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[Bobby Roberts]

Thanks.

That first article is actually relevant to me. Mother visiting sometime during Christmas, I don't think she's ever seen or cared about these movies, but I'm planning on going with her anyways.

BTW, did you ever go into why you preferred ST2009 to this?

I dont' think so. Not to any real detail, but mostly:

*It's not as funny, but it's just a bit more fun overall
*It moves a little bit faster, actually (it needs to, as the story of Star Trek is dumber than TFA's)
*The ensemble cast is juggled a little better (At least three semi-important characters in TFA just straight up disappear from the story)
*The big thing is that the emotional moments are landed much more strongly. The opening of Star Trek is a legitimate tear-jerker, and there are at least two other moments in the film that get close. The Force Awakens wants those moments, and tends to stumble on dismount. And I think part of why that emotionality doesn't land as surely is due to the editing, which is a little sloppy at times (moments get stepped on by a wipe that comes too soon, or a joke that gets rushed thanks to a cut coming too fast) but mostly because
*John Williams is kinda subdued on the soundtrack, and there's a lack of strong leitmotif working in concert with the visual storytelling. Basically, what Giacchino did with Star Trek is much stronger than what Williams did with Force Awakens. I mean, to rip off Star Wars, the learner has become the master here.

The big thing Force Awakens has going for it in the direct comparison is the cinematography is better here, the action is better, and it's honestly funnier. But I think its inability to really make the emotional moments hit as hard as they should is what keeps it from being as good as Star Trek 09.

 

[TAJ]

They were clones in Ep2-3 I believe. Ep4-6 I think makes it pretty obvious they are just regular soldiers. They weren't portrayed like orcs or mindless drones

These Stormtroopers are raised like clones, though, stricter really. They drank the Kool-Aid from their baby bottles.

 

[Muskieratboi]

2) No.

3) That's good. Because he is in fact not a Jacen or Ben Skywalker.

I meant story paralells. There's a lot there coming out of Traviss and Zahn. But that's a good thing, Legacy of the force was one of the better book series imo.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

The score was like a mix of RotS and ESB to me, but it's hard to tell as I've only heard it when watching the film. It wasn't that memorable honestly, but still quite good.

Also I was surprised at how funny this film is.

Oh yeah, I cried at two parts:

Han dying and the reactions.
R2-D2.

 

[WadeitOut]

These Stormtroopers are raised like clones, though, stricter really. They drank the Kool-Aid from their baby bottles.

Well so were the clones. They were all raised indoors on Kamino with no interaction with the outside world. I mean they had actual inhibitor chips in their domes.

 

[ghst]

These Stormtroopers are raised like clones, though, stricter really. They drank the Kool-Aid from their baby bottles.

i don't understand how through that process, someone as affable, humorous and with the moral compass of finn came out.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I meant story paralells. There's a lot there coming out of Traviss and Zahn. But that's a good thing, Legacy of the force was one of the better book series imo.

You must unlearn.

Kasdan & Abrams didn't take anything from Traviss & Zahn. There's bound to be similarities as there's only so much ground to tread dealing with wayward sons in a Generational Saga (TM), but similarities with another work doesn't mean that work is a source.

 

[TAJ]

Well so were the clones. They were all raised indoors on Kamino with no interaction with the outside world. I mean they had actual inhibitor chips in their domes.

Taun We was pretty chill, though.

i don't understand how through that process, someone as affable, humorous and with the moral compass of finn came out.

Reasons.

 

[hamchan]

Pretty good. So much better than the prequels. Lightsaber battles felt raw rather than that flippy shit. Everything looked amazing.

Did feel it started to get a bit messy with the number of action scenes combined with the fast pace. Barely started to get to know the characters with things constantly popping off.

Pretty much saw one of the older cast dying and that's what happened. Not a surprising moment at all but still a good one.

There's still so much backstory I want to know though gah. Like who the new big bad is and how the First Order even managed to establish themselves into such a power. I guess that's what episode VIII is for.

Edit: Also I don't think there were many good quotes in this movie. A shame.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I felt like crying all the way through, hit my right in my feels.

I could feel that the tears were going to flow as soon as the title appeared on screen, but I stopped myself from getting emotional too early

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

Kylo Ren is an assumed name plus "title" (Ren), as he is part of the Knights of Ren.

WAS part of the Knights of Ren. Snoke clearly says he is the last of them.

 

[WadeitOut]

WAS part of the Knights of Ren. Snoke clearly says he is the last of them.

But doesn't he also say "You and the Knights of Ren have never faced" to Kylo? Seems like a weird way to word that statement with the "have never". Or I misheard it.

 

[chesspieceface]

The score was like a mix of RotS and ESB to me, but it's hard to tell as I've only heard it when watching the film. It wasn't that memorable honestly, but still quite good.

I thought it was pretty forgettable.

Calling it: no oscar nomination for the score

 

[Chained Prometheus]

Actually, the line is "Even you, Master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test." Not "last of."

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Actually, the line is "Even you, Master of the Knights of Ren, have never faced such a test." Not "last of."

Yeah, that's what I heard as well.

Again, another hook for Johnson to dive into if he wants: There's multiple helmeted badasses out there, as well as Phasma, that he can unleash on the Resistance AND Rey/Luke.

Rian Johnson has so much to work with, I'm fucking EXCITED to see what he brings.

 

[cacildo]

It will be pretty funny in the next movie when we discover that snoke has actually the same height as yoda

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

My bad.

God, this makes me want 8 so badly. Johnson is so lucky, getting to explore everything.

And going off the visual dictionary, Snoke is definitely not what he seems. He's obviously doesn't care about Ben but there's more to it. I don't even think he cares about the First Order, they're just a means to an end. Wonder what his goal is or what he actually is.

This movie set up the rest of the films perfectly for me.

 

[Angel_DvA]

The movie is exactly what whiners asked for and they are now whining because it's exactly what they asked for, a good Star Wars movie.

Disney play it safe and it's exactly what I wanted them to do for the first one, especially after the prequels:

- Make good new characters. ( done with Rey, Kylo, Finn )
- Good plot. ( it was really good )
- New enemies. ( First Order + Knights of Ren )
- Get ride at the prequel stuff as much as possible. ( Done )
- Get ride of the old crew as much as possible. ( Almost Done )
- Dark side Vs Light side without political crap. ( Done )
- Jar Jar is finally dead. ( Youpiii )

We need to take in consideration what Disney have to start with too, all Jedi are dead beside Luke, All Sith are dead, the Empire has fallen, the cast is too old to be the heroes anymore, they need to introduce SW to the new kids etc... I think they did a pretty good job overall.

I think the problem is that the Die hard fan have unrealistic expectation for the SW movies, it won't revolutionize the cinema like the OT did because we already know everything, rules are set and can't be changed, we know what a Jedi is and what he can do, same for the Dark side, the Empire/Republic stuff etc... it will always be the same no matter what different you want it to be because it's what Star Wars is.

 

[Jarmel]

Yeah, that's what I heard as well.

Again, another hook for Johnson to dive into if he wants: There's multiple helmeted badasses out there, as well as Phasma, that he can unleash on the Resistance AND Rey/Luke.

Rian Johnson has so much to work with, I'm fucking EXCITED to see what he brings.

Wasn't there something about someone/some company wanting a female villain? I imagine one of the Knights being female.

 

[WadeitOut]

It will be pretty funny in the next movie when we discover that snoke has actually the same height as yoda

He's 7 foot something. We already know this officially.

Wasn't there something about someone/some company wanting a female villain? I imagine one of the Knights being female.

You are thinking of why they brought in Christie to play Phasma.

 

[ghst]

rian johnson is the definition of a sophomoric try hard and i'm terrified at him getting his clumsy paws all over star wars.

he's an exaggeration of all JJ's worst qualities.

 

[Jarmel]

You are thinking of why they brought in Christie to play Phasma.

No. I was thinking about Episode 8 and the females they were screentesting.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

rian johnson is the definition of a sophomoric try hard and i'm terrified at him getting his clumsy paws all over star wars.

please wipe your feet next time you're tracking horseshit all over the thread.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

So is luke in this film? How much screen time?

 

[munchie64]

rian johnson is the definition of a sophomoric try hard and i'm terrified at him getting his clumsy paws all over star wars.

he's an exaggeration of all JJ's worst qualities.

 

[WadeitOut]

No. I was thinking about Episode 8 and the females they were screentesting.

There was a group of people whining about a lack of female villains around the time rumors of Cumberbatch playing Phasma started up and then they brought in Christie. I don't recall the same thing happening with Episode 8 though. The only new villain confirmed is Del Toro.

And people are sleeping on Colin. Safety Not Guaranteed was fantastic.

 

[ghst]

please wipe your feet next time you're tracking horseshit all over the thread.

i'm completely unsurprised at your feelings about his filmmaking.

 

[Angel_DvA]

So is luke in this film? How much screen time?

10s

 

[Kaneda Shotaro]

So is luke in this film? How much screen time?

30 seconds maybe. No dialogue. Last scene.

 

[Oersted]

So is luke in this film? How much screen time?

They find him. The end.

 

[Jarmel]

There was a group of people whining about a lack of female villains around the time rumors of Cumberbatch playing Phasma started up and then they brought in Christie.

I don't recall the same thing happening with Episode 8 though. The only new villain confirmed is Del Toro.

One of the rumors in regards to 8 was that there was going to be a female Sith villain. Obviously there aren't Sith in the new trilogy so chances are that it'll just be a Knight considering how many there are.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

i'm completely unsurprised at your feelings about his filmmaking.

I'm completely nonplussed by your facetious surprise!

Now go back outside and use the provided mat. We also have one of those brushy things that you bolt to the front porch to make sure no stray feces clings to the nubby parts of your sole. I'm sure they have a name but I can't remember.

 

[The Hermit]

Just watched it.

Its pretty much star wars. It was alright. Not OT good but far away from the PT tragedy.

 

[Smoolio]

- Jar Jar is finally dead. ( Youpiii )

Really? was there a reference to this in the movie that I missed?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

No, there was no Jar Jar reference.

 

[Jarmel]

meesa freee

 

[TAJ]

I was just wondering why so many people are seeing it now. The release date is listed as the 18th everywhere. Surely midnight showings would be late Thursday night/Friday morning... /looks at Fandango... Wait, WTF.

 

[WadeitOut]

The release date is still listed as the 18th everywhere.

Not in most of Europe. It is the 17th. Aka right now.

 

[ghst]

I'm completely nonplussed by your facetious surprise!

Now go back outside and use the provided mat. We also have one of those brushy things that you bolt to the front porch to make sure no stray feces clings to the nubby parts of your sole.

that description was almost as unnecessarily contrived as his writing.

 

[TAJ]

Not in most of Europe. It is the 17th. Aka right now.

Yeah, but the nearest theater has screenings all day Thursday. Most of them are sold out. The earliest showing with available seats was 10:00PM.

 

[WadeitOut]

I wasn't supposed to see it until tomorrow night here in the States but a friend from my hometown's parents own the local movie theater lol. We watched it with a total of like 5 people for the "test screening".

 

[hamchan]

Yeah, but the nearest theater has screenings all day Thursday. Most of them are sold out. The earliest showing with available seats was 10:00PM.

Here in Australia I went to the 1pm showing a few hours ago and it wasn't full.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

that description was almost as unnecessarily contrived as his writing.

almost!

(Is there a bingo sheet I should be checking here?)

You have a bad opinion, badger/panda/sloth thing. It's a bad opinion. You should guard it closely, lest it infect other people, and sour their sense of good taste.

 

[Sambrez_]

Really, really liked the movie.
The characters, the 'simple' plots, the action, the visuals, the art direction, everything's on point.
It think that I can rank it #1 exaequo with Empire Strikes Back.

My only regrets are on the force mythology, I wanted to know more with a "Force awakens" title on the origins of the force, on Luke, on why everyone suddenly awakes etc.
That and the fact that it's basically a remake of A New Hope.

 

[Stealthy Giant]

Don't care for Rian. I thought Brick was hilarious for all the wrong reasons and only kind of liked Looper.

 

[ghst]

almost!

(Is there a bingo sheet I should be checking here?)

You have a bad opinion, badger. It's a bad opinion. You should guard it closely, lest it infect other people, and sour their sense of good taste.

this one's more joss whedon.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

What did I just say about this fucking contagious FILTH.

Jesus.

Unsanitary motherfuckers.

this one's more joss whedon.

Okay.

 

[ryan299]

Is this reviewer talking about the Republic?

One of Abrams and Kasdan’s masterstrokes was the way the established the galactic context for The Force Awakens. Without giving away too much, the Resistance and the First Order are not the only major political and military entities in existence. In the words of Yoda, there is another. That third party gets a brief but dramatic treatment in the film, and the fact that it essentially happens in the background will only stoke the fires of speculation even more. Its relationship with the Resistance presents one of the single biggest questions about the state of the galaxy. I doubt any fans expected this third party to exist, and in that sense, by adding something completely out of left field, Kasdan and Abrams hit a homerun in deciding to introduce it.

 

[Jarmel]

Kinda curious what Trevorrow is going to end up doing. If the fucker ends up making a Death Star Mk.4, I might be checking out.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Kinda curious what Trevorrow is going to end up doing. If the fucker ends up making a Death Star Mk.4, I might be checking out.

I do wonder if he and Johnson are talking to each other regularly.