[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Dash_Riprock
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No wonder Mark Hamill looked so happy at the premiere. Imagine how much money he made for his 30 seconds of screen time.
Money hasn't been a problem for Hamil for a long time, based on what I heard.
JimmyRustler
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Yes, a lot of people (including myself) complained about this here. Someone made a good comparison with Halo in that regard (minimum plot in the game, everything else in the books).
Tricky I Shadow
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Well that was disappointing.
It felt way too safe, predictable and by the numbers. It's good, but nothing special. Not worth all the hysteria/hype.
It felt way too safe, predictable and by the numbers. It's good, but nothing special. Not worth all the hysteria/hype.
Dash_Riprock
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Lucas had a master plan. And he still fucked it up.
Just watched it again and purely based on the imagery I think Rey is related to Kenobi.
- She's the one that gives Luke his father's lightsaber
The mind trick thing on a trooper
When she goes to flip the switch on Starkiller Base the troopers are talking about a BT-17, when Obi-Wan turns of the tractor beam the troopers talk about the BT-16
She's the one that gets the message, in this case a map, to play from BB-8 (not entirely sure but Kylo references it when interrogating her) same as Obi-Wan getting the full message to play from R2, same thing happens when she arrives at the resistance base, R2 wakes up.
When she has her force vision the voice that says 'Rey' sounds just like Sir Alec Guinness
It's true. He has a percentage on the original film which will pay him and his family for literally forever. And he is one the highest paid voice over actors in the business.
The Rolling Stone piece on him noted with surprise just how massive of lot he has in LA where he lives. Dude is very very well off. Almost assuredly far more so than anyone else in the originals next to Ford.
StrongArmSteady
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Wow this is way better than eps 1-3... some corny scenes but overall a great movie.
The Hermit
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Twist: he becomes the big bad of the Final trilogy.
Imagine Joker with lighsaber
She knows the stories of Jedi and Han Solo's adventures. I suppose part of those stories would have been "the Jedi were powerful wizards, able to control the will of any weaker mind and have them do their bidding by just telling them to"
Just like Luke was never shown how to move objects with the power of the force, yet he pulled his lightsaber out of the Snow. Where the hell did he think he could do this? one might ask.
An easier explanation would be that both of them had some further conversation with their mentors (Ben Kenobi / Han Solo) which weren't shown, where they were told story about what skills a powerful Jedi has.
(Obiwan to hype Luke up, so he'd want to become a Jedi, too. Han Solo because Rey most likely kept nagging him for stories about the olden times. "Yeah, that one time, Luke made a droid float to amaze some Ewoks. And that other time, he managed to get into Jabba's palace by simply using some weird Jedi persuasion on Jabba's personal assistant. Amazing stuff, kid!"
This criticism, and you're entitled to it so don't let me stop you, doesn't make much sense to me.
It's a Star Wars movie. That's what it needs to be. That's what it was and that's what's so great about it. Of course it's gonna feel familiar, at least half of the reason the PT was so bad is because it wasn't.
I don't feel this movie left unanswered questions anywhere near to the extent Lost did.
This shot wasn't present, was it? You heard him pop the lightsaber off screen as Finn and Rey were leaving the base, the shot was on them two, right?
I kept looking for that shot, either i missed it or it wasn't in the movie.
Vampirolol
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Maybe it was in the dream sequence, half of the trailer is a fucking dream in the movie, think about Ren's knights.This shot wasn't present, was it? You heard him pop the lightsaber off screen as Finn and Rey were leaving the base, the shot was on them two, right?
There was a shot of Kylo in the snow, but it was over the shoulder of Rey -- and he kind of jump scared her from behind a tree, he came at her front facing.
BigTastyBurger666
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This shot wasn't present, was it? You heard him pop the lightsaber off screen as Finn and Rey were leaving the base, the shot was on them two, right?
Nope, not present.
I would hazard a guess, Ren has time to get out of the base and ahead of Finn and Rey as they're climbing down from the upper platform.
No, it was certainly cut out. I guess its function in the teaser as reveal for the crossguard design was already taken care of, so a dramatic off-screen audio cue was more useful.
chesspieceface
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You know what, I don't mind.
The "story" of the prequel is actually pretty great. It is ruined by a shitty script, poor actor performances et bad directing in general.
TFA is the opposite: Great actor performances, great direction, but the shittiest story of all the 7 films. I still can't get around how much the story suck, I'm still in shock
Yeah Renn is hurt which matches them evenly because (in my theory) he's a bit older and would have had more advanced training.
I can't remember the exact quote about completing his training with Snoke, but it could mean he started his training with Luke, now he'll complete it with Snoke?
Don't get the complaint about Rey, she's absolutely what Yoda call a Jedi, she's better than Luke at everything and it's probably because she fought for her life since she was a kid when luke was a galactic peasant.
Didn't Yoda said the Force was his better ally ? that the force is strong and we don't need something else ? Luke didn't get it but that doesn't mean Rey couldn't, Anakin is using the force by instinct since he was a kid and that's why he's an amazing pilot.
Didn't Yoda said the Force was his better ally ? that the force is strong and we don't need something else ? Luke didn't get it but that doesn't mean Rey couldn't, Anakin is using the force by instinct since he was a kid and that's why he's an amazing pilot.
Yeah, he started with Luke but Snoke says in the film he'll finish his training.
Combined with his emotions and incomplete training, not being 100% boss in a fight is to be expected IMO. Not to mention he was in injured against Rey and Rey clearly wanted it more when she fought back. He was a wreck by that point. Ironing out the kinks and making him much more efficient and emotionless is no doubt one of his future goals.
Just my take on Kylo.
chesspieceface
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This is Star Wars for the ADD generation
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It was a kinda sloppy mess that played way too hard on nostalgia without earning it. Which is pretty much how I feel about Into Darkness; an enjoyable romp while watching but doesn't stand up to scrutiny after the fact. Whether or not that's something I'm cool with I have no idea. Need to see at least once more so... ok.
My big takeaways are;
Rey, Finn and Poe are great. Loved them all.
The bait and switches from the trailers were kinda brilliant, so bravo there, JJ and co.
Kylo does nothing for me and the mask is all kinds of shit.
New 'Emperor' is awful. Snoke is a crap name.
Phasma was a complete waste of time. Added nothing. A lot of the Stormtrooper types screamed "We need more action figures".
I don't get at all the relationship between the New Republic (RIP), the First Order and the Resistance. I mean, what the fuck? Why is the Resistance separate to the Republic? Me mind boggles.
My big takeaways are;
Rey, Finn and Poe are great. Loved them all.
The bait and switches from the trailers were kinda brilliant, so bravo there, JJ and co.
Kylo does nothing for me and the mask is all kinds of shit.
New 'Emperor' is awful. Snoke is a crap name.
Phasma was a complete waste of time. Added nothing. A lot of the Stormtrooper types screamed "We need more action figures".
I don't get at all the relationship between the New Republic (RIP), the First Order and the Resistance. I mean, what the fuck? Why is the Resistance separate to the Republic? Me mind boggles.
NekoFever
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That's correct. Apparently the conditions on the island wouldn't be right during principal photography for Episode VIII, so they did it early.
Yeah, sounds about right to me.
I really hope Kylo is absent for most of the next movie, then in the last act there's the big reveal (or better yet, save if for the third movie) and he's properly mentally deranged & a bit robotic (to stay on-theme for a SW villain)
PapaJustify
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Don't forget that Kylo most likely was drawn to the dark side from birth.
Han says something along the lines of 'he has too much vader in him' and Leia responds 'that's why I sent him to Luke'. So the affinity for the dark side is not something he developed while being trained by Luke.
Han says something along the lines of 'he has too much vader in him' and Leia responds 'that's why I sent him to Luke'. So the affinity for the dark side is not something he developed while being trained by Luke.
I just found out about this a couple of pages ago and it still doesn't seem very believable. Like, they have to at least already know why Luke disappeared or why Rey is attuned with the force and her backstory being left on Jakku right?
You know what, I don't mind.
The "story" of the prequel is actually pretty great. It is ruined by a shitty script, poor actor performances et bad directing in general.
TFA is the opposite: Great actor performances, great direction, but the shittiest story of all the 7 films. I still can't get around how much the story suck, I'm still in shock
Whoever wrote the story had probably A New Hope playing in the background....it's pathetic and its so obvious this movie only purpose is to suck up to the community...
D.Lo
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Yeah the making it up as it goes along thing makes no sense of a trilogy, I call bullshit.
They definitely have a broad plan for all the main arcs. Sure the planets they visit and action scenes can be done individually, but not the main overarching plot.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Yep. I highly value originality, and this hardly had any originality. It falls inline with stuff like:
Toy Story 2 --> Toy Story 3
Jurassic Park --> Jurassic World
Uncharted 2 --> Uncharted 3
The Force Awakens doesn't differentiate itself enough from A New Hope. I mean it's fine to give nods every now and then, but the movie crossed that line and went too far. As a result a lot of the magic and sense of wonder was gone because it felt way too familiar and predictable. It just felt like it was going through the motions.
TFA is the opposite: Great actor performances, great direction, but the shittiest story of all the 7 films. I still can't get around how much the story suck, I'm still in shock
Yes! Exactly this. I said before that I had some gripes about Ren being defeated by Rey and Han's dead not carrying any weight, but I could've overlooked this if the story was at least exciting. I wanted to sit on the edge of my seat wondering what was going to happen next, but about halfway through the movie it dawned on me that there is nothing original about the plot or the places the movie took us as viewers.
The prequels were bad and downright awful in places, but they did try to break new ground. The story itself could've worked had it not been so utterly mishandled.
VII played it extremely safe. Perhaps not by having a black and a female lead, which I think is a great, well executed move, but it doesn't enhance my enjoyment of the film. Finn and Rey are very good, but they do not make up for story being so utterly dull.
For some reason I kind of want to see it again though.
I sort of get the feeling that the New Republic is the democracy that is swiftly and clumsily put together in the wake of the fall of the Empire, but that there are a few groups like The First Order that are the remnants of the Empire, isolated and growing on their own - probably each wanting to nip the New Republic in the bud. The Resistance would be the evolution of The Rebellion - there's probably too many political hurdles and too much work for the New Republic to do as it scrambles to unite the galaxy, so I don't imagine they have the resources to defend themselves, which is where The Resistance comes into play, as a group that's protecting the newly formed Republic as it gets itself started up.
Generic Power Ranger
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I hope we see a third faction coming as a way to shake things up, in the next movies.
That looks like an EW photo shoot to me, it looks like Kylo was shot in isolation. Those Snow troopers look dope though.
Agree with all of this. I thought it was enjoyable and a pretty good film, but very easy to criticie after the fact. For me, it just failed to justify the need for new Star Wars movies. As bad as the prequels were, there was a gap in the story that was begging to be filled in. This felt like they just hit a reset switch after the victory of Jedi purely for the sake of generating a lot of money. I know that's how Hollywood works, but it'd be nice if they tried to disguise it by thinking about the actual cultural value of what they do.
I'm sure they already have Rey's backstory. Seems pretty clear she at least trained under Luke and at most is his biological daughter.
Mahnmut
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This was a picture taken by Annie Leibovitz. It's not supposed to be in the movie. Just
pictures she took on set.
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood...rs-the-force-awakens-photos-annie-leibovitz#1
The way I see it, we're now in post-Nazi German Empire period. The galaxy is divides into factions, regions are controlled one way or the other. The Empire fell, but all those grand moff's, admirals and generals don't just go away. They fractured and split up and much of the galaxy is still under tyrannical control from one faction or the other. The First Order is likely the biggest one when Snoke took command of a big faction of former Empire military.
The Resistance continues to battle these oppressors, while the New Republic is (was) composed of a coalition of free planets (East vs. West). The Republic secretly supports the resistance who is trying to free the planets under military oppression, but doesn't do so openly as they try to maintain some sort of cold war stand-off between their free planets and the First Order controlled planets.
chesspieceface
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"Hey look at how authentic we are with all these rubber man-in-suit creatures all over the place! Just like ANH!"
Then proceed to introduce a CG character that looks worse than Jar-Jar Binks did 15 years ago
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Then proceed to introduce a CG character that looks worse than Jar-Jar Binks did 15 years ago
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This film probably has my favourite cast in the whole series, but as others have mentioned the reliance on A New Hope was a little over the top. I also really didn't like how the environments looked, they lacked some sort of alien feel if that makes any sense? Apart from Jakku they all easily could have been on Earth, more so than anything in the original trilogy. It also doesn't help that the cinematography doesn't really feel like Star Wars, no more classic transitions between shots.
I'm also worried now that all of the lore and world-building is going to be relegated to the Expanded Universe. Like how C-3P0 got his red arm - seems to be a major change in the character and from what I understand it's only explained in the comics? Absolutely no explanation for the major conflict either, the whole thing kind of expects you to play along because these story beats (empire vs resistance, giant superweapon, etc.) are just what happens in a Star Wars film without any of it really feeling earned. Partially due to the frenetic pacing, I would have preferred a longer run time so that the scenes are given room to breathe. I hope that we delve more into the world in the next instalment - after all, A New Hope was quite a simplistic story also.
Having said that, absolutely amazing characters and character moments, Kylo Ren is what Episode II Anakin should have been, and Snoke, stupid name aside, is very mysterious and can't wait to see more of him. A solid foundation, if a little underwhelming, but as long as the next two films focus more on the new cast and less on the old there is potential for some real great Star Wars stories here.
I'm also worried now that all of the lore and world-building is going to be relegated to the Expanded Universe. Like how C-3P0 got his red arm - seems to be a major change in the character and from what I understand it's only explained in the comics? Absolutely no explanation for the major conflict either, the whole thing kind of expects you to play along because these story beats (empire vs resistance, giant superweapon, etc.) are just what happens in a Star Wars film without any of it really feeling earned. Partially due to the frenetic pacing, I would have preferred a longer run time so that the scenes are given room to breathe. I hope that we delve more into the world in the next instalment - after all, A New Hope was quite a simplistic story also.
Having said that, absolutely amazing characters and character moments, Kylo Ren is what Episode II Anakin should have been, and Snoke, stupid name aside, is very mysterious and can't wait to see more of him. A solid foundation, if a little underwhelming, but as long as the next two films focus more on the new cast and less on the old there is potential for some real great Star Wars stories here.
Dash_Riprock
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Yes, the politics of the galaxy post-RotJ needs to be explained. I think JJ deliberately didn't after what happened with the PT, though.
Come on, he was completely taken apart and put together in the span of a few minutes in ESB.
He's a droid and he's with the resistance, there was a fight, it got blown off as they were retreating and they didn't have a gold one laying around so just used a spare arm they could find. There really doesn't need to be a big explanation around it, all it was meant to do is show the audience that time had past and things happened to these characters (i.e. they weren't all just sitting around for 30 years for this new story to happen).
Blue Ninja
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I saw that as her having heard a lot of stories about the Jedi when she was younger, stuff she thought was a myth. Then she finds out it's all real, and she even has a certain command over the Force, so she just decides to wing it.
Dash_Riprock
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I'm just curious whether the First Order is a major threat that controls a large chunk of the galaxy or is just seen more as a terrorist nuisance.
I believe the red arm will be explained in a comic or short comic series this month or next?
EDIT: 1-Shot comic in February.
Loved 3P0s introduction though, great moment. Used him just the right amount too which was nice, let BB8 be the droid hero of this one.
EDIT: 1-Shot comic in February.
Loved 3P0s introduction though, great moment. Used him just the right amount too which was nice, let BB8 be the droid hero of this one.
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