TheOctodad
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Do you really think he'll be in a coma for 2 more movies? Not dead, just a coma?
He'll be back early next movie no doubt.
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Do you really think he'll be in a coma for 2 more movies? Not dead, just a coma?
He'll be back early next movie no doubt.
He's in a coma at the end of the movie. So unless this happens over the course of Episode 8, I doubt it. Even then I imagine,
TheOctodad
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Why does it matter really? Who cares what the average person assumes? The message of these movies should be that heroes are not Jedi/non Jedi. It's people who act heroicly.
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Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
If Finn really isn't Force-sensitive and that's what goes down, then Kylo got that homeopathic Skywalker blood. No wonder he's so angry. It would actually make him more interesting to me.
Finn probably wasn't even trained in melee weapons. That seems to be a specialty. Those weapons are definitely not standard issue for Stormtroopers.
Kitschkraft
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I followed everything, and there was definitely a time when I was expecting something more from Finn.
https://www.instagram.com/p/65PhxOs_RH/
In retrospect, can you really blame some of us for feeling like this may be a bit of a letdown?
And it's not just stuff directly related to LF. I saw so much interviews, magazines, youtube videos, etc making it seem like this was some sort of duo. They were often marketed as co-stars on some sort of equal footing.
Ultimately, I'll just have to judge for myself. But even the early hype doesn't seem to be pointing to Finn making much of an impact here.
Cabbagehead
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It could happen. It would only make sense really given personally i don't know how they will lead him into the new story. He doesn't have a ship, he doesn't have a companion (Unless BB-8 stays with him but i doubt it) anymore, he doesn't really have a reputation unless you factor in Phasma and his Duel with Ren (but we know how that ends). Since Rey could be or would be on her path to Luke.
TheOctodad
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Lol at anyone who thinks the coma will lay longer than the first 1/3 of the next movie.
TheKaeptain
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Most people I know could tell from the trailers that Rey was going to be the lead. Mainly because she was an orphan on a desert planet. Then they showed how scared Finn looked when fighting Ren. There's Rey screaming over his body. All of that is told in the trailers. Visually. The problem is you were so worried about your expectations for the movie you couldn't sit back and see what was right in front of you.
Your expectations fucked you.
I don't care what the average person thinks. I am saying they had Finn with the lightsaber in marketing because he actually in fact has the lightsaber in a large portion of the film. Or at least larger than the few minutes Rey has it.
They literally could not show anything from the movie with Rey having the lightsaber because it would ruin the final fight. And you pretty much have to show Finn with it because you would barely have any footage to use otherwise.
Cabbagehead
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Hey its not are fault that they choose to go in that direction.
Honestly it seems like Finn doesn't use it that much either.
Yeah because there's this international law which says movie trailers must contain footage from the final fight in the movie. Yup.
MHWilliams
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Once again, what does this have to do with being the lead? I'm not even sure where that part of your argument is coming from, since it's not something I stated at any point in time.
Cabbagehead
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uh? I just said that Maz could help him be in tuned with the Force, since he's in a coma, depending on how much time has passed. He would be out of that coma by then at that point and on his journey to force sensitive. Since he now his real live jedi combat experience for the most part.
Michael F. Assbender
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He's in a coma at the end of the movie. So unless this happens over the course of Episode 8, I doubt it. Even then I imagine,
Han was frozen in carbonite at the end of Empire. He got better. And went on to be perhaps the most popular hero of the OT.
Let's see how this trilogy plays out before drowning in disappointment and demanding answers.
Force bonds aren't a thing after Disney destroyed the EU, unless they choose to bring it back at least. This movie's probably going to be a wash anyway if Finn goes down halfway through the film and it has as much retreading as it looks.
You see Finn with the lightsaber in way more than the final fight. Not only the Takodana fight but it's also on his belt in several shots.
Lol what are you even talking about. Finn goes down at the end of the movie. And he's not dead.
TheOctodad
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I think he's saying that the only options of displaying the blue lightsaber were Finn or the finally fight with Rey. They didn't want to spoil the final confrontation so they showed it from another part.
Han didn't become a Force Sensitive in RotJ.
More_Badass
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Still two movies to go. This movie introduces Finn the stormtrooper, his disillusion with the First Order, meeting Rey and Han and the rest, etc.
It's the first act in a three part story
How can you say that there isn't something more to Finn when we dont even know his whole story?
Han was shit in ROTJ lol.
TheOctodad
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This is not a 1-1 trilogy, you realize this right?
Some of you are making mountains out of molehills here. You are being illogically presumptive and pessimistic.
Michael F. Assbender
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Nope. But he got the girl and went down in history as a beloved character who people still consider perhaps the best in the trilogy.
Someone has to be a Jedi to be a good character now?
Cabbagehead
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TheOctodad
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"This book sucks."
"Did you finish it?"
"No but I read 3 chapters and my favorite character isn't the hero yet."
Kid Kamikaze10
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No, I'm not going to let this "just wait it out guys" argument fly, because I've seen it backfire so much when it comes to minority characters.
Guys, if you don't like what you're hearing, it's ok to decide not to watch the film. Hell, it's okay to quit the series until you hear something that piques your interest.
It's fine. Spend money on stuff that actually gives you what you want.
I'm still going to watch the movie because there's still some appealing stuff to me, but for those who've lost interest, that's fine.
Guys, if you don't like what you're hearing, it's ok to decide not to watch the film. Hell, it's okay to quit the series until you hear something that piques your interest.
It's fine. Spend money on stuff that actually gives you what you want.
I'm still going to watch the movie because there's still some appealing stuff to me, but for those who've lost interest, that's fine.
Pretty much. As mentioned earlier, the series isn't known for its rich development of side characters.
MHWilliams
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Entirely possible! I certainly am not hating on the film! I'm glad Rey is a Jedi, as it was also one of the things I was hoping for in the film and the one I expected the most.
Doesn't mean I'm not voicing potential disappointment with Finn's situation in this film. I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I'll keep on trucking, like when they hard iced my boy Jacen Solo over the course of one long book series. If Finn is the Solo, I'll be disappointed and move on just fine.
Never forget, Jacen.
Someone stronger? I mean, isn't getting owned part of the traditional hero's journey anyway?
orthodoxy1095
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Personally, him not being initially Force sensitive sounds infinitely more interesting to me than just another strong Force user.
The trailer even shows that Finn looks like he has no idea what he is doing with the lightsaber so people who have seen the trailer wont have expectations of him being a "superhero". This is utterly ridiculous, we don't need pulp action movies to save us from social injustices by having someone of a specific race save the galaxy using their special powers. How about just enjoying the movie without focusing on such nonsense, after all they are all aliens in a galaxy far far away... Plus, isn't it more heroic if Finn ends up helping to save the galaxy without having to rely on the crutch of Jedi super powers ;p.
Kind of like when Luke killed himself after getting whooped in Empire?
Michael F. Assbender
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In a planned trilogy, that's not a crazy thought.
"Why didn't Frodo destroy the ring at the end of Fellowship?? I demand answers!"
Cabbagehead
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Luke didn't get owned into a coma.
Luke also wasn't a non force sensitive person using a brand new weapon. But he still got owned.
They/he was train in melds weapons. He said it in and interview and its talked about in the "Before the awakening book" coming out Friday.
It would awesome if he somehow obtains the force because he seeks it with good intentions so that the force awakens him. I still believe that the end of this saga will have many force users everywhere.
Would he even really have that latitude.
So we can clarify...you do in fact realize the Finn fight doesn't take place half way through the movie right?
Considering I was replying to duckroll about a person 'becoming' Force Sensitive...
Of course a person doesn't have to become a Jedi to be a good character however at this point, what is Finn's character arc over the next two films? We know where Rey is headed but Finn becomes more courageous and then promptly gets put on ice while everybody else gets power ups in the mean time.
Cabbagehead
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How many people of color in a scfi movie have you seen save the galaxy? let alone a scfi book.
TheOctodad
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That logic actually works too, so you can have it.
If the critique is that the character you love isn't a hero in book one. I can point to dozens of stories that pull a character out of trad fest and transform them by the end. Hell, most of them start out very similar to Finn.
Other critiques? Fine. Don't want to see the movie? Fine. But arguing that a person doesn't have a full heroic arc in a single part of a trilogy is patently absurd.
Michael F. Assbender
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Nah. He just had his dominant hand lopped off. No biggie.
It could literally happen at the very end, it doesn't change anything.
Cabbagehead
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Hey he got a bad ass mechanical hand. That he can fling around with and or punch with.
Seems like a sick deal in return.
What are Finn's prospect? The chick leaves on her own journey (a journey that should have started a long time ago), he's in medical bay in a coma and he doesn't have a bad ass saber anymore. Doesn't even have a blaster maybe.
But hey i run away from the First Order and fought Kylo ren.
After the Chinese marketing, I have no faith.
Wait for the next movie, it's a trilogy, etc
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