[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Cindres said:
There's no bottom to Cloud City? Are we all just forgetting the tunnels where Luke ended? I mean sure he got thrown out but that didn't necessarily need to happen to the light saber.

Honestly I think the idea some guy just found it then it got traded around is fine.
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In the old visual dictionary the very bottom of the shaft is a massive reactor. It's not bottomless.

Luke and Vader still in the main body of the city tho (the shaft goes through almost to the top) as Luke lands on the underside rather than the bottom.
 
Hot Coldman said:
yeah, I mean shit why the fuck would they just encounter the MILLENIUM FALCON of all things on the planet Rey lives on???? omg abrams what a hack
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lol I didn't even think of that, but to be fair, that does make its own internal logic. The falcon's history of changing hands is something the universe has already established. It ties into Han's life as a smuggler and swindler. Ending up on the planet Rey is on is a coincide, but it's also notable in that it's a plot motivator, in that it happens early on in the film and gets things going (as a general rule you can get away with more coincidences at the start of a film than you can later), and has an explanation that Han eventually gives. The lightsaber meanwhile, disappeared on Bespin then ended up in that weird creature's canteen. It also supposedly has its own story but that is deemed "not important right now". Because it makes no sense, is spin-off material (fuck spin-offs, by the way), or because marketers wanted that shit on cereal boxes, we simply don't know. And it comes far too late in the film and is far too pivotal to Rey's development to be an acceptable brush-off. Bad writing.
 
After the second viewing, was it supposed to be ambiguous that rey is Luke's daughter or just bad dialogue and acting?

I thought rey says "Luke?" When maz says "what you are looking for is in the future not the past". Maz also says "it's Luke sky walkers lightsaber, his fathers before him and now it calls you". She then storms off and says something like "I don't want to be a part of it".

Also, when ren is trying to mind read her, ren says "I can see a great ocean and an island". Where is there a great ocean an island- where Luke is.

Someone earlier in the thread said that Luke is reys father and he dumped her on jakku when he went into hiding. However I do believe that rey had been in training with Luke on that planet at the end before she was sent to Jakku.
 
Savitar said:
Been wondering for some time how people would take Han's death, they went ballistic over Chewies in the old EU. Han's even more beloved. But maybe it being a movie thing will make them deal easier.
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Also not being killed by the plot of an Itchy and Scratchy cartoon helped.

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Although.....

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Why, why, my only son..
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There's gonna be so many BB-8 gifs, he's such a delight in this film. I love his little quirks, like how he rolls back and forth in one place when he's agitated or excited.

Dat thumbs-up... The entire theatre erupted in laughter
 
Creamium said:
There's gonna be so many BB-8 gifs, he's such a delight in this film. I love his little quirks, like how he rolls back and forth in one place when he's agitated or excited.

Dat thumbs-up... The entire theatre erupted in laughter
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Yeah, it got the biggest laugh in my screening.

Messypandas said:
Anyone else instantly recognise Daniel Craigs voice as the stormtrooper. "I'll TIGHTEN those harnesses galactic scum".
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I thought I recognised that voice.
 
PairOfFilthySocks said:
lol I didn't even think of that, but to be fair, that does make its own internal logic. The falcon's history of changing hands is something the universe has already established. It ties into Han's life as a smuggler and swindler. Ending up on the planet Rey is on is a coincide, but it's also notable in that it's a plot motivator, in that it happens early on in the film and gets things going (as a general rule you can get away with more coincidences at the start of a film than you can later), and has an explanation that Han eventually gives. The lightsaber meanwhile, disappeared on Bespin then ended up in that weird creature's canteen. It also supposedly has its own story but that is deemed "not important right now". Because it makes no sense, is spin-off material (fuck spin-offs, by the way), or because marketers wanted that shit on cereal boxes, we simply don't know. And it comes far too late in the film and is far too pivotal to Rey's development to be an acceptable brush-off. Bad writing.
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I mean, I'm accepting it because it didn't impact my enjoyment. It's a MacGuffin.

I'm not saying you're wrong that the background was neglected, I'm just saying it's hard to care, personally. I was more interested in that wild vision sequence. I'd wager the writers made a decision at some point to cut that bit of exposition - possibly it threw pacing off, possibly it made no sense for someone to give enough of a shit to ask Maz "hey wtf why is this here?"- so I think "bad writing" is rather unfair.

I think the writers did enough by establishing a 30-year gap to allow things to move around the universe between ROTJ and TFA. You probably disagree.
 
PairOfFilthySocks said:
lol I didn't even think of that, but to be fair, that does make its own internal logic. The falcon's history of changing hands is something the universe has already established. It ties into Han's life as a smuggler and swindler. Ending up on the planet Rey is on is a coincide, but it's also notable in that it's a plot motivator, in that it happens early on in the film and gets things going (as a general rule you can get away with more coincidences at the start of a film than you can later), and has an explanation that Han eventually gives. The lightsaber meanwhile, disappeared on Bespin then ended up in that weird creature's canteen. It also supposedly has its own story but that is deemed "not important right now". Because it makes no sense, is spin-off material (fuck spin-offs, by the way), or because marketers wanted that shit on cereal boxes, we simply don't know. And it comes far too late in the film and is far too pivotal to Rey's development to be an acceptable brush-off. Bad writing.
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A weird creature who:
1. Collects old shit
2. Knows the force, maybe enough to see the future
3. Knows Han, possibly Luke

It's such a minor as fuck plot point that it's for the best that the story is told through anything other than direct exposition. I doubt any spin off or comic or sequel will even go over it because it doesn't fucking matter.
 
MrHoot said:
I think my only main "gripe" (it's not a big one but it still stands out for me) is the starkiller base. You'd think after having two death stars blown up by a rag tag team of underfunded pilots, they would probably rethink their strategy, or at least protect it better. But nope, let's make it bigger, more powerful and equally as defenseless (if not more, in comparison) to the last one. Where did they even get the funds, the material and the time ?

I loved the first order throughout the entire 2/3rd of the movie but the ending kiiiinda makes them a bit of a joke when it comes to planning. It feels after this, everything they'd do could be countered super easily
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To be fair, they kept that base hidden quite well. In fact, they wiped out the entire New Republic with it. It is only afterwards they know it exists and where it is. And even then if it wasn't for them getting lucky with Rey and Finn being around that they even managed to destroy it.

And before people complain about how this movie is too convenient again. If Luke didn't happen to show up at the rebellion at the end of ANH, nobody would have been able to make that shot that destroys the Death Star. Because everyone got destroyed or missed. Or if Solo wasn't around just in time to shoot Vader and allow Luke to try the shot, for that matter.
 
Inferno313 said:
Yeah. Like that time R2D2 was sent by Leia and just happened to land right next to her brother, who coincidentally lived right next to the guy R2D2 was sent to.
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Wrong. R2 had his own story all the way from when he landed on the planet to when he got to Luke's home. A more apt comparison would be if the footage containing R2/3PO's escape and journey was cut and we just had Luke come across the droids, then never got any explanation for the rest of the film as to where they came from.

Or like that time a single probe droid was sent to Hoth, and managed to land feet from Luke.
Or like that time Luke only knew what system Yoda was in, but landed feet from him on the first planet he tried.
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I am aware that Star Wars is a space opera. The notion that the inner logic of the world doesn't care much for the sheer size of planets isn't lost upon me.
Star Wars is the king of random contrived coincidences, but here's the thing, they don't actually matter to the quality of the film. Characters, emotions, the experience, that's what matters, not how "realistic" everything is.
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The lightsaber is literally what kick-starts Rey's journey for the second half of the film. It simply has to have a reason to have ended up in that chest. Fate is indeed a strong theme in the series, but it's generally backed up by a good dose of luck-induced coincidence. The lightsaber is just bs McGuffin levels of coincidence.

Thinking about it, I don't get why they didn't just have Han/Leia held onto it after Luke went back to recover it or something, would have been fairly acceptable. But I guess that's one less potential comic/novel/tv show, and we can't have that.

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munchie64 said:
A weird creature who:
1. Collects old shit
2. Knows the force, maybe enough to see the future
3. Knows Han, possibly Luke
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"Maybe"
"Possibly"
It's such a minor as fuck plot point
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lolno
that it's for the best that the story is told through anything other than direct exposition. I doubt any spin off or comic or sequel will even go over it because it doesn't fucking matter.
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It's perfectly possible to derive any number of ways to have the origins of the lightsaber from its loss to its retrieval not have to rely on boring direct exposition. Glossing over it isn't the way to go.
 
darkinstinct said:
He was done calculating the star map.
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huh? this whole map thing bothered me. Should have been R2 has an encrypted location, bb-8 has the encryption key. The whole puzzle piece of a large map is just weird, and illogical. And it so happens to be a part of an unexplored section of the galaxy. Wouldn't it have helped the resistance just a tiny bit if R2 said, hey Luke is somewhere in this missing area, start there. Instead of just shutting down?

Anyways all this odd setup and explanations could have been avoided if it was just the encrypted location/key setup instead. And BB-8 just wakes R2 up with a shock or something instead.

Also obviously people can trasmit data across the galaxy with the spies using coms and such. Why couldnt BB-8 transmit the map back to the resistance?
 
I didn't feel the Starkiller Base attack was too bad, on second viewing.

They didn't leave an exhaust port, they didn't leave a giant shaft to the core open whilst it was being built.

They had a high ranking officer disable the shields.

They had to blow a hole in from inside, to even attempt to bring the oscillator down.

They then had to have the best goddamn pilot in the galaxy fly inside, and fuck shit up. I don't think fingers can be pointed at the First Order's engineers.

Just talking about Poe for a second, it was only in second viewing I appreciated his combo at the attack on Maz's. What an awesome chain of kills.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
Some of these TFN reviews are cracking me up. Once just said that Finn is worse than Jar Jar, Maul's a better character than Kylo and the lightsaber fight is the worst in the series. I can't...
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I've heard the Jar Jar one more than once unfortunately.

I hope for Boyega's sake that that doesn't get traction.
 
PairOfFilthySocks said:
It's perfectly possible to derive any number of ways to have the origins of the lightsaber from its loss to its retrieval not have to rely on boring direct exposition. Glossing over it isn't the way to go.
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The movie did just that. At least for the level that the plot point mattered - not much. What mattered was what happened when Rey found it, not how it got there. It's an object, it doesn't need a backstory.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
Some of these TFN reviews are cracking me up. Once just said that Finn is worse than Jar Jar, Maul's a better character than Kylo and the lightsaber fight is the worst in the series. I can't...
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Well the lightsaber fight was really lackluster, although it's perfectly understandable that these characters don't know how to properly fight yet, it makes sense. It's just not that satisfying to watch imo.
 
munchie64 said:
The movie did just that. At least for the level that the plot point mattered - not much. What mattered was what happened when Rey found it, not how it got there. It's an object, it doesn't need a backstory.
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The moment the "object" is "lost" is the from the most pivotal scene in the entire saga.
 
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