[ViewtifulJC]

pay attention to me whewwwwwwwwww look at me go!

damn, your plan is workin

 

[Kuros]

It certainly looks like Mizzlewump was an insider. Interesting he saw such an early draft as I can't imagine it would have been passed around too many people in such an early state.

 

[WadeitOut]

People keep harping on this "But Vader already turned good". Thing. Yeah he turned good for like 3 minutes and died.

Having Kylo be a child of the OT good guys and just keeping him evil until he eventually dies is pointless.

 

[Jack Remington]

damn, your plan is workin

All I'm saying is your overconfidence is your weakness. So certain are you. Not only that you know major story beats like Han dying, but that you can predict the exact line of dialogue preceding it.

Gonna be some major egg on your face in a few days.

 

[Kuros]

People keep harping on this "But Vader already turned good". Thing. Yeah he turned good for like 3 minutes and died.

Having Kylo be a child of the OT good guys and just keeping him evil until he eventually dies is pointless.

If Kylo turns good at some point in this trilogy there is no way he'd be going around fighting for the good guys.

Dude would be in jail for life (same with Vader)

The audience wouldn't be able to root for Han's killer anyway.

 

[MattyG]

People keep harping on this "But Vader already turned good". Thing. Yeah he turned good for like 3 minutes and died.

Having Kylo be a child of the OT good guys and just keeping him evil until he eventually dies is pointless.

Exactly. Vader's redemption was short lived. If Kylo comes to the Light Side, I'd like to see him live long after and struggle to adapt to his redemption, having to face the people he's hurt and try to make amends.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Well, you are right. We don't know the exact line of dialog.

but he will die tho. Bring your Kleenex.

 

[sphagnum]

Calling it now, Mizzlewump was Pablo Hidalgo.

 

[Moff]

I'm still kind of sheeved that Moraband being a superweapon was shelved in favor of Starkiller Base, unless Starkiller Base does turn out to be Ilum, which would be a great twist.

I think it's quite likely it's Ilum.
but when was there a rumor that moraband is involved?

 

[Jack Remington]

It's always seemed kind of weird to be so confident in this based on the leaked shooting schedule.

For all you know he pulls a Gandalf. For all you know J.J. Abrams is trolling you guys.

Even the spoilerboard doesn't pretend to be more than 50% confident in their prediction of how that scene goes down.

 

[WadeitOut]

If Kylo turns good at some point in this trilogy there is no way he'd be going around fighting for the good guys.

Dude would be in jail for life (same with Vader)

The audience wouldn't be able to root for Han's killer anyway.

I'd bet you a lot of space bucks that if you take Han's son, and tell us he was abducted as a small child and brain washed to worship his evil grandfather, you can get the audience to root for him again.

 

[sphagnum]

I think it's quite likely it's Ilum.
but when was there a rumor that moraband is involved?

Mizzlewump stated that the planetary weapon in the 2nd draft was "the Sith Homeworld". So unless JJ intended on retconning which planet that was, it was Moraband (or I guess maybe Ziost or Dromund Kaas).

edit: It's also worth noting that at one point Jakku was going to be a snow planet, with one of Rey's production codenames (aside from "Kira" and "Fawn") being simply "Snow Girl". So I wouldn't be surprised if the third act was on a desert planet (Moraband) and they decided to swap them to make it more of a Tatooine parallel or to avoid having another movie with a desert battle like Geonosis as the finale. Or for whatever reason.

 

[Kuros]

It's always seemed kind of weird to be so confident in this based on the leaked shooting schedule.

For all you know he pulls a Gandalf. For all you know J.J. Abrams is trolling you guys.

Even the spoilerboard doesn't pretend to be more than 50% confident in their prediction of how that scene goes down.

The shoot schedule matches the leaked trailers/images.

That is not to say they kept some super secret stuff off the schedule or things werent changed but its roughly right.

 

[WadeitOut]

It's always seemed kind of weird to be so confident in this based on the leaked shooting schedule.

For all you know he pulls a Gandalf. For all you know J.J. Abrams is trolling you guys.

Even the spoilerboard doesn't pretend to be more than 50% confident in their prediction of how that scene goes down.

Spoilerboard is the lowest common denominator of the leaked call sheet. They are just some fanfic kids who took the leaks are are making some bad dialogued story with it.

I 100% trust DarthPsycotic of MillenniumFalcon.com who had a clean version of the call sheet. Not the one that Indie Revolver tried to decode code names on and interpret themselves before leaking it to others like MSW. This dude was leaking all kinds of stuff during the prequel era on TF.net. And he leaked most of the concept art we have seen.

 

[Moff]

It's always seemed kind of weird to be so confident in this based on the leaked shooting schedule.

For all you know he pulls a Gandalf. For all you know J.J. Abrams is trolling you guys.

Even the spoilerboard doesn't pretend to be more than 50% confident in their prediction of how that scene goes down.

I think you have serious problems misinterpreting people in this thread.
no one says he can 100% predict the lines in that scene
no one says he already knows 100% how it will happen
no one knows if they decide later that han might come back, how could they? they even brought Maul back who was cut in 2 pieces. that is just silly from your part.
but at this point it's super likely that han will die in this movie and you are in complete denial about that, which is probably what leads to your weird behavior in this thread.

 

[sphagnum]

I 100% trust DarthPsycotic of MilleniumFalcon.com who had a clean version of the call sheet. Not the one that Indie Revolver tried to decode code names on and interpret themselves before leaking it to others like MSW. This dude was leaking all kinds of stuff during the prequel era on TF.net. And he leaked most of the concept art we have seen.

I really hope the final film has a combination of the scenes from both versions of the call sheets, because it will be an absolute shame if we don't get Finn consoling Han about Kylo or Kylo having his "moment" on the Falcon.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

The audience wouldn't be able to root for Han's killer anyway.

This is the big difference between Vader's redemption/Luke's vindication (the latter is more accurate, honestly) and the proposed "Kylo turns to the light" story idea - Vader never really did anything to the good guys outside of interrogation/torture. Outside of Ben (who basically doesn't really die, and had a personal history we were unaware of to any real extent) Vader doesn't straight out MURDER a beloved character. He's the bad guy, but he never crossed that specific line. Han, Luke, & Leia all have their run-ins with him, but he's more or less just a really mean asshole. It makes it more palatable to believe that Luke could be right about him, because he hasn't really done anything on his own that's too unforgivable on the surface

(although you could make the argument that he was a willing party to planetcide and probably murdered a whole TON of motherfuckers offscreen that we never heard of, yeah)

To contrast, Kylo Ren is going to KNOW that Han Solo is his father, and KNOW that he doesn't have to do what he's doing, and that he can come back. It's kind of similar to the Ben & Vader fight, but the difference is that Ben has no intention of trying to bring Vader back. he's just gonna fight him, and hopefully kill him, and it only occurs to him to sacrifice himself when he sees the kids running toward the Falcon. But Han is going to put himself out there knowing, more than likely, he's dead at the end of this conversation. But he's gonna try anyway. And Kylo's gonna tell him to fuck off, and then murder him, and leave his dead body behind.

It's going to be a really, really, really hard row to hoe to get the audience in a position where they're willing to accept that guy's "redemption," or to accept either Rey or Finn pursuing that option willingly.

And then the question is how satisfying could that redemption really be?

 

[Indrid Cold1]

Man, "Supreme Leader Snoke" is a really hideously bad name. Like, Darth Icky or Darth Insanius levels of bad. I am finding it really difficult to get past how much I hate that name.

 

[WadeitOut]

I really hope the final film has a combination of the scenes from both versions of the call sheets, because it will be an absolute shame if we don't get Finn consoling Han about Kylo or Kylo having his "moment" on the Falcon.

Call sheet edits happen often throughout the production of a film like this that does principal filming for so long in so many locations. They also don't include pickup and reshoot stuff. So it's say to say these are likely earlier versions of call sheets.

My biggest problem with Mizzlewump's stuff, is there are a few things I am absolutely positive are not happening in this film. Like Han and Leia being Rey's kid. But I could theoretically something could have been lost in translation. Like maybe he saw something referring to one of the man cast being their child and assumed it had to be Rey since it wasn't obviously Finn.

 

[Jack Remington]

I think you have serious problems misinterpreting people in this thread.
no one says he can 100% predict the lines in that scene
no one says he already knows 100% how it will happen
no one knows if they decide later that han might come back, how could they? they even brought Maul back who was cut in 2 pieces. that is just silly from your part.
but at this point it's super likely that han will die in this movie and you are in complete denial about that, which is probably what leads to your weird behavior in this thread.

You misunderstand me.

I don't really care if Han dies. In fact, I think it could potentially be an awesome plot development.

To pretend it's a done deal based on a leaked call sheet has always seemed weird to me.

 

[WadeitOut]

This is the big difference between Vader's redemption/Luke's vindication (the latter is more accurate, honestly) is that Vader never really did anything to the good guys outside of interrogation/torture. Outside of Ben (who basically doesn't really die, and had a personal history we were unaware of to any real extent) Vader doesn't straight out MURDER a beloved character. He's the bad guy, but he never crossed that specific line. It makes it more palatable to believe that Luke could be right about him, because he hasn't really done anything on his own that's too unforgivable on the surface

(although you could make the argument that he was a willing party to planetcide and probably murdered a whole TON of motherfuckers offscreen that we never heard of, yeah)

To contrast, Kylo Ren is going to KNOW that Han Solo is his father, and KNOW that he doesn't have to do what he's doing, and that he can come back. It's kind of similar to the Ben & Vader fight, but the difference is that Ben has no intention of trying to bring Vader back. he's just gonna fight him, and hopefully kill him, and it only occurs to him to sacrifice himself when he sees the kids. But Han is going to put himself out there knowing, more than likely, he's dead at the end of this conversation. But he's gonna try anyway. And Kylo's gonna tell him to fuck off, and then murder him, and leave his dead body behind.

It's going to be a really, really, really hard row to hoe to get the audience in a position where they're willing to accept that guy's "redemption," or to accept either Rey or Finn pursuing that option willingly.

And then the question is how satisfying could that redemption really be?

Again you are really missing the point here. Kylo Ren was supposedly abducted as a child and spent his entire youth and adulthood being corrupted into thinking Vader is some sort of god. Anakin was just a selfish asshole.

You misunderstand me.

I don't really care if Han dies. In fact, I think it could potentially be an awesome plot development.

To pretend it's a done deal based on a leaked call sheet has always seemed weird to me.

It isn't just based off a call sheet. The specific stuff by MSW about the Kylo in the falcon stuff and some other things were from reports of people on set. It just happens to coincide with the call sheet stuff.

 

[Moff]

To pretend it's a done deal based on a leaked call sheet has always seemed weird to me.

how is that weird? long before that leak many signs pointed to han dying. and then you expect people to ignore that han no longer appears at all after kylo "ended the conversation" in the last scene he is in?
ignoring that would be weird.

 

[Kuros]

This is the big difference between Vader's redemption/Luke's vindication (the latter is more accurate, honestly) is that Vader never really did anything to the good guys outside of interrogation/torture. Outside of Ben (who basically doesn't really die, and had a personal history we were unaware of to any real extent) Vader doesn't straight out MURDER a beloved character. He's the bad guy, but he never crossed that specific line. It makes it more palatable to believe that Luke could be right about him, because he hasn't really done anything on his own that's too unforgivable on the surface

(although you could make the argument that he was a willing party to planetcide and probably murdered a whole TON of motherfuckers offscreen that we never heard of, yeah)

To contrast, Kylo Ren is going to KNOW that Han Solo is his father, and KNOW that he doesn't have to do what he's doing, and that he can come back. It's kind of similar to the Ben & Vader fight, but the difference is that Ben has no intention of trying to bring Vader back. he's just gonna fight him, and hopefully kill him, and it only occurs to him to sacrifice himself when he sees the kids. But Han is going to put himself out there knowing, more than likely, he's dead at the end of this conversation. But he's gonna try anyway. And Kylo's gonna tell him to fuck off, and then murder him, and leave his dead body behind.

It's going to be a really, really, really hard row to hoe to get the audience in a position where they're willing to accept that guy's "redemption," or to accept either Rey or Finn pursuing that option willingly.

And then the question is how satisfying could that redemption really be?

Agree. Obviously the PT does a lot to remove Vader's redeemable qualities. What with the mass infanticide and all. But none of the OT knew any of that apart from Obi Wan and Yoda.

 

[sphagnum]

Again you are really missing the point here. Kylo Ren was supposedly abducted as a child and spent his entire youth and adulthood being corrupted into thinking Vader is some sort of god. Anakin was just a selfish asshole.

We're not really sure about that though. If Kylo is the one in the armor in that rain shot (same armor as in "current day" TFA), then he must have been a teenager during the massacre, which would point more toward him having willingly betrayed the Jedi and joined the Knights of Ren. I mean it's possible he was kidnapped as a child and that's the first time he shows up, but it seems more likely that he had an interest in his grandfather and Snoke used it to tempt him to the dark side.

 

[Kuros]

Call sheet edits happen often throughout the production of a film like this that does principal filming for so long in so many locations. They also don't include pickup and reshoot stuff. So it's say to say these are likely earlier versions of call sheets.

My biggest problem with Mizzlewump's stuff, is there are a few things I am absolutely positive are not happening in this film. Like Han and Leia being Rey's kid. But I could theoretically something could have been lost in translation. Like maybe he saw something referring to one of the man cast being their child and assumed it had to be Rey since it wasn't obviously Finn.

Mizzlewump seems to have been based on the Arndt script. Which was dumped but they kept themes from.

 

[WadeitOut]

Agree. Obviously the PT does a lot to remove Vader's redeemable qualities. What with the mass infanticide and all. But none of the OT knew any of that apart from Obi Wan and Yoda.

With that exact same argument, the OT films never gave us a good reason as to why he just all of a sudden turned to the dark side. Other than that he was seduced by the darkside.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Did Disney Ninjas murder the Star Wars Unity site?

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Did Disney Ninjas murder the Star Wars Unity site?

you next, b

 

[WadeitOut]

We're not really sure about that though. If Kylo is the one in the armor in that rain shot (same armor as in "current day" TFA), then he must have been a teenager during the massacre, which would point more toward him having willingly betrayed the Jedi and joined the Knights of Ren. I mean it's possible he was kidnapped as a child and that's the first time he shows up, but it seems more likely that he had an interest in his grandfather and Snoke used it to tempt him to the dark side.

I don't think anyone thinks the shot in the rain is from the same time period as the assault on the academy. There are two prevailing theories;

1) Maz's flashbacks jump around and that specific shot is the one in the callsheet referring to him joining the Knights of Ren.

or

2) The leader of the Knights of Ren was not always Kylo but was more of a "Ras Al'Ghul" type thing. So someone else wore that armor before him. And it and the lightsaber are passed down.

I personally go with 1.

 

[Kuros]

Did Disney Ninjas murder the Star Wars Unity site?

Its probably some Manabyte nonsense rather than Disney.

Edit: or may have been a name Disney wanted to keep hold of so leaned on him.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Again you are really missing the point here.

No, I'm not missing the point. Unless you're going to argue that Kylo being abducted is going to be a key plot point revealed in The Force Awakens as part of the flashback, which isn't absolutely known as of yet. It's also been said that Kylo VOLUNTEERS to go darkside. He's not tricked into it. He just does it. Which would also set him apart from Vader while he erroneously follows in the man's footsteps. Vader was more or less manipulated into it. But this trilogy (and Abrams has spoken to this point) seems to involve villains whose entire modus operandi is to assume the Empire wasn't hardcore enough, and didn't really do enough to secure their victory, so they need to be bolder, badder, meaner. Having Kylo Ren be the face of that movement for this trilogy (more than Snoke, even), having his turn to the dark side really be HIS choice, and not a manipulation executed at a moment of severe weakness/powerlessness? That seems pretty dramatically interesting in a way Vader couldn't be after his backstory was explained in the prequels.

I'm not really missing the point at all, I'm trying to explain why Kylo Ren murdering his father, who he knows is his father, who is essentially trying to appeal to him AS a father in the hopes of saving everyone he cares about, isn't going to provide a great jumping off point for a redemption arc, and said redemption arc might not even be worth pursuing with that as its beginning.

Its probably some Manabyte nonsense rather than Disney.

It is. He put a blogpost up explaining that basically, someone got mad at him for doing the Snoke story, and then Jason got mad/stressed because of the association Manabyte has with Making Star Wars, so he just shitcanned the site and left the show.

(it was also a strange choice in name considering Manabyte's M.O. regarding Star Wars fandom and news dissemination, honestly)

My biggest problem with Mizzlewump's stuff, is there are a few things I am absolutely positive are not happening in this film.

But of course they aren't. You don't look at Mizzlewump's shit looking for stuff that is going to actually make it to the film, you look at it to get an idea of what the development process looked like, and what ideas they were entertaining at that point, and how those ideas changed into what we're looking at in the Spoilerboard/Shot-list leaks. It's not a predictor of the film, but the thought-processes behind it. It gives you an idea as to what got changed along the way, and why they changed it, which is an interesting insight into their storytelling methods.

 

[Kuros]

Star Wars fan sites. Serious business. Especially if you're Jason Ward or Manabyte.

 

[WadeitOut]

It's also been said that Kylo VOLUNTEERS to go darkside. He's not tricked into it. He just does it.

Yeah but I base my opinions on actual leaks/spoilers not things that people "say". It's been said that Snoke is Darth Plagueis as well but I don't hate any of you enough to pretend like that means anything.

The flashback stuff could very well not be accurate. But at least we have something showing them.

 

[Freezasaurus]

you next, b

It is. He put a blogpost up explaining that basically, someone got mad at him for doing the Snoke story, and then Jason got mad/stressed because of the association Manabyte has with Making Star Wars, so he just shitcanned the site and left the show.

Is there always this much drama in the Star Wars community?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Yeah but I base my opinions on actual leaks/spoilers not things that people "say".

Not consistently, as seen by your use of the term "supposedly." You're folding guesswork and speculation into your posts just as much as anyone is. Nothing wrong with that, either. But there's no sure-fire golden ticket you're holding that guarantees your read on the spoilers is the correct one, anymore than there is for mine. I'm just guessing at why a redemption arc for Kylo Ren might not work. Not saying it CAN'T work and won't be implemented. It very well could be.

It's not the first or last time speculation based on known spoilers ended up going the wrong way anyway.

 

[WadeitOut]

Jason Ward is definitely salty about something. He was made aware of the DP call sheet leak and acknowledged it was similar to what they received, but never made reference to it on everything. And now he has seen all of these other leaks in the past week or so and he has been completely silent about it.

Instead MSW is writing articles about Target putting a stupid trading card in their edition of the soundtrack.

But there's no sure-fire golden ticket you're holding that guarantees your read on the spoilers is the correct one.

Except there is no reputable leak that suggests he just randomly decides to join the Knights of Ren as an adult. There never was. It was assumption made for obvious reasons based on things we saw in trailers when we didn't know anything else.

 

[Flow-Walker]

It is. He put a blogpost up explaining that basically, someone got mad at him for doing the Snoke story, and then Jason got mad/stressed because of the association Manabyte has with Making Star Wars, so he just shitcanned the site and left the show.

I DM'ed him on Twitter and he said it wasn't the Snoke thing. It sounds like it was the drama of Disney abusing DMCA to shut down images of the Rey figure that Star Wars Action News bought at Walmart and then posted on Facebook.