Renegade Yeti
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Anyone else catch Daniel Craig as the stormtrooper Rey mind controlled, im 99% sure that was him
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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This is fair enough but I think the marketing played it up as kind of a mystery that would be revealed in the film. I do appreciate that TFA doesn't go for massive, boring exposition pieces like in the prequels, but a little more world-building stuff would be appreciated. I suppose there's always an opportunity for them to do this with the next instalments
mere_immortal
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Anyone know why there was no Disney logo before the title and crawl? Would have assumed they would have put something in there.
eot
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This movie was orders of magnitude better than Into Darkness. That thing's a turd.
Same reason there isn't one in front of Marvel or Pixar movies. Lucasfilm is considered its own entity.
They operate in the unknown regions so the Republic mostly ignored them. Think of the unknown regions as the Middle East to the core central systems to the west (North America/Europe).
mere_immortal
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Ah fair enough.
From the ending I'd say he remains on as Rey's co-pilot for the Falcon.
Vampirolol
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That's the worst character of the movie. It looks like Antz ffs.
There is one in front of Pixar films.
They don't put it in front of Marvel or LucasFilm stuff because it potentially clashes with the 'Walt Disney' image.
That's cool glad he wasn't all "I'm free bitches PEACE"
Dash_Riprock
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Snoke was by far the most disappointing character in the film. Palpatine 2.0 (Even down to the stupid first name)
The only thing that's kinda weird is why The Resistance is called The Resistance, because they aren't really resisting anything. They are fighting against an enemy that's a threat to the entire Galaxy, unlike when they were The Rebellion and were fighting against the established order.
Peter Mayhew needs the work.
well from what i rember it was just one big BATTLE victory, not the whole war in the galaxy
eot
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All the CG creatures really stood out in a bad way.
If they put out a director's cut I hope they remove that entire monster chase sequence.
This is why Yub Nub is superior. The Victory Celebration sequence doesn't make sense anymore.
Dash_Riprock
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Best guess I can make is that the Resistance isn't the Republics army, and most if not of their forces are recruited from people living within First Order territory, with the exception of Leia and maybe all the High Command.
I really, really hope chewie will be the captain. He deserves it.
Man this thread is too big to read though all the replies. Good stuff.
Anyway I don't consider myself a big fan of Star Wars, I like them fine and I am a sucker for BB8 and R2D2, but I won't be there on release date to watch them. This time my brother in law got tickets for me and my gf, so there was no way I couldn't say no. Here is my unbiased opinion as someone who watched the other movies once, maybe twice and have no nostalgia whatsoever. I do remember a lot of the details since my brother-in-law won't stop sharing videos about them.
I loved it. It was predictable but it was really well executed, the settings and pacing is great and the characters are extremely likable, with believable characters and motivations for them and a lot of personality.
They nailed what made the original film relatable and that was having a protagonist you could root for and relate to. This time you had your choice of Rey or Finn and they worked great with each other.
As for the villain, it was clear early on that he was going to be Han's and Leia's son, and as soon as the hug between Leia and Han was shared it was clear Han was going to die by his hand. I told my gf about it as quietly as possible "How much do you want to bet Kylo kills him?" and I could hear my brother in law groan next to me, he heard me. When the scene was setup in the bridge he looked at me between angry and sad. People really love Han Solo and I can't blame them, he is a badass.
I don't know this has been mentioned (I am pretty sure it has, but I am not going to check), but they pretty much combined Luke and Han into one character and that is Reyna, honestly I think that is pretty clever.
On the other hand, Kylo Ren is pretty much taking the path that Luke didn't: Embrase the Dark Side and kill his father. Its going to be interesting since its clear there is still light in him, but honestly I think if he is completely redeemed it would be boring. As I see it he will be fully trained by the second movie and have his own motivations, probably seeking ultimate power and killing his master to take his place, setting up the final confontration for the last film.
Now lets talk about Finn. He is by far the most interesting character in the film. While the other characters have a more or less define background and you can get an idea where they are going, Finn is a blank page. His life started as soon as he refused o kill the innocent villagers and from there all hi has done is grow, he can pretty much do anything and that is exciting, since he is going to be the wildcard going forward, depending on where the story is going.
I have more to say but I feel lazy, maybe later on, great movie guys I can understand why you guys love Star Wars so much.
Anyway I don't consider myself a big fan of Star Wars, I like them fine and I am a sucker for BB8 and R2D2, but I won't be there on release date to watch them. This time my brother in law got tickets for me and my gf, so there was no way I couldn't say no. Here is my unbiased opinion as someone who watched the other movies once, maybe twice and have no nostalgia whatsoever. I do remember a lot of the details since my brother-in-law won't stop sharing videos about them.
I loved it. It was predictable but it was really well executed, the settings and pacing is great and the characters are extremely likable, with believable characters and motivations for them and a lot of personality.
They nailed what made the original film relatable and that was having a protagonist you could root for and relate to. This time you had your choice of Rey or Finn and they worked great with each other.
As for the villain, it was clear early on that he was going to be Han's and Leia's son, and as soon as the hug between Leia and Han was shared it was clear Han was going to die by his hand. I told my gf about it as quietly as possible "How much do you want to bet Kylo kills him?" and I could hear my brother in law groan next to me, he heard me. When the scene was setup in the bridge he looked at me between angry and sad. People really love Han Solo and I can't blame them, he is a badass.
I don't know this has been mentioned (I am pretty sure it has, but I am not going to check), but they pretty much combined Luke and Han into one character and that is Reyna, honestly I think that is pretty clever.
On the other hand, Kylo Ren is pretty much taking the path that Luke didn't: Embrase the Dark Side and kill his father. Its going to be interesting since its clear there is still light in him, but honestly I think if he is completely redeemed it would be boring. As I see it he will be fully trained by the second movie and have his own motivations, probably seeking ultimate power and killing his master to take his place, setting up the final confontration for the last film.
Now lets talk about Finn. He is by far the most interesting character in the film. While the other characters have a more or less define background and you can get an idea where they are going, Finn is a blank page. His life started as soon as he refused o kill the innocent villagers and from there all hi has done is grow, he can pretty much do anything and that is exciting, since he is going to be the wildcard going forward, depending on where the story is going.
I have more to say but I feel lazy, maybe later on, great movie guys I can understand why you guys love Star Wars so much.
PapaJustify
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Ah okay, so the scene was staged. But I was actually looking forward to it exactly because of the Snowtroopers. Didn't spot any of those though, unfortunately
Fix The Scientist
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Han Solo being killed by his evil sith lord son just screams fan fiction to me, i actually think kylo is a great character but i didn't like how that was done. I hope it pays off with some interesting character stuff in the next 2 movies. And i don't think the movie quite earned the sequence where an entire fucking star system gets wiped out. And Snoke sucks.
I forgive all of this though because they've hit it out of the park with the casting and chemistry between finn,rey,bb8,poe etc... It's just a joy to see a star wars movie that has so much charm and fun.
I forgive all of this though because they've hit it out of the park with the casting and chemistry between finn,rey,bb8,poe etc... It's just a joy to see a star wars movie that has so much charm and fun.
Cool write up. I'm of two minds when it comes to Kylo.
Should he actually follow in his grandfathers footsteps and seek forgiveness and redemption in the end? Killing Han is some pretty unforgivable shit
But then going full evil and getting taken out in the end is pretty predictable and boring so idk
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nephilimdj
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This shot wasn't present, was it? You heard him pop the lightsaber off screen as Finn and Rey were leaving the base, the shot was on them two, right?
Pretty sure this was when she touch the lightsaber, was like 7 little scenes over 10secs
edit: oh just saw the dodgy cam video 10 pages back, it isnt
Atraveller
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I thought he said he wasn't in the movie?
i dont see why it doesnt make sence ...
... it was just celebration of victory on Endor and destruction of 2nd Death Star + the pwersonal appearance of force ghosts => nothing there suggesting they've won whole war with Empire accross the galaxy - just one major victory
BluenoseGames
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Just got back from watching it and all I can say is Han ... why ...
But yeah Finn, Rey and Poe were great - brilliant casting.
But yeah Finn, Rey and Poe were great - brilliant casting.
SoldierIce64
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I thought VII was a flawed but really solid Star Wars movie. I have my share of complaints but it didn't ruin the excitement I had while watching the movie.
My body tensed up during the Han and Kylo scene (even though I knew it was coming for multiple reasons) because I didn't want my suspicions to be true, I wanted Han to live. The way he died was pretty merciless. He didn't get a funeral where his friends could pay respects, he just got stabbed through the chest and thrown down an endless shaft by his own son. At first I disliked the way they killed him off but now I like it alot because it made me hate Kylo and Snoke as villains even more.
I loved BB-8's humor. It never came off as annoying like Jar-Jar, it felt more like an extension of R2 but different because of his increased mobility and smaller design.
I'm sad that Captain Phasma became "Boba Fett Part II" but I also knew they tried to pack a lot into this movie already so I expect her to get fleshed out in the sequel (maybe her and Boba Fett meet?).
I enjoyed Finn and Rey, they had good chemistry together and interesting stories, I can't wait to see what happens to them over the course of the trilogy.
Kylo Ren was also enjoyable. I'm glad that he is a bad tempered and inexperienced villain, it's a good character trait that gives him depth and makes him stand out from Grandpa Vader. I also thought the rivialry between Kylo and Hux was well done, always trying to one-up each other.
Andy Serkis did a great performance as Snoke. At first I was put off by the idea that he was a giant alien but when I found out it was just a hologram to give him a more intimidating appearance then I was fine. I'm really curious to see his story.
My only real complaint is that about 30 minutes into the movie you start to see a story resemblence to A New Hope (mixed with small elements of Empire and Return) so some of the tension dies down a bit. Luckily, the interesting characters and action kept me focused on the screen instead of thinking about the outcome too much.
Overall, The Force Awakens surpassed Episode I-III easily within the first 20 minutes and that's all I could ask for. This will be a movie I will watch over and over again just like the Original Trilogy. Congrats to J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan and everyone else that made the film possible, Star Wars is now fully operational.
My body tensed up during the Han and Kylo scene (even though I knew it was coming for multiple reasons) because I didn't want my suspicions to be true, I wanted Han to live. The way he died was pretty merciless. He didn't get a funeral where his friends could pay respects, he just got stabbed through the chest and thrown down an endless shaft by his own son. At first I disliked the way they killed him off but now I like it alot because it made me hate Kylo and Snoke as villains even more.
I loved BB-8's humor. It never came off as annoying like Jar-Jar, it felt more like an extension of R2 but different because of his increased mobility and smaller design.
I'm sad that Captain Phasma became "Boba Fett Part II" but I also knew they tried to pack a lot into this movie already so I expect her to get fleshed out in the sequel (maybe her and Boba Fett meet?).
I enjoyed Finn and Rey, they had good chemistry together and interesting stories, I can't wait to see what happens to them over the course of the trilogy.
Kylo Ren was also enjoyable. I'm glad that he is a bad tempered and inexperienced villain, it's a good character trait that gives him depth and makes him stand out from Grandpa Vader. I also thought the rivialry between Kylo and Hux was well done, always trying to one-up each other.
Andy Serkis did a great performance as Snoke. At first I was put off by the idea that he was a giant alien but when I found out it was just a hologram to give him a more intimidating appearance then I was fine. I'm really curious to see his story.
My only real complaint is that about 30 minutes into the movie you start to see a story resemblence to A New Hope (mixed with small elements of Empire and Return) so some of the tension dies down a bit. Luckily, the interesting characters and action kept me focused on the screen instead of thinking about the outcome too much.
Overall, The Force Awakens surpassed Episode I-III easily within the first 20 minutes and that's all I could ask for. This will be a movie I will watch over and over again just like the Original Trilogy. Congrats to J.J. Abrams, Lawrence Kasdan and everyone else that made the film possible, Star Wars is now fully operational.
Noisepurge
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What?! I think we need 3 prequel movies explaining the genesis of the red arm!
Last_colossi
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I just got back from the cinemas.
I thought the first act (first 45min or so) was fine, not amazing but, good none the less. I did like Finn and Rey's chemistry on screen and their little escapades at the beggining.... BUT once they revealed that
My reaction was "ooook....that MIGHT work, but he better not kill Han".
And then the last act......
Woooooh boy!, I am pissed and we only got to see 30 SECONDS of Luke, are you fucking kidding me.
I say this as a Star Wars fan that did not grow up with the originals but have seen all three many many times: 6.5/10
I thought the first act (first 45min or so) was fine, not amazing but, good none the less. I did like Finn and Rey's chemistry on screen and their little escapades at the beggining.... BUT once they revealed that
Kylo Ren is Han Solo & Leia's son
And then the last act......
Woooooh boy!, I am pissed and we only got to see 30 SECONDS of Luke, are you fucking kidding me.
I say this as a Star Wars fan that did not grow up with the originals but have seen all three many many times: 6.5/10
I think you've forgotten that the Victory Celebration sequence in the Special Edition featured shots of different planets all celebrating the death of the Empire including a very special guest appearance by Jar Jar Binks.
I don't know what you're talking about, that never happened. Maybe you dreamed it.
The names of the various institutions implies that there was some period of peace following Jedi. "Republic" suggests the emergence of a more democratic sovereign state which has been freed of the totalitarian regime of the Empire, while "Resistance", as opposed to rebels, suggest a group of people fighting an outside invading force. Clearly there's meant to have been some widespread peace following the death of Palpatine, even if there were some pockets of Imperial supporters still holding on.
I think they made a big deal about Rey just overpowering Kylo everytime they clashed their force powers, as well as they made a point about how emotional Kylo is (Crying before killing Han, destroying stuff when Rey escaped, stuff like that). I am not exactly sure what his motivations for seeking power are (Maybe Han just sucked as a dad? Luke was too good as a teacher? I guess they will go deeper in that later on) but its clear he needs more, and having him lose twice to a novice has to hurt his pride.
So his character arc could be motivated a lot about defeating Rey in a personal way.
Killing Han seems unforgivable to us viewers since we know Han as per the original trilogy, but we really know very little about his real motivations other than to prove himself he could and that Han may not be a great dad.
Dash_Riprock
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Does Kylo know that Vader redeemed himself before he died? Whether or not he does massively impacts his character...
AND WHERE THE HELL IS LANDO!?
AND WHERE THE HELL IS LANDO!?
Also incredibly excited about the mention of the first Jedi Temple - it sounds like the Jedi version of Korriban/Moraband and it's exciting to see what the new films will have to say on the time period before the prequels, I think Luke will discuss this at the start of Episode VIII (presumably this is where he is at the end of the film?)
No, I find that extremely unlikely.
Just like Vader? It's poetry.
I'd like to see him kill Snoke to mirror Vader, but then instead of it being a part of his redemption, he takes the mantle as big bad overlord villain - something that makes him stand out as so much worse than Vader before him.
That could be a great end to the next movie. You see them go up against each other. Maybe there's some light-side whispers in Kylo's ear and you think he's going to kill Snoke and turn to the light, but then he butchers Snoke followed by some good guys and has the hissy fit he had when Rey escaped times fifty, the final shot his anguished cries of rage and cut to credits. Oh god we've created a monster!
higgsboson1997
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Saw it again. Holds up really, really well. My ranking:
A New Hope (9/10)
The Force Awakens (9/10)
Empire Strikes Back (8.5/10)
Revenge of the Sith (8/10)
Return of the Jedi (8/10)
The Phantom Menace (7/10)
Attack of the Clones (6.5/10)
A New Hope (9/10)
The Force Awakens (9/10)
Empire Strikes Back (8.5/10)
Revenge of the Sith (8/10)
Return of the Jedi (8/10)
The Phantom Menace (7/10)
Attack of the Clones (6.5/10)
crackhead_bob
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I'm wondering if complaints of the familiar retreads would be more widespread had the prequels been decent. Do the nostalgic beats feel natural or forced? To be honest, I'm more concerned if the acting and writing is good. I think alot of fans feel letdown to the point that if this film is merely decent it will have done its job. Many are saying Abrams has played it safe, but maybe that's what this property needs going out the gate.
I was thinking that too. The anti-redemption story -- a trope that hasn't been explored by Hollywood in depth as it relates to the classic hero's journey. For anyone who has seen this film, did anyone get the sense that Kylo Ren was written as a remedy to prequel Anakin? Ren's described as moody as well, but in the right way, I'm assuming. No?
I was thinking that too. The anti-redemption story -- a trope that hasn't been explored by Hollywood in depth as it relates to the classic hero's journey. For anyone who has seen this film, did anyone get the sense that Kylo Ren was written as a remedy to prequel Anakin? Ren's described as moody as well, but in the right way, I'm assuming. No?
I thought that was well timed. Chewy had returned without Han thanks to his son and plus Rey had proved she was a someone, not a no one. Luke would've wanted to know what has happened.
I like that now both the dark side and the light side have "rookies" that will get extensive training. Looking forward to the inevitable confrontation(s) after that. In many films the villains are already top-tier, with the protagonist being clumsy/weak/unprepared/etc. Now it seems we will get the journey for new potential masters on both sides. Kylo is an interesting villain; I hope they do his transition to a more seasoned and intimidating villain well (if at all).
New characters are all very likeable and have something distinct about them, which is great. This films sets up the stage for what is to come in an excellent way. And my SW childhood hero dying because he wanted to help his son did make impact on me for sure, even though I fully realized it was going to happen (channeling Vader vs Kenobi). Very glad Ford was shining once more as Solo in this film.
Also, regarding the people saying the story has not been written yet. Really? I mean, they must have the basics set in stone right? Making a new script of how events unfold does not mean they do not have the background stories ("lore") present already. I honestly expect them to already know who Snoke is, whom's daughter Rey is, what Lukes plans were/are etc.
Indeed, there is much potential in Kylo as a villain. I really hope they make him a villain to behold, as they fully intended him to come off as an unsecure hothead in this film. I wouldn't mind a redemption at one point (like Vader), but I hope he will be a full on villain first.
Or the other way around, with Rey going the
(my KOTOR experience) route and Kylo becoming the hero. I could dig that as well.
New characters are all very likeable and have something distinct about them, which is great. This films sets up the stage for what is to come in an excellent way. And my SW childhood hero dying because he wanted to help his son did make impact on me for sure, even though I fully realized it was going to happen (channeling Vader vs Kenobi). Very glad Ford was shining once more as Solo in this film.
Also, regarding the people saying the story has not been written yet. Really? I mean, they must have the basics set in stone right? Making a new script of how events unfold does not mean they do not have the background stories ("lore") present already. I honestly expect them to already know who Snoke is, whom's daughter Rey is, what Lukes plans were/are etc.
Indeed, there is much potential in Kylo as a villain. I really hope they make him a villain to behold, as they fully intended him to come off as an unsecure hothead in this film. I wouldn't mind a redemption at one point (like Vader), but I hope he will be a full on villain first.
Or the other way around, with Rey going the
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I love the film as a long time fan of Star Wars, but my favourite thing about it is that it manages to capture a lot of the plot points and themes of the original trilogy all in one movie which catches new viewers up fairly quickly & gets it all out of the way now so the next 2 movies can be all fresh. It retreads in a safe, but exciting way.
I'd love to know what people who haven't seen 1-6 think of it.
Spot on. He's emo Anakin done well. I really liked when he addressed the Vader helmet "guide me grandfather, I want to finish what you started but I keep getting pulled toward the light" was just the right side of awkward-prequel dialogue for me & conveyed the inner turmoil
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