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[Smoolio]

I know some people hate the prequels era flashy lightsaber fighting, but Obi or Anakin from ROTS would wipe the floor with Kylo, I hope that was the intent, to show that they are still amateurs.

None of that is to say that I didn't love the fight in this movie on its own, had great emotion.

 

[Silvard]

I really didn't like the character of Rey, way too Mary Sue for my tastes.

 

[Frumix]

I think I like this kind of treatment of the Force much better though.
It falls in line a lot more with the fairytale superpower that stems from belief and inner peace than midiclorian-driven shaolin monk cult bullshit ever did. Like, I know it's gonna be hard to fight against that image firmly implanted in fans' minds by the prequels and the EU, but from a narrative standpoint, a protagonist being pure of heart and coming from a line of powerful Force users is a great device. Luke didn't take all that much time to be trained either, the Force shouldn't really be about "I trained 20 more years than you did and now I am much more stronger!"

It'd be interesting if over the course of the following films they could twist her innate talents somehow, make it into a temptation, there's a lot of potential for Rey to grow as a character, and she's not too bad at the moment either since she doesn't really want anything to do with the new role being thrust upon her.

 

[FeD.nL]

Surely they would have planned this whole trilogy out already?

Well JJ said they have built the state of the universe and the broad strokes but that Rian still gets to do very much his own thing and take the story to wild places.

 

[Jarmel]

I think I like this kind of treatment of the Force much better though.
It falls in line a lot more with the fairytale superpower that stems from belief and inner peace than midiclorian-driven shaolin monk cult bullshit ever did. Like, I know it's gonna be hard to fight against that image firmly implanted in fans' minds by the prequels and the EU, but from a narrative standpoint, a protagonist being pure of heart and coming from a line of powerful Force users is a great device. Luke didn't take all that much time to be trained either, the Force shouldn't really be about "I trained 20 more years than you did and now I am much more stronger!"

It'd be interesting if over the course of the following films they could twist her innate talents somehow, make it into a temptation, there's a lot of potential for Rey to grow as a character, and she's not too bad at the moment either since she doesn't really want anything to do with the new role being thrust upon her.

What separated the Force from Harry Potter magic was the fact that you had to meditate and that it was as you put it, "shaolin monk cult bullshit". That's like the whole point of it.

 

[duckroll]

Surely they would have planned this whole trilogy out already?

No? This isn't some "grand plan" trilogy. They've been upfront that they just want to make 3 movies and are tapping creators they like to collaborate and be part of the process. When Abrams cam in, he shitcanned the scriptment they already had for Ep7 to do his own thing.

 

[wetwired]

That doesn't make sense because she clearly tells Han that she thought all the talk about the Force was a myth.

She looked all of about 6 in the flashback vision. She could easily not remember,especially after the trauma of being abandoned.

 

[Frumix]

What separated the Force from Harry Potter magic was the fact that you had to meditate and that it was as you put it, "shaolin monk cult bullshit". That's like the whole point of it.

OT never really went into what the Jedi order was like, or what a proper training would entail, and that's how I think it should be. Make it magic. Don't make up rules.

 

[Jarmel]

OT never really went into what the Jedi order was like, or what a proper training would entail, and that's how I think it should be. Make it magic. Don't make up rules.

Episode 5 was about Luke meditating and developing inner peace. That was the entire point of the Yoda segment.

 

[hamchan]

Well JJ said they have built the state of the universe and the broad strokes but that Rian still gets to do very much his own thing and take the story to wild places.

No? This isn't some "grand plan" trilogy. They've been upfront that they just want to make 3 movies and are tapping creators they like to collaborate and be part of the process. When Abrams cam in, he shitcanned the scriptment they already had for Ep7 to do his own thing.

Cool. Haven't been keeping up with the production process of this film so this is news to me. I think that's pretty damn ballsy of them to do with their multi-billion dollar franchise. I know I would have gone the route of planning most of the story, especially something big like why Luke disappeared. I guess props to Disney for going taking the more creatively free route.

 

[Bulzeeb]

I finally was the movie, it was great and I might ranked it among the very top among the classic trilogy, I am not sure were but yet though. My only dissapoinment was the lack of phasma, the coolest looking storm trooper ever and she does nothing in the whole movie

Han's death scene is so perfect. He thinks Kylo is reaching out to him to help him change his ways, but really, his conflict is "I don't wanna kill you, dad, but I'm gonna".

Kylo is a great villain and may even surpass Vader depending on how the sequels turn out.

I am not sure if they will reach that, but they managed to show a better strong force user good guy turned evil by going to the dark side way better than anything I remember from Anakin in the prequels

 

[TheKaeptain]

No? This isn't some "grand plan" trilogy. They've been upfront that they just want to make 3 movies and are tapping creators they like to collaborate and be part of the process. When Abrams cam in, he shitcanned the scriptment they already had for Ep7 to do his own thing.

Can't really say it was shit canned right? Arndt's name is on the poster. Under union rules that means a certain percentage of his work stayed in the script.

 

[MouldyK]

The parts I hated were the "Convenient Parts"...

- "Lets use that piece of Junk"...its the Falcon...

- Oh, Finn was a Janitor? "Does it have a trash compactor?"...a callback not needed.

- Hey, let's have a bottomless pit near were Chewie and Han need to set charges...it worked so well for Darth Maul and Sidious.

- "R2 won't have the rest of the map. He ain't been on since Master Luke went away"..."Hey, Death Planet is destroyed with the rest of map...R2 is awake with rest of map!"


Among many other things which were just there to reference the OT or for Plot Sake...like Rey knowing Jedi Mind Tricks without seeing it at any point...unless her being a Youngling at some point is true.

 

[duckroll]

Can't really say it was shit canned right? Arndt's name is on the poster. Under union rules that means a certain percentage of his work stayed in the script.

And Orci's name is still on the Star Trek Beyond trailer for screenplay. You know what I mean.

 

[Bulzeeb]

The parts I hated were the "Convenient Parts"...

- "Lets use that piece of Junk"...its the Falcon...

- Oh, Finn was a Janitor? "Does it have a trash compactor?"...a callback not needed.

- Hey, let's have a bottomless pit near were Chewie and Han need to set charges...it worked so well for Darth Maul and Sidious.

- "R2 won't have the rest of the map. He ain't been on since Master Luke went away"..."Hey, Death Planet is destroyed with the rest of map...R2 is awake with rest of map!"


Among many other things which were just there to reference the OT or for Plot Sake...like Rey knowing Jedi Mind Tricks without seeing it at any point...unless her being a Youngling at some point is true.

well Rey mentioned that she really didn't know how to pilot the millenium falcom, yet she was able to do so, my guess is that Rey's connecton with the force is somehow telling her what to do

 

[hobblygobbly]

So after 22hrs of last seeing the movie I've been pondering about it more in my head. The more I go back to it I become more disappointed. I still feel like I left *empty* missing something, is it the story? There's very little story development throughout the movie and I really don't like how they're treating The Force with Rey. It feels too much of a remake and banking on the success of nostalgia/fan service than really catapulting its own identity. Not just the similarity in the pacing of the film/scenes but there's just way too many references. I guess the reference stuff is Abraham's shtick... something I don't like in his work.

 

[Vampirolol]

I know Kylo Ren was injured but I found his fighting ability to be underwhelming in the end. Like even Finn managed to land a hit. Rey I can somewhat buy but man her midichlorians must be through the roof to manage that without training

That's the best part, Ren is a kid, not a Darth Vader 2.

 

[MouldyK]

I know I would have gone the route of planning most of the story, especially something big like why Luke disappeared.

I am 99% sure they have a basic framework for things like that.

Like the next guy cant just be like "Yeah, Luke disappeared because he couldn't get over the fact he went mad with power and killed all his Pupils except Kylo"

 

[Jables Swan]

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say they built her up as a cool character.
She had a somewhat eyecatching armor design and walked with a bit of swagger in one of the trailers. My feel is that people are talking about her because they expected to talk about her. That said I suppose it's possible she survived, but the freaking planet blew up too you know.

Maybe so, but they had her on the front of most promotional things and she had a tiny part. I think she could be really awesome and hope she'll be back.

 

[Blueboys1306]

Just came back from seeing Force Awakens in 3D. And I don't know what to feel. Everything about the movie was fine. Acting- good. Script- fine. Story- little predictable but good. Constant references to the original trilogy got very long in the tooth. Everything seemed like it was a Star Wars film but, although I can't quite put my finger on it, it felt hollow. Like it was missing a key ingredient. Overall count me as disappointed. My expectations were sky high and it missed the mark. It was basically a retread of a new hope without the soul. I think... Damn I'm so confused. I liked it but like I said above something just didn't feel right. Not having George Lucas on board was telling though.

 

[FeD.nL]

So after 22hrs of last seeing the movie I've been pondering about it more in my head. The more I go back to it I become more disappointed. I still feel like I left *empty* missing something, is it the story? There's very little story development throughout the movie and I really don't like how they're treating The Force with Rey. It feels too much of a remake and banking on the success of nostalgia/fan service than really catapulting its own identity. Not just the similarity in the pacing of the film/scenes but there's just way too many references. I guess the reference stuff is Abraham's shtick... something I don't like in his work.

I'm in the same boat atm. I'm glad Star Wars is back but it doesn't feel like a film that can stand on it's own. Heading towards the theatre now for an early second viewing to see how it holds up.

 

[liquidtmd]

Had a good lol at this meme going around.

Im not that spoiler precious really and this is not at you Ultima, but that's pretty shitty if that's going viral.

 

[UltimaPooh]

Im not that spoiler precious really and this is not at you Ultima, but that's pretty shitty if that's going viral.

I saw it on Facebook. No individuals have really been posting it.

Yeah I agree it's shitty but I think props need to be given for its setup.

Also the reactions to it have been really over the top. Someone wanted the person who posted it to be raped... another wanted them to be raped by satan and his legs cut off. All kinds of over the top reactions.

It's funny in the sense that people get bent out of shape over these things.

 

[?oe?oe]

That's the best part, Ren is a kid, not a Darth Vader 2.

Plus he still is in training.

Kylo Ren feels like how Anakin should have been.

 

[Smoolio]

That's the best part, Ren is a kid, not a Darth Vader 2.

Really hope that is why and not them just trying to make the fights less flashy due to perceived prequel hate. If the final fight in episode 9 isn't a huge step up in skill i'll be disappointed.

 

[eot]

I saw it on Facebook. No individuals have really been posting it.

Yeah I agree it's shitty but I think props need to be given for its setup.

Also the reactions to it have been really over the top. Someone wanted the person who posted it to be raped... another wanted them to be raped by satan and his legs cut off. All kinds of over the top reactions.

It's funny in the sense that people get bent out of shape over these things.

No props needed, and of course people get pissed off when they wait a decade for something and people purposefully try to sabotage their enjoyment. Fuck those people.

 

[liquidtmd]

I saw it on Facebook. No individuals have really been posting it.

Yeah I agree it's shitty but I think props need to be given for its setup.

Also the reactions to it have been really over the top. Someone wanted the person who posted it to be raped... another wanted them to be raped by satan and his legs cut off. All kinds of over the top reactions.

It's funny in the sense that people get bent out of shape over these things.

I hear ya. Jesus fucking Christ. 'You spoiled my movie - I hope you get raped and murdered'

I sadly belive it

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I think I like this kind of treatment of the Force much better though.
It falls in line a lot more with the fairytale superpower that stems from belief and inner peace than midiclorian-driven shaolin monk cult bullshit ever did. Like, I know it's gonna be hard to fight against that image firmly implanted in fans' minds by the prequels and the EU, but from a narrative standpoint, a protagonist being pure of heart and coming from a line of powerful Force users is a great device. Luke didn't take all that much time to be trained either, the Force shouldn't really be about "I trained 20 more years than you did and now I am much more stronger!"

It'd be interesting if over the course of the following films they could twist her innate talents somehow, make it into a temptation, there's a lot of potential for Rey to grow as a character, and she's not too bad at the moment either since she doesn't really want anything to do with the new role being thrust upon her.

Luke's arc to becoming a Jedi master was about 5 years.

Obi Wan set him on the path and gave him a Jedi 101 course
he did some self training between AHN and ESB, that was a few years time.
Obi Wan sent him to Dagobah for the master class and he left before he completed the course and that was weeks of training.
Vader gave him the ultimate test of his power and he got worked
Took another year off to get his mind right, train, and mine Ben Kenobi's house for old Jedi texts and build his own lightsaber
Went to fight Vader again and in spite of all of his training and true Jedi master demeanor he still had to overcome the temptation of the dark side. after all of that he finally became a Jedi master in the closing minutes of the trilogy.


Really interested to see where they take Rey since they've gone back to the more grounded combat of the OT even though she already seems damned powerful after getting the cliffnotes on the force.

 

[Frumix]

R2 awakening “suddenly“ is really easy. It just meant Luke decided it was time he was to be found.

 

[TheKaeptain]

And Orci's name is still on the Star Trek Beyond trailer for screenplay. You know what I mean.

But it's a "written by" credit. Which means Arndt is entitled to a "story by" and a "screenplay by" credit. A "screenplay by" credit means some of his story is still intact. I believe it's at least 30%.

 

[SgtCobra]

Very funny, ruining peoples fun. So much fun, ha-ha-ha. ha.

It fucking ruined the movie for me (and I was really eager to see it this week) when I saw it yesterday and now I'm here.

 

[DonMigs85]

I kinda have mixed feelings about this movie. It throws a lot of stuff at you with little explanation or reasoning, and you're kinda forced to really wait for the sequels and read supplementary material like comics to fill in the gaps.
-Why does Snoke = Voldemort?
-How does Rey use the Force and a lightsaber with no formal training (though she did get some practice with her staff)?
-Why is Ben Solo such a mook with anger management issues?
-Starkiller base is just a silly concept IMO. A sun-draining weapon built into an entire planet? With an easily identifiable flaw? You could tell it was kinda dumbed down for the average movie goer.

 

[UltimaPooh]

No props needed, and of course people get pissed off when they wait a decade for something and people purposefully try to sabotage their enjoyment. Fuck those people.

They waited a decade? A decade ago these were never going to be made.

They waited 2.5 years tops. And I understand the frustration. But it's not like someone murdered their pet or kid or something.

 

[Nullabe]

Well i just watched this and i loved every second of it.

Why ? IMO because it's more adult, mature and dark. The directing, acting and the way that the force is treated are just too good.
I not agree with what the most said here, the humour touch is well mixed and the star wars spirit was here more than in all prequels combined.

EP7 is a killer, maybe as good as the IV,V,VI era. I love the new cast too, they did a pretty good job.

That's faking cool that star wars return with so much power. Faking hyped for EP8.

 

[duckroll]

But it's a "written by" credit. Which means Arndt is entitled to a "story by" and a "screenplay by" credit. A "screenplay by" credit means some of his story is still intact. I believe it's at least 30%.

I get what you're saying but that's completely irrelevant to my origin general point lol. They had a scriptment, Abrams wanted to do his own stuff so they changed it significantly. It's a fluid process, they didn't plan everything in advance and they're not stubborn about sticking to any grand plan.

 

[Hypertrooper]

I kinda have mixed feelings about this movie. It throws a lot of stuff at you with little explanation or reasoning, and you're kinda forced to really wait for the sequels and read supplementary material like comics to fill in the gaps.
-How does Rey use the Force and a lightsaber with no formal training (though she did get some practice with her staff)?

I thought she had practice as a child because you can see her dropped on Jakku in the flashback, so she was with Luke at some point.

 

[Jyester]

Did not really enjoy it. I was very much looking forward to it, but the constant retreading of old territory made it feel less than exciting. I also felt there was no emotional pay off at any point in the movie.

I liked all the characters, although they had too little exposition to establish their motivations and feelings for each other. Leia might as well have not been in the movie. The story was extremely by the numbers and disappointing. Seriously, why make another Death Star when it can be destroyed so comically easily by a geriatric, a janitor, a scanvenger and a furry? It was too easy and too familiar and therefore devoid of tension.

The plot was paper thin. I liked that Finn as a Stormtrooper questioned his motives. I thought this might mean that the First Order would be portrayed in a slightly more nuanced way, but instead they're literally space nazis. Sieg Heil to the ginger overlord who looks like he's gonna cry every time he's in the frame. Most of all, I think it's cheap that all of the achievements fought for in EP IV - VI were apparently for naught, as a carbon copy of the empire rose to power off screen.

I was the only one among my friends, but I cannot believe that Han Solo is dead. Is the concensus here that he's not coming back? Thought his death was way too anticlimactic. I saw it coming a mile away and didn't feel anything when it actually happened. That's not how one of the most beloved characters in science fiction should come to an end.

In summary; I liked all the new characters, but the movie was just a retread of familiar territory. People are saying this is a good thing, but it left me not feeling excited about what was happening, because at some point in time I'd seen the exact same thing happen in the same franchise. Last, Kylo Ren was cool as a character, but I didn't really feel that his wounding legitimized him getting beat by Rey. Meh.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Rey is definitely a Skywalker. Like Anakin, she's a genius in all things mechanical.

Poe Dameron was such a badass too.

 

[PapaJustify]

They waited 2.5 years tops. And I understand the frustration. But it's not like someone murdered their pet or kid or something.

I was actively threatening people to not spoiler me.

 

[prudislav]

Last, Kylo Ren was cool as a character, but I didn't really feel that his wounding legitimized him getting beat by Rey. Meh.

well my understanding was that he is still a kid , with unfinished Sith training, has quite big anger management issues and feels threatened by the amount of the Force he senses from Rey which further feeds his inferiority complex

 

[munchie64]

So after 22hrs of last seeing the movie I've been pondering about it more in my head. The more I go back to it I become more disappointed. I still feel like I left *empty* missing something, is it the story? There's very little story development throughout the movie and I really don't like how they're treating The Force with Rey. It feels too much of a remake and banking on the success of nostalgia/fan service than really catapulting its own identity. Not just the similarity in the pacing of the film/scenes but there's just way too many references. I guess the reference stuff is Abraham's shtick... something I don't like in his work.

I think if you go back over it in your mind and try to ignore direct references you'll probably see how good the non-"remake" parts are. They capture some great magic there.

 

[DonMigs85]

I was actively threatening people to not spoiler me.

Having seen the movie, the pivotal moments were so poorly executed I wouldn't really have cared if I was spoiled.
Thank God for the banter between Finn, Han and Rey, it was what saved the movie IMO and avoided the wooden acting of the prequels. Poe is also a great character, but again we barely know anything about him too.

 

[Shuggananas]

I thought she had practice as a child because you can see her dropped on Jakku in the flashback, so she was with Luke at some point.

that's what I call jumping to conclusions

 

[nOoblet16]

Lol Ren always has that crying look to his eyes. Everytime he removes his mask he gets 59% less menacing.


And why would Luke leave a map if he wants to disappear lol

 

[munchie64]

Having seen the movie, the pivotal moments were so poorly executed I wouldn't really have cared if I was spoiled.
Thank God for the banter between Finn, Han and Rey, it was what saved the movie IMO and avoided the wooden acting of the prequels. Poe is also a great character, but again we barely know anything about him too.

I thought Han's death was great. Especially since I woulda thought Chewie blew himself the fuck up if I didn't already know he didn't.

 

[Fliesen]

I kinda have mixed feelings about this movie. It throws a lot of stuff at you with little explanation or reasoning, and you're kinda forced to really wait for the sequels and read supplementary material like comics to fill in the gaps.
-Why does Snoke = Voldemort?
-How does Rey use the Force and a lightsaber with no formal training (though she did get some practice with her staff)?
-Why is Ben Solo such a mook with anger management issues?
-Starkiller base is just a silly concept IMO. A sun-draining weapon built into an entire planet? With an easily identifiable flaw? You could tell it was kinda dumbed down for the average movie goer.

Finn uses a Lightsaber rather decently as well.
I think the issue is that Kylo Ren might be a rather sloppy, arrogant, angry / overly aggressive fighter. Which is why they get some nasty blows in.

Also, the only training Luke received pre Empire (pre Wampa cave) was "dude, trust your force instincts with that torpedo" and "sense where the droid's gonna shoot you and deflect the beams"

He taught himself to pull the lightsaber from the snow because he was in a life-or-death situation. Just like Rey.
We don't even see Obiwan really telling him "dude, you can move stuff with your mind" or using any kind of telekinetic powers in front of him / at all.

Lol Ren always has that crying look to his eyes. Everytime he removes his mask he gets 59% less meanancing.


And why would Luke leave a map if he wants to disappear lol

clearly, so he could be found, when he's needed the most. Which is exactly what happened.

 

[Shuggananas]

Lol Ren always has that crying look to his eyes. Everytime he removes his mask he gets 59% less meanancing.

That's the point

 

[DonMigs85]

that's what I call jumping to conclusions

Yup. I dunno if Luke used Force memory wipe on her, but it doesn't look like she ever knew him in person.

 

[Operations]

Huge disappointment for me ;(

- Rey and Finn becoming master force users with zero training. Having a shot at Skywalker-trained Kylo Ren? Bullshit of the highest magnitude

- copy-pasted the plot downright to the jokes of Episode IV to the point of being fully predictable

- Kylo Ren went from menacing figure to worse than Hayden-levels of teen angst.

Maybe a second view will give me a better sensation. Oh my, what a let down

 

[Fliesen]

That's the point

the inverse is kinda the point, i suppose. He purposefully wears a mask and has a voice modulator to mimic vader's menacing appearance.

I think the sequels will show us how Kylo Ren is such a troubled kid. At least they're taking their time and don't do a rushed "my bae might die! Don't kill Sidious, Master Windu! I live to serve you, mylord, where's some kids i can slaughter?"