There is a guy who posted a screen shot of a Chinese Theatre pass on Reddit (Barrygibfan) but it depends whether you believe it or not. He's basically posted a lot of his thoughts, which are that not a lot is explained.
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There is a guy who posted a screen shot of a Chinese Theatre pass on Reddit (Barrygibfan) but it depends whether you believe it or not. He's basically posted a lot of his thoughts, which are that not a lot is explained.
Remember, Luke was not a Jedi in ESB. Technically, Luke was not a Jedi until after the duel with Vader in RotJ when he tastes the dark side and rejects it entirely.
One is the grandson of the chosen one, trained by Luke, and has been using a a lightsaber for a while now.
There is no way that scene doesn't end up lame. He can stop a blaster bolt and hold itmwith the force but a young girl can take a lightsaber and cut his arm off?
digoutyoursoul
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Not asking to for them to explain all the little details but with a change to a character as revered as 3PO people will surely want to know to why. Even a quick quote from the character wouldn't bog the movie down surely.
Using a light saber has nothing to do with being a Jedi. Luke wasn't a Jedi yet in Empore Strikes Back. He wasn't till Return of the Jedi. It's a long process. She can use the force, fight with a saber and so on and still not be a Jedi yet in TFA.
They never explained his leg
30 years have passed, there are bound to be a lot of changes to a lot of the characters we know and love. I don't know, some people prefer exposition like that and others don't - and that's fine. But, for me, to stop the action and pacing of the core story to explain something as random as a red arm would be as irritating as it is for them not explaining it to you.
Kitschkraft
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I was going to post this above, but backed out, now I see it repeated elsewhere.
I'm gonna go ahead and post it. We'll find out in like 2 days anyways.
Reading some things on TFN. I'm not even registered, and I can't verify anything. But some guy is dropping some supposed spoilers...they seem to match the pastebin.
This guy claims to have gotten information from his friends who went to the premier. They seemed to have liked it.
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...opening-post-before-posting.50034871/page-102
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/daisy-ridley-rey-in-episode-vii.50019976/page-1288
Finn -
The movie simply doesn't say whether he's force sensitive, but he's good with the lightsaber (That could just be his friends being impressed with the choreography) Says that he goes "from coward to hero" and seemed to think it was a decent arc. Coma at end of movie. Rey takes him with her to visit Luke, while he's still in a coma (I guess he stays on the falcon with Chewie?)
Rey -
We don't know who her parents are. They are only glimpsed briefly, it's a question for a later film. Rey/Finn actually are crushing on each other. Hints that Rey takes Kylo's arm in their duel.
Then there's this :
https://www.reddit.com/user/barrygibbFan
- Seemed down on the movie, but once again, matches the pastebin. He posted his ticket/nametag thing.
He says a bunch of stuff. Kylo isn't as good as he lets on. That his real name really is Ben.
Says the fight plays out as : Kylo knocks out Rey. Finn stands up to him. Kylo knocks the saber out of Finn's hand. When Kylo see's it's Anakins saber, he tries to force pull it, but Rey actually force pulls it first (She's stronger with the force). Rey cuts HIS hand off. Doesn't say how Finn gets hurt.
Seems to be a little discrepancy. The reddit poster doesn't think Finn/Rey are as close as TFN guy is saying. He seems to think it's more friendly, but later acknowledges some flirtation. He thinks Finn not being FS is conclusive although it's never stated in the movie.
He also seems to imply that Han is a bigger role in this movie than expected. From what I can tell, the Rey > Han > Finn idea seems to hold true, at least after they actually find Han. He views Finn as a comedic sidekick, notes his humor a lot.
Poe/Phasma/Hux not in the movie much.
Calls Snoke a "gigantic smeagol" because he appears as a big hologram.
I haven't gone through everything. But both seem to, at least loosely, agree with the pastebin (But both seem to have some differences with one another). Could all be bullshit. I dunno.
I'm...maybe starting to believe the coma theory.
I'm gonna go ahead and post it. We'll find out in like 2 days anyways.
Reading some things on TFN. I'm not even registered, and I can't verify anything. But some guy is dropping some supposed spoilers...they seem to match the pastebin.
This guy claims to have gotten information from his friends who went to the premier. They seemed to have liked it.
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/...opening-post-before-posting.50034871/page-102
http://boards.theforce.net/threads/daisy-ridley-rey-in-episode-vii.50019976/page-1288
Finn -
The movie simply doesn't say whether he's force sensitive, but he's good with the lightsaber (That could just be his friends being impressed with the choreography) Says that he goes "from coward to hero" and seemed to think it was a decent arc. Coma at end of movie. Rey takes him with her to visit Luke, while he's still in a coma (I guess he stays on the falcon with Chewie?)
Rey -
We don't know who her parents are. They are only glimpsed briefly, it's a question for a later film. Rey/Finn actually are crushing on each other. Hints that Rey takes Kylo's arm in their duel.
Then there's this :
https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsLeaks/comments/3wv3c2/gameday_thread_star_wars_premiere/
https://www.reddit.com/user/barrygibbFan
- Seemed down on the movie, but once again, matches the pastebin. He posted his ticket/nametag thing.
He says a bunch of stuff. Kylo isn't as good as he lets on. That his real name really is Ben.
Says the fight plays out as : Kylo knocks out Rey. Finn stands up to him. Kylo knocks the saber out of Finn's hand. When Kylo see's it's Anakins saber, he tries to force pull it, but Rey actually force pulls it first (She's stronger with the force). Rey cuts HIS hand off. Doesn't say how Finn gets hurt.
Seems to be a little discrepancy. The reddit poster doesn't think Finn/Rey are as close as TFN guy is saying. He seems to think it's more friendly, but later acknowledges some flirtation. He thinks Finn not being FS is conclusive although it's never stated in the movie.
He also seems to imply that Han is a bigger role in this movie than expected. From what I can tell, the Rey > Han > Finn idea seems to hold true, at least after they actually find Han. He views Finn as a comedic sidekick, notes his humor a lot.
Poe/Phasma/Hux not in the movie much.
Calls Snoke a "gigantic smeagol" because he appears as a big hologram.
I haven't gone through everything. But both seem to, at least loosely, agree with the pastebin (But both seem to have some differences with one another). Could all be bullshit. I dunno.
I'm...maybe starting to believe the coma theory.
Kitschkraft
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My apologies for that being a big wall of random ass text. You're probably better off just clicking the links and reading the pages yourself. Wanna emphasize that I don't know any of those people, and everything could be a troll, but who knows.
Thought this was interesting
@ericvespe
Last Star Wars tweet before I sleep: Easily 90% of the rumors you've heard about the movie up until tonight are complete horseshit.
So it's seems universally that the movie is pretty good and on par with the OT. Some issues (it's sounds like it doesn't explain everything (joy of having it be a trilogy). But honestly coming into the showing I am seeing Thursday night.. It sounds exactly all I need to know about it.
@ericvespe
Last Star Wars tweet before I sleep: Easily 90% of the rumors you've heard about the movie up until tonight are complete horseshit.
So it's seems universally that the movie is pretty good and on par with the OT. Some issues (it's sounds like it doesn't explain everything (joy of having it be a trilogy). But honestly coming into the showing I am seeing Thursday night.. It sounds exactly all I need to know about it.
Why did 3PO have a silver leg?
Not everything has to be explained. Even then, the important things that DO need explaining, have another two films to allow for answers.
I don't think anyone ever really expected a deep look into the Knights of Ren, Snoke, the First Order. Much like how ESB and ROTJ helped flesh out our ideas of the Empire, Vader, the Emperor etc, I'd expect 8 and 9 to do the same with this trilogies factions. You expect the film to help build the foundation though.
This film needs to be about introducing the new characters, and following their story, and not getting tied up with trying to show too much outside of that. TPM tries to show too much, and we ended up with a film with no real central protagonist.
There's things in this pastebin that are either misleading, or wrong. Poe, for instance, has been seen in multiple trailers in between Jakku and Starkiller; his squadron attack Maz's castle. The FO attack it, Han and Chewie are seen with their hands above their head, and see something in the distance. Cue Poe's "Woo-hoo!" from the teaser (we've also seen the cloud rolling across the water in another shot". They help our heroes out in that scene, so we know for sure that Por doesn't go missing until the Starkiller Base attack.
Finn being in a coma for the rest of the movie is misleading; that occurs right at the end, after he duels Kylo in the forest. That makes it sound like he's out of most of the last act or whatever, when the reality is, after that forest duel, he will probably just be seen recuperating in a medical unit somewhere (like Luke is at the end of ESB). We've known for a while that Kylo beats Finn, fucks him up, and Rey continues the fight.
digoutyoursoul
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They never explained his leg
30 years have passed, there are bound to be a lot of changes to a lot of the characters we know and love. I don't know, some people prefer exposition like that and others don't - and that's fine. But, for me, to stop the action and pacing of the core story to explain something as random as a red arm would be as irritating as it is for them not explaining it to you.
I don't know, obviously there is a reasoning he has a different coloured arm, to not even explain it for a mere few seconds is odd to me. I'm not saying they have explain everything in long winded detail either. I get that, it drags on the pacing.
Look at his next tweet. He says he knows nothing about recent rumors. He means rumors from a long time ago.
I see. It would be very nice if someone can explain to me how one becomes a Jedi, if using the Force isn't even enough to be considered a Jedi.
I don't remember the old trilogy that much even though I watched it a month ago. Unfortunately my memory isn't that strong.
Kitschkraft
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Yeah, I'm imagining he's talking about shit like "Luke = Kylo".
The shotlist/MSW stuff didn't seem like it ever really found any footing outside of specific communities truly dedicated to spoilers.
Edit : Beaten by kuros.
I think it has to do with "facing the trials". Luke's trial was facing Vader the second time. He was tempted by the dark side, there, and tapped into it to best Vader when he taunted Luke about his friends and sister. He then rejected it and cast his blade away. Perhaps that is the mark of a Jedi Knight.
The Jedi and the Sith are just two orders of force users, anyway. I know the old canon had more. In terms of new canon, the Nightsisters and Knights of Ren are two dark side orders that aren't Sith. Who is to say that there aren't similar organisations that are not Jedi?
So Jedi can be considered a faction within the good side of the force. Just like Knights of Ren and Sith are two different factions of the dark side?
I'm just speculating, but that is what I have always thought. I don't know what's canon any more, but Dooku left the Jedi Order and became one of the "Lost Twenty" - masters who left the ranks of the Jedi. Ashoka from the Clone Wars also never returned to the Jedi Order after she was expelled. I'm not sure if Kanan considers himself a Jedi either. Then there are the Inquisitors who are dark side users, but not Sith. It makes sense I guess.
Posted on the 10th by a guest account. Which apparently makes it uneditable.
Pastbin is totally legit. Not only you can't edit guest account but the cached version is exactly the same.
Below is a snapshot of the Web page as it appeared on 10/12/2015
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=ht...lang=en-US&w=T3b8jUt3RK-jW7rML1kwKWFFPYffKkmj
Below is a snapshot of the Web page as it appeared on 10/12/2015
http://cc.bingj.com/cache.aspx?q=ht...lang=en-US&w=T3b8jUt3RK-jW7rML1kwKWFFPYffKkmj
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Luke possibly never had a son so maybe Leia and Han decided to honour the memory of Ben instead. Han knew him and Leia at least knew of him since she sent him a message in ANH.
Doesn't seem that far-fetched.
Haha, removed reference to Ben and now it looks like its going to be his name.
chesspieceface
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This is fodder for the expanded universe to explain. Just like the scar on Anakin's face in the prequels, Lucas explicitly said it was there for no more reason than to give some material to the EU to come up with a backstory for it.
Leia didn't even knew him as Ben but as Obi-Wan. Guess Obi or Wan Solo would be to on the nose.
The Elite
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I don't even understand why.
soundscream
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Ben Solo sounds better than Kylo Solo.
Did you think it was lazy when Threepio randomly got a silver leg in the OT and it was never explained?
Looks like it. Got details such as Artoo and opening line right days before we learned of them. We have now has multiple other sources verify his other points. All evidence says it was the real deal.
OK probably changed back to pastebin being legit in my mind. It's been a full on day so I'm allowed to flip-flop a bit lol.
They obviously got some details wrong like with Poe, but considering we have no idea of how they viewed the movie (it was the 10th after all), I think it's fair to guess that they might not have paid perfect attention and/or had a less than perfect memory of minor things.
They obviously got some details wrong like with Poe, but considering we have no idea of how they viewed the movie (it was the 10th after all), I think it's fair to guess that they might not have paid perfect attention and/or had a less than perfect memory of minor things.
Nothing about what he says about Poe seems wrong. It matches everything we know so far regarding Poes role
ViewtifulJC
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gonna laugh when he calls my dude Ben
I thought Poe showed up at Maz's castle attack?
digoutyoursoul
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I honestly never even noticed it before it's been mentioned here. So it started from a A new hope on onwards?
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The Elite
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Now he gets to be like his hero.
The x-wings do but based on shot list we don't actually see him outside a cockpit till the resistance base. Hard to distinguish anyone in those sort of cockpit only shots.
digoutyoursoul
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He seems annoyed, unimpressed. Best to just see it for yourself. He's not enthralled but we could be.
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