Fall 2009 Anime Season of Mononoke's Nakamura Kenji Strikes Back!
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Metalic Sand said:
Yeah, the loli shit is killing the industry, as it's alienating everyone else away from it.
Thankfully there's a few things that become worth watching every year, but this fall season had ZERO for me. Winter- the Vampire show and the Sora Woto show seem to be the only possibilities.
I think I'll need a time machine to appreciate anime if this keeps up.
Great Rumbler
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Alucrid said:
No, season 2 of Astro Fighter Sunred is good too. Bantorra has its moments, but is even, Railgun started slow but has a pretty good storyline going right now, and Letter Bee is a good fantasy series.
Seriously. :lol
Dance in the Vampire Bund is BIG TIME loli. The manga tossed out casual loli nudity on every other page.
Femmeworth
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Kimi ni Todoke is good, if you like shojo.Alucrid said:
Femmeworth
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I watched the edited trailer first and then I watched the uncut.Lain said:
It me a moment to figure out the first shot.Great Rumbler said:
Thanks for the recommendations but none of them really caught my attention. I guess I'll head back to catching up on old gundam episodes. :lol
edit: I'll just stick this here. Is Samurai 7 good? If so, how's the blu-ray quality? I was thinking about picking that up recently.
I thought Samurai 7 was terrible.Alucrid said:
First off, I saw the original after the anime retelling(remake) thing, but the original shits all over it, all over it. I didn't like the setting, the characters were stupid, the animation was good on the dvds I rented however so that was a plus. It's something IMO that either you won't finish it or you might be able to sit through it, but you'll never watch it again after that. I don't know of anyone who really enjoyed it or would watch it again. So I wouldn't buy it.
I'm sure the Bluray's even prettier though.
octopusman
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This is so true.Halycon said:
EDIT: I saw 21st Century in the sentence and thought and adaption of 20th and 21st century boys was coming, Damn....
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Wait, what?arstal said:
The Lolis are killing the industry and I hate them and can't watch anything ---> I'm going to watch that Loli Vampire show. :lol
Besides, it's not like in 1999 everything was necessarily super awesome. There was lots of crap then too.
From that other anime thread about the declining industry I'm starting to think that lolis and moeblobs are not a cause of the decline, but a response.
Consider, high school comedies about 4 moe blobs doing moe blob things is extremely easy to make, requires a much smaller budget, and is guaranteed an audience. And these are not just people who are willing to watch while it airs, but they buy the DVDs, and the figurines and the body pillows etc etc. In fact, it's such a safe move for studios to make (look at Seitokai no Ichizon, the production values are horrid and people still watch it and enjoy it) that it might be the only thing keeping the industry alive.
(Does not apply to Sunrise because they have gunpla to fall back on)
Consider, high school comedies about 4 moe blobs doing moe blob things is extremely easy to make, requires a much smaller budget, and is guaranteed an audience. And these are not just people who are willing to watch while it airs, but they buy the DVDs, and the figurines and the body pillows etc etc. In fact, it's such a safe move for studios to make (look at Seitokai no Ichizon, the production values are horrid and people still watch it and enjoy it) that it might be the only thing keeping the industry alive.
(Does not apply to Sunrise because they have gunpla to fall back on)
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I don't take the argument that the industry is declining horribly at face value either. The fact that the industry doesn't produce what Fan X in America likes doesn't necessarily correlate with the industry collapsing.Halycon said:
I was just talking about the economic state of the industry because stuff like Eden and Bakemonogatari proves that studios can still make really good anime form time to time, even if they're floating on a sea of lolis and moeblobs.Angry Grimace said:
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You know, Kampfer really is something special.
You know, Kampfer really is something special.
firehawk12
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Pandaman said:
WTF?! :lol
watervengeance
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Pandaman said:
I don't get it.
its like the starship troopers movie of anime.firehawk12 said:
everyone goes in expecting it to be a serious grim-dark piece of utter shit, but the badness just sort of warps in on itself halfway to the point where its good. This is like some new higher level of studio trolling that makes endless eight look like childs play.
main character of a harem series who can term into a female version of himself takes 'go fuck yourself' a wee bit too seriously.
firehawk12
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That might be the best explanation for what just happened, because I can see so many people getting infuriated by that episode.
Then again, I suppose I preferred the idiocy of that episode to the relatively benign ending to Nyan Koi. Maybe I really do prefer batshit insane when it comes to harem show endings. :lol
Then again, I suppose I preferred the idiocy of that episode to the relatively benign ending to Nyan Koi. Maybe I really do prefer batshit insane when it comes to harem show endings. :lol
Halycon said:
You're right about that I think. Moeblobs are cheap, and sell to moeblob fans. The problem is that it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. It's just like fighting games, the more narrow you make the focus, the worse they'll do in the long run.
Eventually people will get tired of moeblobs. Then what?
And again, I had no idea what that Vampire show was- now I do. Do not want.
Hidemari Sketch maybe. I don't mind slice of life shows like Oinari or Azumanga- those aren't deep or anything, but they're fun.
95% of anime was always shit, it might not have been moe-blob shit, but it was shit. The only reason we look back at the late 80's or 90's as some kind of golden era is because of 2 things:
1. We didn't have near instant access to nearly every show aired in Japan and thus companies were mainly bringing over the best at the time AND the best we hadn't seen yet. So we were getting an influx of good shit that had been sitting in Japan for a while all at once.
2. We were younger and had fucking quality goggles on now. I loved Project A-Ko when I was younger, fuck I'd like to buy the movie on Blu-Ray for nostalgia's sake, but I bet if I watched it for the first time ever, at age 29, today, I'd think it was some stupid ass shit. Same with Dominion Tank Police, or Vampire Hunter D, probably even Macross. It sure as fuck is true for Voltron, Transformers and GI Joe, which I recently tried to rewatch. We had fucking goggles on then. The stuff we liked as children are safe because of nostalgia and we'll always biasedly like them, even when subjectively they were no better than Kampfer is today.
*Unless you where one of those crazy people who like everything Japan, in which case, I don't know, I don't understand that mindset. I give Japan points for at least being able to pull off good looking cartoons and give them points for trying to do different cartoons that'd never be done here, but their crap to quality ratio is, nor was, ever better than American TV.
1. We didn't have near instant access to nearly every show aired in Japan and thus companies were mainly bringing over the best at the time AND the best we hadn't seen yet. So we were getting an influx of good shit that had been sitting in Japan for a while all at once.
2. We were younger and had fucking quality goggles on now. I loved Project A-Ko when I was younger, fuck I'd like to buy the movie on Blu-Ray for nostalgia's sake, but I bet if I watched it for the first time ever, at age 29, today, I'd think it was some stupid ass shit. Same with Dominion Tank Police, or Vampire Hunter D, probably even Macross. It sure as fuck is true for Voltron, Transformers and GI Joe, which I recently tried to rewatch. We had fucking goggles on then. The stuff we liked as children are safe because of nostalgia and we'll always biasedly like them, even when subjectively they were no better than Kampfer is today.
*Unless you where one of those crazy people who like everything Japan, in which case, I don't know, I don't understand that mindset. I give Japan points for at least being able to pull off good looking cartoons and give them points for trying to do different cartoons that'd never be done here, but their crap to quality ratio is, nor was, ever better than American TV.
firehawk12
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Lain said:
Yeah. And the characters swap bodies with the stuffed animals. :lol
The loli moe shit is just a trend. A current one. It will probably fall down a bit in a few years. It will end up developing it's own genre than similar to Harems and Shounen. Where you'll still get quite a few shows, but it's not going be half the season anymore.:lol
If there is anything particularly bad about current anime that wasn't so much prior. It's the meme-like attitude that is popping up more. Lucky Star is the golden boy for this. In general...KyoAni anime.
But to bash anything pre-2000? I'd say late 1990's to mid 2000 were the best time. Allot of the shit prior(as mentioned) was definitely rosey tinted glasses. It's allot like trying to go back to the PS1/N64 era. Some of the games are still really awesome...but then get use to the sub 20FPS, or the 1minute long loadtimes. And many of the games you thought were awesome. Gameplay just isn't deep anymore, quite shallow and rough instead.
Just to note some of the stuff is 2000's
Twelve Kingdoms
Last Exile
Haibane Renmei
Monster
Planet ES
Paranioa Agent
FLCL
Wolf's Rain
Gankutsuoh
Boogiepop Phantom
Kino's Journey
I tried to pick one's I'd consider more mature also. Something that you could even argue was lacking prior to the mid 1990's.
If there is anything particularly bad about current anime that wasn't so much prior. It's the meme-like attitude that is popping up more. Lucky Star is the golden boy for this. In general...KyoAni anime.
But to bash anything pre-2000? I'd say late 1990's to mid 2000 were the best time. Allot of the shit prior(as mentioned) was definitely rosey tinted glasses. It's allot like trying to go back to the PS1/N64 era. Some of the games are still really awesome...but then get use to the sub 20FPS, or the 1minute long loadtimes. And many of the games you thought were awesome. Gameplay just isn't deep anymore, quite shallow and rough instead.
Just to note some of the stuff is 2000's
Twelve Kingdoms
Last Exile
Haibane Renmei
Monster
Planet ES
Paranioa Agent
FLCL
Wolf's Rain
Gankutsuoh
Boogiepop Phantom
Kino's Journey
I tried to pick one's I'd consider more mature also. Something that you could even argue was lacking prior to the mid 1990's.
Great Rumbler
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Trailer for the Haruhi Suzumiya movie opening in February:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmoVf98eTV8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmoVf98eTV8
I have no idea if anyone here is watching Darker than Black S2, but episode 11 was entertaining as usual.
Too bad a trainwreck ending is inevitable at this point when considering that the series moved like it was a 25/26 episode series rather than a 12 episode series. I wonder if they'll take the "Watch the REAL ending, coming soon in the OVA/Movie!" route.
Too bad a trainwreck ending is inevitable at this point when considering that the series moved like it was a 25/26 episode series rather than a 12 episode series. I wonder if they'll take the "Watch the REAL ending, coming soon in the OVA/Movie!" route.
A Black Falcon
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Pandaman said:
Episode 12...
+: Amusing episode with some funny (stupid, but funny) stuff in it. Not a bad episode, really. Completely ridiculous and yet amusing anyway.
-: Oh come on, episode 11 wasn't any kind of ending... if there's one thing I dislike about anime, it's the propensity for them to not have endings. I mean, what's the "end" of the show?
Sakura is evil and working with the Moderators, the White Kampfer are her (lame and weak) underlings, and the four other main characters are allied against them, now finally knowing what's actually going on. The end.
So is it just an average no-ending anime, or are they mocking how animes so often have endings like that? How did the original version go, manga or light novel or whatever... different, I imagine, but how?
Oh, as for that image there, um, yeah, I'm not going to think about it. It makes so little sense if you try to get some logic out of it that I think any such effort is impossible.
The whole idea of what is in that image is just so ridiculously, hilariously wrong that it's almost awesome, really... depending on whether they were really serious with it or not, I think. If not, then it's funny and an amusing reference to the
'male Natsuru is dating female Natsuru' rumor
firehawk12
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That's because like everything else, the light novel isn't finished yet.
I dunno, I understand why adaptations are easy - you have the plot and the character designs done for you - but they never wait for the novel series to be done.
Heck, Kimi ni Todoke will have a non-ending as well.
I dunno, I understand why adaptations are easy - you have the plot and the character designs done for you - but they never wait for the novel series to be done.
Heck, Kimi ni Todoke will have a non-ending as well.
Femmeworth
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D:firehawk12 said:
Edit: At the rate it's going, the anime is going to need a second season, so hopefully they wait until the manga ends to do it.
firehawk12
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Yeah, I figure it will stop at the end of volume 4, which should make it 13 episodes or so. Unless I'm completely wrong. :lol
Sasemeki Koto is also another one ending in the middle of the manga run so there's another cliffhanger.
I suppose that these shows don't necessarily need to end like that. Genshiken's been brought up here before and yeah, they managed to make the non-ending feel like an ending of sorts.
Aoi Hana's ending was also designed to be a way to close out the show while also allowing the possibility of a second season.
I imagine it's just easier to do a faithful adaptation - which means giant cliffhangers.
Sasemeki Koto is also another one ending in the middle of the manga run so there's another cliffhanger.
I suppose that these shows don't necessarily need to end like that. Genshiken's been brought up here before and yeah, they managed to make the non-ending feel like an ending of sorts.
Aoi Hana's ending was also designed to be a way to close out the show while also allowing the possibility of a second season.
I imagine it's just easier to do a faithful adaptation - which means giant cliffhangers.
Regulus Tera
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So like Inazuma Eleven is pretty much the shit.
I mean I know it's not even from this year but it's like so fun and like if you mixed the dram of Captain Tsubasa with the outrageousness of the funnest battles of pretty much ever shounen anime that ever included some kind of tournament or whatever with the combatants pulling some amazing last-minute attacks at the last second. It's raw fantasy football in such a non-threatening and whimsical narrative that seriously reminds me of why I watched anime when I was a kid.
And fuck you guys that tickles my innards.
I mean I know it's not even from this year but it's like so fun and like if you mixed the dram of Captain Tsubasa with the outrageousness of the funnest battles of pretty much ever shounen anime that ever included some kind of tournament or whatever with the combatants pulling some amazing last-minute attacks at the last second. It's raw fantasy football in such a non-threatening and whimsical narrative that seriously reminds me of why I watched anime when I was a kid.
And fuck you guys that tickles my innards.
A Black Falcon
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firehawk12 said:
Yeah, evidently the anime went through most of the light novels, but not all of them, and they aren't finished yet (next year or something?). Found that info after making that post, along with some more stuff.
One solution is like InuYasha, put off the second part until after the manga/novels end... another is like Naruto or something, have a giant filler block. The third is to simply leave people hanging with no continuation, like many shows (Berzerk, Fruits Basket, Ranma, etc, etc). Or you can just make up a different ending and forget the original... or change the ending for no apparent reason (like Chrno Crusade, happy ending in the manga and tragic one in the anime...). So yeah, there are lots of ways to do it... but what most of them have in common is that the anime endings are often unsatisfying. They definitely do seem to have problems writing endings in their show.
Anyway, if Kampfer ever gets a second season (my guess would be that that's unlikely, but I have no idea) they could go farther, but as is it's definitely in the 'leave people hanging' category.
Oh, and I don't know anything about the light novels, but I did look at a bit of the manga, it's definitely different... the volumes I've seen only cover what happens in the first few episodes of the anime, and it's definitely a bit darker. It's clearly stated that defeated Kampfer are destroyed, Natsuru and Akane defeat a red Kampfer and then Shikuzu drags her off to "deal with her" (she was reporting to Sakura and wasn't exactly friendly with Shikuzu, but she couldn't fight someone of her own color. The character doesn't appear in the anime at all.)... oh yeah, and unlike the anime it's got panty shots, but mangas having more fanservice is pretty normal I know.
Honestly, as I said earlier, I don't mind the anime's direction. There are enough depressing shows out there, why not take something that initially seems like it could be another one of those and make it funny instead? I don't mind, really. Sure it led to lots of ridiculous fanservice, but oh well...
firehawk12
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Well, they could also just go ahead and do their own thing and screw the source material. :lol
To be honest, I wasn't invested enough in Kampfer to check out the source material, but it doesn't surprise me that the anime skipped a lot of stuff. Even the death of Shizuku's senpai is only mentioned in brief.
Funny enough, I did check out the Nyan Koi manga and it's even more screwed up than I thought it would be. I can understand why you wouldn't want to have a "new half" character in the show, let alone some of the more wacky love-polygon hijinks.
To be honest, I wasn't invested enough in Kampfer to check out the source material, but it doesn't surprise me that the anime skipped a lot of stuff. Even the death of Shizuku's senpai is only mentioned in brief.
Funny enough, I did check out the Nyan Koi manga and it's even more screwed up than I thought it would be. I can understand why you wouldn't want to have a "new half" character in the show, let alone some of the more wacky love-polygon hijinks.
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firehawk12 said:
I kind of gather that the insane ridiculousness of the show was them doing exactly that... just not in any way that actually led to the plot going anywhere new, just to them way upping the level of silliness along the way, and removing some of the serious stuff.
The light novels are the original, I have no idea what those are like... but I'd imagine that they're more like the manga than the anime. Anyway, true, and that was really the only time they mentioned what happens to defeated Kampfer in the anime... and even there it was just talking about that one case, not all of them. The scene fit though even so, definitely gave Shizuku more reason to want to oppose the Moderators, something which does matter even in the anime version. That is, it mattered to give them a setup to do more silly gender-switching harem antics with, anyway.
Anyway, other stuff... I watched the older anime movie Wrath of the Ninja, it was pretty average, nothing special. Oh, and for some stupid reason I got myself to watch the rest of episode 7 of K-On, that show annoys me (some moe isn't so bad, but that show goes so overboard with it...) but I've watched half of it anyway. It'd been quite some time since I'd last tried to watch episode 7 though, and I'd abandoned it partway because of how stupid that show gets sometimes...
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