As people love to point out when it benefits them, this isn't the OT.
And as far as I can tell absolutely nobody who has posted here thinks Finn is going to be in a coma for even half of Ep.8. I don't know why people keep bringing up that strawman.
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As people love to point out when it benefits them, this isn't the OT.
And as far as I can tell absolutely nobody who has posted here thinks Finn is going to be in a coma for even half of Ep.8. I don't know why people keep bringing up that strawman.
Freewheelin'
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So its entirely irrelevant to complain about something you won't see. He has a good arc which solidifies his change from storm trooper to hero, and then we'll see what happens to him in 8 and 9. I don't understand where this negativity is coming from, it's mind boggling.
He explains why it matters. Go back and read it again if you missed it.
Cabbagehead
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Its doesn't matter if he thinks the character isn't a throwaway character. That's good and all but given the context in which, he is basing it off of and what he his described. It does not sound like a non throwaway character to me. Plus the reactions after hearing that, in this thread about Finn is not encouraging in fun or not.
But watching may change that or it may not.
And another person who has seen it says he is. The Boston Review that was posted earlier seemingly dislike Finn's character altogether. There were also the Twitter impressions that largely downplayed Finn as well.
Freewheelin'
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Han gets frozen in carbonite. Did anyone call him a sidekick? Did anyone say the sole purpose of him being frozen was so Luke could save him? Was it not a good ending? Was it not satisfying when Luke saved him?
Would you be complaining if he was white?
Kasdan and Abrams have said that Finn was written long before they considered race. Boyega is playing a character, not a black character. This is the start of his character arc. Why is changing from villain to hero and taking on a real powerful dark side user in a brave attempt to save the day so sacrilegious?
Faraci's review wasn't bad. He said like all JJ movies the story has problems, but the characters are great and JJ is fantastic at casting.
Said Rey vs Kylo is the second best saber scene behind Darth Maul bc of the story it tells.
Said the dog fights are uninspired along with most of the movie. Too much trying to recreate the past instead of making something new.
Also said making Luke the macguffin is a little weird.
Said Rey vs Kylo is the second best saber scene behind Darth Maul bc of the story it tells.
Said the dog fights are uninspired along with most of the movie. Too much trying to recreate the past instead of making something new.
Also said making Luke the macguffin is a little weird.
Han didn't get frozen in the first film for the sole purpose of elevating Luke and to pass on the lightsaber.
Han is a sidekick and people have complained about the rescue subplot in RotJ. A lot of people.
You literally have stuff like this coming out: The "Jackie Robinson of Jedis": 'Black-ish' Creator Anoints 'Star Wars' Star John Boyega (Guest Column)
You mean to tell me that Lucasfilm had no clue what the reaction was going to be? Or maybe they didn't care as long as they got the minorities in the seats.
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When was Han the sacrificial lamb (other then being the person captured ala leia) or led to be believe to be a force user or a jedi or what have you? When did he have combat with a saber only to use it and on his failing. Ultimately be the carrier for the macguffin and for the hero to finally do what the hero should have done in the first place and take the saber.
Cabbagehead
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That makes no sense when, yoda is the macguffin to luke.
It's not the same. In ESB. Oni Wan tells him to go see Yoda and he finds him and spends half the movie with him. No searching involved he just goes there.
In TFA they're literally looking for Luke the whole movie as a side plot.
Good to see this thread took a nose dive. We were having so much fun!
Not long now until we can all form our own opinions, and not have secondhand knee-jerk reactions.
I don't see the problem with the slight bait and switch when it comes to Finn. Apart from the teaser, from a time where we knew nothing, each trailer has reinforced that Finn uses the lightsaber, and that there's more to Rey than meets the eye. Maybe it's looking at it from spoilered mind, but I never thought Finn would be force sensitive.
Not long now until we can all form our own opinions, and not have secondhand knee-jerk reactions.
I don't see the problem with the slight bait and switch when it comes to Finn. Apart from the teaser, from a time where we knew nothing, each trailer has reinforced that Finn uses the lightsaber, and that there's more to Rey than meets the eye. Maybe it's looking at it from spoilered mind, but I never thought Finn would be force sensitive.
Cabbagehead
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Maybe i missed something but i don't remember them saying that. Especially given their ending remarks.
Though a time stamp would be nice.
Moff
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as I said months ago, when it became clear that Finn would only be the funny sidekick of the new trio and not the main hero. I understand the pain of the people who finally hoped to see a minority as the star in a huge franchise. I get it. But if I had to pick between the two, I would have chosen Rey as well, because I think fiction is in more need of strong female leads, and Rey will be awesome.
I also think it's much worse that they cast Lupita Nyong'o, let me rephrase that, academy award winner Lupita Nyong'o to voice a cgi character. Have we even *seen* a black woman in any of the 6 old movies?
On the other hand, I still can't believe they're making Rey/Finn a couple, that is all kinds of incredible.
I hope they turn him into a reverse damsel in distress trope in episode 8 and Rey needs to fight the dragon and save "princess" Finn.
I also think it's much worse that they cast Lupita Nyong'o, let me rephrase that, academy award winner Lupita Nyong'o to voice a cgi character. Have we even *seen* a black woman in any of the 6 old movies?
On the other hand, I still can't believe they're making Rey/Finn a couple, that is all kinds of incredible.
I hope they turn him into a reverse damsel in distress trope in episode 8 and Rey needs to fight the dragon and save "princess" Finn.
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Read about 7 or 8 reviews , Phasma no where to be found in them. Really must have small part.
I read she has 5 minutes of screentime.
I agree with you. The bellyaching over Finn in these threads is embarrassing. He will be in future films and has plenty more time to shine. Boyega seems ecstatic with everything to do with his involvement, he's not being shorted. I think we should be celebrating this film for its diversity personally. Representation doesn't guarantee a character gets to be the most badass in their scenes. Sam Jackson got to, though (except for one scene out of many!) and I also think it's worth appreciating that we have a female lead character
who gets to stand up and defend the male co-lead,
SolicitorPirate
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So I wanted to talk about how happy I was to see a female lead in a major sci fi franchise, but looking at the direction this thread is going, I think I'll come back later.
Freewheelin'
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Why is it a problem that Nyong'o is CGI and not Serkis?
Cabbagehead
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Because Serkis being CGI is his thing and most of his career is built around that. An more to that fact as he mentioned there are no black females in Star wars movie wise.
Its funny that praise for being diverse is something to be praised for. When it should be a forgone conclusion.
I know right? Star Wars is seriously lacking white British men.
Freewheelin'
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So Serkis isn't allowed to step out of his box and diversify because that's what he's known for?
Lupita is known for playing a slave. Now she's playing a cool force using space pirate. That's acting.
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Cabbagehead
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Seriously? freaking stop with the illogical fallacies.
Yep for sure totally in this movie, voice and name.
Moff
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I find it hard to believe that someone would seriously ask that.
Again, let's keep in mind that we have not seen a black woman in star wars before, which is 6 movies by now. then we get the news that the beautiful and very talented Lupita will be in the movie, and then she voices a cgi character? you don't get how that's disappointing? this has nothing to do with serkis at all, I don't even understand why you would come to that connection.
I mean I remember then Lupita's casting was announced, I think the first rumours were that she would be Luke's top student. How awesome would that have been? a black jedi girl kicking ass. and now she is voicing an alien. it's not only a huge waste of an academy award winner, which is weird in itself, but it's just another disappointment for people who once had hopes that minorities would shine in this movie.
I mean, obviously it's not bad for the movie, it can't hurt that an academy award winner voices Maz, but still, if that doesn't convince you what's wrong with that, I can't do it any better.
It's one of the reasons they should.
I think it's just that people wanted him to go to the Sarlacc Pit, get Boba's Armor and become the ultimate badass by the end of the film shooting up the entire Starkiller Base by himself and then coming home to Rey laying on the bed in Slave Leia costume.
I mean come on people. Finn is heavily featured in advertising that clearly served the purpose to keep Rey's moment with the lightsaber hidden. He's the first new character you saw in the very first trailer. And I have every confidence that he will have a big part to play in the rest of the trilogy
Cabbagehead
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They should have did that a long time go.
Don't even act like this is a good reason.
Freewheelin'
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Why is it a waste of an Academy-Award winner?
Is Serkis being wasted in mo-cap? In this or LOTR or the Apes movies? Is Zoe Saldana wasted in Avatar?
It's acting. It's still acting.
Is Serkis being wasted in mo-cap? In this or LOTR or the Apes movies? Is Zoe Saldana wasted in Avatar?
It's acting. It's still acting.
BossDarkseid
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Maybe they think Mark Hamill's voice acting isn't "acting"
Anyhoo....the reviews sound good. Nothing that's a negative is unexpected and the range of positives is quite encouraging. Seems like a solid base for Ep VIII/IX...and it seems good and fun, which is really what was wanted after the prequels, personally.
Finn will wake up in Episode 8 with a horn in his head, a robo-arm, and a robo-eye, and he'll lead the rogue mercenary outfit known as "Crystal Akk Dogs" comprised of defected Stormtroopers. Aboard their "Mother Ship" they will travel to the warzone and aid Rey and the Resistance in their fight against the Dark.
WOOOAAAHHH HOOOOOOOOO
WOOOAAAHHH HOOOOOOOOO
Cabbagehead
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Not like there's much more to talk about now. When more people have seen the film there'll be more to discuss. Until then this thread mostly serves to contain this stuff from other threads.
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Star Wars: A Coma Reborn
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Seeing that Rey is not confirmed a Skywalker and unlikely to be one has basically killed my hype by about 90%
Unless by some craziness she is related to Obi-wan.
Unless by some craziness she is related to Obi-wan.
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