Finn-Poe vs Finn-Rey, right? Rey and Poe didn't even really meet.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Finn-Poe vs Finn-Rey, right? Rey and Poe didn't even really meet.
well, the clever part is that it shoots through hyperspace, so it can stay rather stationary and should always have a fleet for protection, right? (no idea why it didn't ...)
And seeing that it was a planet, and seeing that the rebels don't have planet-destroying weaponry, they might have thought it was rather impenetrable.
Bad luck that the rebels always figure out some zero-day vulnerability. (this time around they had a guy who worked there. You might as well call it ... an inside job!)
dude, you're looking for sense in a Star Wars movie. And this isn't the "it's a movie lol" way of dismissing your critique. It's just that i don't think much of the stuff in the original trilogy made all that much more sense.
i don't want some forced romance.
but seeing that we're basically getting something of a female Space-Katniss-Harry-Potter hybrid here (which i'm totally fine with, btw), i think some sort of romance is rather inevitable.
The Finn-Poe bromance is fantastic so far. They had great chemistry during the little screen time they shared.
BewareTheBatsie
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I was confused during the movie about whether Finn and Rey's interactions were romantic or friendship.
Also Poe and Finn had a lot of affectionate hugs and touches while I don't think Rey talked with Poe at all, so if it happens, it better be Poe and Rey competing for Finn.
I think there was going to be scenes where she mentions a flight simulator she trained on on Jakku but maybe it was cut.
Kylo Ren was already injured by the time they fought and he was trying to recruit her initially not kill her.
More_Badass
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She may not have used a saber before, but she's already a skilled fighter and Force sensitive. Luke wasn't a skilled fighter when he first used light saber, while Rey's staff skills are well established throughout the film
That is a really poor grasp on what the Nazis did
JimmyRustler
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Well, Luke did have help from Obi Wan - even with the torpedo.
Kitschkraft
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Ouch. Sounds like Finn got slayed again.
BronsonLee
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Rey gonna be grabbing for that hand in Ep 9, dammit
If it is, Rian Johnson van hopefully pull it off. I said before how I like how this film planted the romance seeds.
Have you seen some of the tanks and subs they built?
All he did was tell him to trust his connection to the force...
after reading the spoilers of characters from people who seen it and said they had good chemistry
will this mean that we should start shipping finn poe over fin rey? might need to start the train now, it seems.
Nemesis_
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I know this sounds a bit dumb but has any of the "new" canon touched upon Leia and her force sensitivity? Is she even force sensitive?
I'd love to see Carrie Fisher pick up a lightsaber in one of the new films but I also can't see it happening.
Legit shocked that Han died though. I really thought they'd kill off all the newbies in one fell swoops but glad to see we'll have more of Luke and Leia in the future
I'd love to see Carrie Fisher pick up a lightsaber in one of the new films but I also can't see it happening.
Legit shocked that Han died though. I really thought they'd kill off all the newbies in one fell swoops but glad to see we'll have more of Luke and Leia in the future
Finn grabbing Rey's hand makes him feel like he is raised in a conservative society.
Which makes sense, in a way. The Nazis to whom the First Order is based were conservative. On the other hand, there's Phasma and other female officers, though i guess these two things do not rule each other out.
She's a Skywalker, there's no question about her Force-sensitivity. Heck, that is clearly established in RotJ, if not outright stated.
Which makes sense, in a way. The Nazis to whom the First Order is based were conservative. On the other hand, there's Phasma and other female officers, though i guess these two things do not rule each other out.
She's a Skywalker, there's no question about her Force-sensitivity. Heck, that is clearly established in RotJ, if not outright stated.
JimmyRustler
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Ok, right, I forgot about that staff thing... Hmm... Still not satisfied with the way it was staged but I can accept it.
IIRC, Leia is force sensitive. Wouldn't be surprised if she was as much as Luke.
yup, she knocks out 2 (3?) goons by simply using her staff. She doesn't start with her meelee weapon skill at level 0.
well, she "somehow always knew" that Luke was her brother.
and she did "sense" Luke hanging underneath Bespin, right?
They literally show you earlier how BAMF chewies bowcaster is and Kylo was injured by it.
She obviously knows how to fly a ship and she obviously knows melee combat (see first time when Finn sees her) probably both from where she was raised. Combine that with the force and possible repressed Jedi training that is hinted and you got some good enough answers.
Kylo is part of his Knights of Ren name, which has format [Assume name] [Ren].
The only thing Leia ever does is sense things. More of a mystic with the force than a fighter.
Help?
All Obiwan did was tell him to, basically, believe in himself.
Would that have been enough "explanation for you"? Imagine BB8 saying "you can do this, Rey!" when they board the Falcon. Problem solved.
You're kindasorta grasping at some straws here, man :/
interesting, Ben Ren would have sounded dorky. So good job changing the name.
BewareTheBatsie
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I wonder if Rey using a staff is a way to imply she might get a double-bladed lightsaber or are they going to give her Anakin/Luke's lightsaber? Luke didn't take it at the end so maybe it means wants her to have it.
Huw_Dawson
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Okay, let me tell you a story about me and Star Wars:
Man/Woman about my age: Oh man, I love Star Wars. Empire is my favourite movie.
Me (until two years ago): You know, I've never seen Star Wars.
Man/Woman: YOU'VE NEVER SEEN STAR WARS!?
This happened over and over again. Everyone my age other than me has seen Star Wars. I am 24 - a millennial, and the prime target for this movie's new fan base it wants to aquire.
I have seen ANH maybe twice, both in the last two years via Harmy Despecialized.
Star Wars is not Doctor Who. It isn't some long-lost show that needs to be re-introduced to the viewing public. EVERYONE has seen Star Wars.
This movie rips off a movie the vast majority of its viewing audience has seen at least once before. It feels almost like a con. "Here, we could have given you a new story, but here's the one you remember, with a new set of characters!" - It's totally baffling.
Also:
Given that you have a sympathetic badass in Finn, who I really, really, really liked in this movie, the fact that Raye is the main character is hilarious. She's a Mary Sue.
She flies it pretty terrible at first. But she mentions that she's a pilot as they're escaping Jakku. Maybe they could have established it better but it's the same for Luke in ANH, all we get is "I use to bullseye Wamprats in my old T16 back home!" before he aces the X-wing. I think some things like this just have to go in the 'suspend your disbelief' category. It's Star Wars, not Interstellar.
There is no chance in hell Disney will let Rian Johnson throw away millions in merchandise by having her keep using that lightsaber.
No staff lightsaber, please. Stick with exactly what she did at the end of this movie.
I loved the "medieval sword duel" like fighting style. I don't need overly choreographed fight-dances
The saber can play a part while having a new saber in the film.
Plus nothing prevents Disney/Lucasfilm from making Luke's old saber toys even with new stuff around.
Saberstaff doesn't inherently require fight-dance as you put it.
Then It would become the Anakin/Luke/Rey lightsaber.
There is about a -10% chance she doesn't get her own lightsaber.
see, the fact that you went for watching the Harmy Despecialized version makes it seem that you're a much different kind of viewer than the general audience this movie is trying to appeal to.
My girlfriend has watched Star Wars like 2-3 times with me now, she still always asks whether Empire or Return is the one with the Ewoks. Some people just don't care as much about this kind of stuff like you clearly do.
Well, i don't know. Even in GoT, where they have similar sword fighting choreography to TFA (imho), the dude with the double bladed staff weapon (the viper) does a lot of dumb dancy shit that i really don't fancy.
I don't mind being positively surprised, though.
I seem to have misread your post.
RobotNinjaHornets
Banned
Well that was basically what I needed it to be
Fuck I love Star Wars
Also fucking lol at Luke being in it for 30 seconds. That's amazing.
Fuck I love Star Wars
Also fucking lol at Luke being in it for 30 seconds. That's amazing.
JimmyRustler
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Look, what I want to say is that Luke's understanding and usage of the force felt much, much more natural than the one from Rey. For like 3/4 of the movie we don't even know that she has any powers and the suddenly they are even stronger than the one from Kylo.
I can't possibly be the only one who sees is that way.
Conrad Link
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That Lightsaber moment in the snow, what I've been hoping for since the character reveals! Yuuuuuuuuuuuus Rey! 
So cool.
So cool.
Pike-saber.
BewareTheBatsie
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They filmed some scenes in Ireland so the last scene I basically took one look at the green scenery and knew that this had to be what they were talking about. It's a nice setting, they'll likely return to it for the sequel.
That Lightsaber moment in the snow, what I've been hoping for since the character reveals! Yuuuuuuuuuuuus Rey!
So cool.
I loved that too.
The elder wand recognised Harry as it's true master
"There has been an awakening. Have you felt it?"
The Force Awakens.
Doesn't leave much room for interpretation, combined with the Force Vision of past.
Rey was part of Luke's Jedi, has had training. Probably suppressed memories, whether due to meddling with her mind or trauma.
Holy Balls.
Just came out of cinema.
Im kinda blown away at how good this movie is.
Sure, minor quircks here and there.
My impressions:
- just a tad bit too much humor maybe, most of it was fine though and i enjoyed it.
- lots and lots of parallels (not necessarily bad, but a bit too much for my taste)
- not feeling kylos non-masked appearence. I think a different actor would have been better. His face was totally not what i expected when he took of his mask. Masked, though, hes awesome!
- force usage from rey went from 0-100 with no training at all. dont think this is good. but didnt bother me too much.
- THANK GOD giant snooke turned out to be a hologram. before this reveal i was like "oh god, why?!"
- Hans death. Expected this. more inclined him dying early in ep 8 would have been better.
- for the most part TFA really felt like the OT! really feeling it!
- Awesome set pieces, especially on yakku with the crashed star destroyers and other destroyed gear.
- Starkiller base was sick, but honestly would have prefered them to think of a different kind of threat, not just a next level death star.
- music: light theme is super goose bump inducing. not completely feeling the first order theme just yet. lack of imperial march hurts, but makes sense of course.
- Coruscant: WHAT? oO
- K=H+L: knew it right at the beginning when they mentioned his "strong family"
- BB-8: cool appearence, cool moveset, beep-wise not on par with R2.
- Chewie awesome as ever.
- no lack of cheesy, easy (not to say cheap) solutions for problems, but hey, its a fairy tale, its star wars. Its cool. Thats how it should be tbh.
thats what i can think of for now.
fresh out of the movie i think overall its on par with the best that star wars has to offer for now, and thinking of part 2 and 3 of the previous trilogies both stepped it up compared to the first one, chances are the ep 8 or 9 will be the best star wars movie ever.
Everybody should watch this!
JJ did good!
Just came out of cinema.
Im kinda blown away at how good this movie is.
Sure, minor quircks here and there.
My impressions:
- just a tad bit too much humor maybe, most of it was fine though and i enjoyed it.
- lots and lots of parallels (not necessarily bad, but a bit too much for my taste)
- not feeling kylos non-masked appearence. I think a different actor would have been better. His face was totally not what i expected when he took of his mask. Masked, though, hes awesome!
- force usage from rey went from 0-100 with no training at all. dont think this is good. but didnt bother me too much.
- THANK GOD giant snooke turned out to be a hologram. before this reveal i was like "oh god, why?!"
- Hans death. Expected this. more inclined him dying early in ep 8 would have been better.
- for the most part TFA really felt like the OT! really feeling it!
- Awesome set pieces, especially on yakku with the crashed star destroyers and other destroyed gear.
- Starkiller base was sick, but honestly would have prefered them to think of a different kind of threat, not just a next level death star.
- music: light theme is super goose bump inducing. not completely feeling the first order theme just yet. lack of imperial march hurts, but makes sense of course.
- Coruscant: WHAT? oO
- K=H+L: knew it right at the beginning when they mentioned his "strong family"
- BB-8: cool appearence, cool moveset, beep-wise not on par with R2.
- Chewie awesome as ever.
- no lack of cheesy, easy (not to say cheap) solutions for problems, but hey, its a fairy tale, its star wars. Its cool. Thats how it should be tbh.
thats what i can think of for now.
fresh out of the movie i think overall its on par with the best that star wars has to offer for now, and thinking of part 2 and 3 of the previous trilogies both stepped it up compared to the first one, chances are the ep 8 or 9 will be the best star wars movie ever.
Everybody should watch this!
JJ did good!
It's Skellig Michael we already know they are filming there for episode 8.
JohnnyWestlake
Banned
First thoughts after getting back: How the fuck is this movie getting so much praise? Yes, it's not a terrible Star Wars, thank the lord, but by no means is it a good one.
No sense of the Resistances struggle or what's even going on in the universe really. The super weapons firing seems to barely faze anyone, and where the bollocks is the epicness?
Far too much screentime given to Ford - such a long movie, and yet I still feel like I didn't learn much coming out of it. Just pretty things.
Snoke looks rubbish, that rubbish CGI orange lady looks rubbish, Rey somehow mastered what took Luke years with no training.
The effects were nice, and script was inoffensive, and the acting great. But other than that?
No sense of the Resistances struggle or what's even going on in the universe really. The super weapons firing seems to barely faze anyone, and where the bollocks is the epicness?
Far too much screentime given to Ford - such a long movie, and yet I still feel like I didn't learn much coming out of it. Just pretty things.
Snoke looks rubbish, that rubbish CGI orange lady looks rubbish, Rey somehow mastered what took Luke years with no training.
The effects were nice, and script was inoffensive, and the acting great. But other than that?
you most certainly aren't.
The question is - why does Rey have to offer justification to you, in the very first movie she appears in, too?
Maybe, put in an extreme situation like that, Luke would have had a boost in Jedi development as well; like, if Vader had tried to snoop around in his head. (tbh when Vader reads Luke's feelings in Return, that's exactly when Luke becomes 'strong' enough to chop off Vader's hand) He simply never engaged Vader pre Empire and even then he was still a farmboy, he didn't know how to defend himself. Rey had to learn that the hard way.
When she mind-tricks the storm trooper - Rey clearly knows stories about the Jedi, maybe she read somewhere that the force allows you to influence other people's wills and she just figured she'd try. Maybe Rey is just really really good at teaching herself cool shit when needed. She's a survivor.
Again, it seems like you're asking to be given justification for why Rey can do certain things, when before, this kind of justification wasn't really given for Luke either. Luke learned to do a mind trick on Bib Fortuna without anyone EVER teaching him.
BewareTheBatsie
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Oh sweet, that's in Kerry! Looking forward to more of it in future movies.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Watched it a few hours ago.
The good:
Rey and Finn were great together, I will watch the sequels for more of these two.
First two acts were good with well directed action and humour.
The bad:
The third act apes ANH/ROTJ far too much, another planet killer with a ridiculously accessible weak point and a single fighter squadron getting easy access to the area they needed to destroy was a thrill killer for me.
Kylo Ren looked soft with that haircut, a buzz cut might have improved his look slightly, but I didn't feel the actor as a threat at all.
Quite ridiculous that two people who had never picked up a lightsaber in their lives prior to a day earlier took on a guy with years of training and won.
Third act action scenes were quite messy overall.
Overall a B or 7/10 film for me.
The good:
Rey and Finn were great together, I will watch the sequels for more of these two.
First two acts were good with well directed action and humour.
The bad:
The third act apes ANH/ROTJ far too much, another planet killer with a ridiculously accessible weak point and a single fighter squadron getting easy access to the area they needed to destroy was a thrill killer for me.
Kylo Ren looked soft with that haircut, a buzz cut might have improved his look slightly, but I didn't feel the actor as a threat at all.
Quite ridiculous that two people who had never picked up a lightsaber in their lives prior to a day earlier took on a guy with years of training and won.
Third act action scenes were quite messy overall.
Overall a B or 7/10 film for me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I do like that after three films of how terrible awful the political backstory and intrigue was, one of the bigger complaints about this film is they don't flesh out the political backstory clearly enough.
To be fair, they're a little too fast & loose with that shit, and things aren't so much "mysterious" as they are "underexplained and confusing" regarding the politics, which leads to the Hosnian system eating shit and nobody really knowing that's what it was, or feeling the punch they should have felt.
But still, it's pretty funny to see people who quote RLM chapter and verse actually ASKING for more political intrigue.
To be fair, they're a little too fast & loose with that shit, and things aren't so much "mysterious" as they are "underexplained and confusing" regarding the politics, which leads to the Hosnian system eating shit and nobody really knowing that's what it was, or feeling the punch they should have felt.
But still, it's pretty funny to see people who quote RLM chapter and verse actually ASKING for more political intrigue.
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