I think that is something that came from the EU. You definitely wouldn't be able to become as adept with one as someone who is force sensitive.
Lol no problem. And no Luke is not evil/dark/jar jar/kylo ren
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I think that is something that came from the EU. You definitely wouldn't be able to become as adept with one as someone who is force sensitive.
Lol no problem. And no Luke is not evil/dark/jar jar/kylo ren
MHWilliams
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I mean, I'm not going to lie. My shit was completely emotional. I'm sure he'll be a perfectly fine character, but this shit:
Set off beautiful black Jedi feelings within. The same kind this guy almost ignited before he got punked and thrown off a ledge.
It's a personal thing for me, as a kid who remembers watching the original trilogy in theaters the first time around. To learn it's fake out? Disappointing.
Cabbagehead
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Like females like to see Female characters in a main role with meaning (For the little girls and all that). People of color like to see characters of color with meaning do something meaningful and not just be a 'That Guy".
It's a personal thing for me, as a kid who remembers watching the original trilogy in theaters the first time around. To learn it's fake out? Disappointing.
Don't get me started on that shit.
Being breathless, as in hectic, is something that I never particular liked about the Abrams Star Treks and MI3.
Okay? But that's a bit different than saying the film is 22 jump street to you unless the black guy is a Jedi.
In that case all of Guatemala should boycott the film.
Smh, the idea of someone being interested in a film because of the potential of not having another cookie cutter Caucasian kid as the Jedi hero is crazy? Unbelievable.
Bobby Roberts
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Finn absolutely takes it to Kylo. He talks shit, and then he rushes him. And he holds his own (and even gets the upper hand for a very brief moment) before shit goes sideways on him.
He lasts longer against Kylo than Anakin did against Dooku, for example.
He might not be force sensitive (and it doesn't seem to be the case) but he's definitely heroic in this film.
He lasts longer against Kylo than Anakin did against Dooku, for example.
He might not be force sensitive (and it doesn't seem to be the case) but he's definitely heroic in this film.
Cabbagehead
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Jedi or Master or Badass Bounty Hunter.
Meaningful role
aka not just dying in a shitty way half way through the film series.
The fact that a single detail like that in a film is the one thing that tips the scale of whether or not you like it, is undeniably crazy.
Poe had a ton of his part of the script cut to give Ford more screen time. He's not white. Let's rage!
TheKaeptain
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I mean, I'm not going to lie. My shit was completely emotional. I'm sure he'll be a perfectly fine character, but this shit:
Set off beautiful black Jedi feelings within. The same kind this guy almost ignited before he got punked and thrown off a ledge.
It's a personal thing for me, as a kid who remembers watching the original trilogy in theaters the first time around. To learn it's fake out? Disappointing.
It's not a fake out. Go watch the trailers. Everything points to Rey being like Luke. You just let yourself get emotional about a character you knew nothing about.
MHWilliams
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Honestly, my original hope was that the "Force Awakens" referred to all three leads being force sensitive in some manner, though it was clear that Rey was probably going to be the strongest.
I mean, of course it's a fake out. Everyone has a special connection to the image of using a lightsaber and they were playing it up in marketing. It was a matter of holding onto some surprise in most viewers undoubtedly. I don't really fault them for that.
I mean, of course it's a fake out. Everyone has a special connection to the image of using a lightsaber and they were playing it up in marketing. It was a matter of holding onto some surprise in most viewers undoubtedly. I don't really fault them for that.
What about getting knocked unconscious half way through?
Only if by "evil" you mean "cute."
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Edit: the 22 Jump Street comment is what got people's taint tickled? That movie was fun.
So is it a really intense fight(like in ESB and ROTJ)? Like shit goes down kind of thing for a few minutes?
Cool. It makes sense to me for Finn to lose to Kylo considering how powerful Kylo is supposed to be, but I found the initial rumors that Finn got blanked by him to be lame. It's good to hear he at least puts up a decent fight.
Michael F. Assbender
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Well there are those scenes where he viciously attacks
our hearts
love
lol Anakin lasted like five seconds
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I've been wondering why they decided to make this desert planet that basically seems like Tatooine actually a different one called Jakku. Is there a damn good reason story wise why it's so similar but not the same place?
Nostalgia
Cabbagehead
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Its undeniably scientific though, human beings are programmed to like something more if they see someone of their own or close to their own skin color.
But at the end of the day, what exactly will be his purpose be in the next film. Did you get any inkling about that? Because in the OT we general knew what Leia and Han were going to do after the end. An we knew what luke was going to do generally.
With Finn kind of blowing his load early, what's left for him to do as a person in Star Wars after being badly wounded. Is he a interesting enough character to care about where he might go. Since he was awakened and now he's back to being asleep while everyone else does their thing.
Doubt it. They just wanted to do the same thing (Tatooine, Hoth, Rebels, Empire, Sith) slightly rejiggered (Jakku, Starkiller, Resistance, First Order, Knights of Ren).
I have a feeling everything not explained in this movie will probably end up being explained in a comic, novel, videogame or other form of media anyway.
Big problem with your argument though.
Like something more != Like something at all. Which was my point.
Geonosis is also a desert planet. And it's actually closer to Tatooine in landscape than Jakku.
Michael F. Assbender
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It's like poetry. So that they rhyme. Every stanza kinda rhymes with the last one.
TheOctodad
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What? Same goes for Han at the end of ESB essentially. He comes back and does some awesome shit in ROTJ.
The other movies haven't even been written yet, but you can bet Finn will likely play a pivotal and main role in the next few. The fact that he ended this one on a heroic and self-sacrificial note, would only further his popularity.
There's actually another one introduced in one of the new Force Awakens short stories, called Pomenah. Desert planet in the Outer Rim (the default place for "strange" planets nowadays in the SW universe), full of pirates, etc.
phazedplasma
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What does Han do that's awesome in RotJ?
I mean he kind of leads the team that disabled the shield around the death star 2.
Cabbagehead
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To be honest i rather Finn not be fighting Kylo should have just gave Rey the saber. Given she's obliviously going to do a better job.
Rather then be knocked unconscious after not finishing the job, two times in a row. Seems pointless, its the kind of stuff i would close a scfi book or fantasy book i'm reading if i saw it coming.
I mean what does he actually do that's of merit other then showing his traits and being the stories sacrificial lamb.
Edit: Of course Han came back and does some cool stuff but he actually did some meaningful things before that. Stuff that matters. ^^
There's a difference between going down like a jabroni like halfway through the first film versus getting taken down in the middle of the trilogy. Han didn't really do much awesome stuff in VI >.>
TheKaeptain
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Outside of him having the light saber none of the trailers have pointed to him being the lead. Sagas are poetry with repeating themes and motifs. Everything they've shown involving Rey points to her being the new Luke.
TheOctodad
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I feel like you guys are jumping the gun on Finn far too quickly. But go ahead.
1 movie doesn't equal the trilogy. People rise and fall in scope each movie all the time.
1 movie doesn't equal the trilogy. People rise and fall in scope each movie all the time.
Cabbagehead
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Different people have different outlooks on how they view media and their criteria.
TheKaeptain
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Yep and Finn is ending at the bottom which means one thing in Storytelling. He's going to go higher.
phazedplasma
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Lol. Chewie and his ewok friends did more on endor then Han ever did.
RotJ was character assassination of Han. And why Ford was so cold on Star Wars for so long.
I mean, I'm not going to lie. My shit was completely emotional. I'm sure he'll be a perfectly fine character, but this shit:
Set off beautiful black Jedi feelings within. The same kind this guy almost ignited before he got punked and thrown off a ledge.
It's a personal thing for me, as a kid who remembers watching the original trilogy in theaters the first time around. To learn it's fake out? Disappointing.
Well, I understand the pain. I think the problem is really that of expectations though. I agree they should not "troll" audiences by showing a person with a lightsaber in the ads only for it not to be representative of the role. Especially when it creates expectations of minority representation in a superhero role. It's not fair.
In the same vein, different people have different outlooks on what makes people crazy.
MHWilliams
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Well yeah. But I wasn't talking about him being the lead. Merely about the fact that for 99% of people, lightsaber=Jedi. I'm sure marketing knew that and wanted to lead you in that direction. Hence... Fake out.
And some of those outlooks are idiotic.
More to the point though, having a minority being presented in a superhero to only to be a fake out chump might make people not really care about the film.
Cabbagehead
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Pretty much, you don't get that with the non minority roles in these type's of movies. You don't get the fake out like that. Usually the role they are portraying in the marketing, is the role they are playing on screen for better or worse.
Though in this case its a bit more then disingenuous, given the context of whose saber it is that Finn's holding. An the trailer spots and posters and toys...etc
He only has the saber and uses it without much of any successful. Going by what people are saying.
TheOctodad
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Exactly. Finn is the underdog with a heroic heart. He is the one who overcomes his fears, follows his morality and overcomes it and sacrifices himself because he has found himself.
What does that mean for him in the next two movies? Typically it means this character will continue to rise and eventually lead and maybe become more important than the hero themselves. Frodo with Sam is a good example (don't overthink this analogy, I'm talking general arcs). Ron Weasley would be another in a sense.
I don't think that's the case at all. I think they marketed him with the lightsaber because he actually has it and uses it in more scenes than Rey. They obviously didn't want to reveal that Rey fights with it at the end so they did not have her with it in any marketing.
Which is why they kept having sites take down the pictures of the Rey with lightsaber figure that leaked.
When exactly did you go to see the film?
I wonder though, if they could go on a more interesting direction with Finn in the long run. Can a person who is not force sensitive but has the will to want to be part of something greater eventually train himself to become attuned with the force? Is it something you can "learn" if you're not born into it? Mythos so far tells us no, but what if he finds a way?
Cabbagehead
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Well he is in a coma. Maybe Maz helps him a bit.
Didn't they try to do that already? with Peter coming back from the dead or something.
Pls no force bonds. Those were creepy enough in KOTOR.
MHWilliams
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You don't think the average person thinks Lightsaber=Jedi?
Possible, but it's likely that he's meant to be like Han was in the original trilogy. An unpowered hero/rogue who finds himself in the middle of something much bigger.
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