Yeah, General Hux not only talked shit to him, but he and Ren both reported to Snoke at the same time as equals, unlike Vader being above everyone (except Tarkin but that was before they'd really figured out Vader's role in Star Wars). He's definitely set up to make you think he's a Darth Vader clone, but then it's revealed he's in-universe a Darth Vader wannabe and everyone knows it.
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Yeah, General Hux not only talked shit to him, but he and Ren both reported to Snoke at the same time as equals, unlike Vader being above everyone (except Tarkin but that was before they'd really figured out Vader's role in Star Wars). He's definitely set up to make you think he's a Darth Vader clone, but then it's revealed he's in-universe a Darth Vader wannabe and everyone knows it.
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Did Phasma die / get thrown in a trash compactor? I was expecting WAY more out of her character.
I'm just starting to read this thread for the first time. Is there a way to view older versions of the plot spoilerboard from the OP? Would be fun to see how accurate it was a few weeks ago.
My theater was fairly quiet / subdued for a 7PM showing, but I'm not in L.A. currently so can't expect as much fanfare I guess. There were about 5 troopers, 1 Vader and a couple people in Jedi robes posing for pictures before the movie. Audience was fairly quiet during the movie, mostly just some light applause whenever OT characters were revealed. Better than wannabe comedians yelling out random stuff throughout the movie though, for sure
I'm just starting to read this thread for the first time. Is there a way to view older versions of the plot spoilerboard from the OP? Would be fun to see how accurate it was a few weeks ago.
My theater was fairly quiet / subdued for a 7PM showing, but I'm not in L.A. currently so can't expect as much fanfare I guess. There were about 5 troopers, 1 Vader and a couple people in Jedi robes posing for pictures before the movie. Audience was fairly quiet during the movie, mostly just some light applause whenever OT characters were revealed. Better than wannabe comedians yelling out random stuff throughout the movie though, for sure
Kylo Ren is like the goth kid who dresses in black and wears eyeliner to piss off his parents.
I don't mean that as a negative either. It's a brilliant choice to have him be so awkward and undecided. He's emulating his grandfather to piss off his parents.
If only JJ had directed the prequels, we might have had a decent Anakin.
I don't mean that as a negative either. It's a brilliant choice to have him be so awkward and undecided. He's emulating his grandfather to piss off his parents.
If only JJ had directed the prequels, we might have had a decent Anakin.
I had to really contain my laughter during that part haha
They literally felt like long lost brothers. The chemistry was indeed real, & I loved every second of it.
BronsonLee
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Oh I'd fucking die laughing if Snoke brought Han back to life just to troll Kylo
Just got back- overall? Good SW film, and bested the prequels easily.
First 40 minutes are great, and the call backs are perfect. Han's return was amazing.
Practical effects were top notch, nicely done and integrated really well with the CG effects. The whole First Order base was right out of Ep IV, well done.
But... 'Darth Emo' is the wimpiest villain in the series. Starys totally OP, Vader on steroids and then... suddenly juat forgoes the mask from time to time nonsensical reasons, won't stand up to a pretty-boy stuffed shirt in front of his boss, barely manages to win when fighting a clone trooper defector (ok, there's clues that Finn might be force sensitive), and then essentially survives on a technicality. He's a work in progress, I got that, but he's no Vader or Maul for sure.
First 40 minutes are great, and the call backs are perfect. Han's return was amazing.
Practical effects were top notch, nicely done and integrated really well with the CG effects. The whole First Order base was right out of Ep IV, well done.
But... 'Darth Emo' is the wimpiest villain in the series. Starys totally OP, Vader on steroids and then... suddenly juat forgoes the mask from time to time nonsensical reasons, won't stand up to a pretty-boy stuffed shirt in front of his boss, barely manages to win when fighting a clone trooper defector (ok, there's clues that Finn might be force sensitive), and then essentially survives on a technicality. He's a work in progress, I got that, but he's no Vader or Maul for sure.
They need to build on this.
I'm serious guys. Finn, a normal fucking guy, holding his own against a trained Force user. It felt more "at stakes" and human than anything SW has done in a long time. I was like "this is fucking happening." I just sort of hated both the haughty taughty bullshit of both the Jedi and Sith and the ego swinging after the PT. Does anyone get what I'm saying?
That's basically what I was expecting Anakin and Obi-Wan to be in the PT, but instead they don't even seem to like each other at all (and Obi-Wan seems to look after him out of obligation, not affection), let alone Obi-Wan fondly recalling him as a good friend in ANH.
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Rather have him than Rey be the a force user, not gonna lie. But he's definitely being set up as one even if it's not as obvious as Rey.
SCULLIBUNDO
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The first act was great. I thought the opening scene was kind of underwhelming though. I did love the shot of the planet with the spaceships drifting by. Fantastically framed. Striking stuff.
Im pretty sure that is why Christansen is in the next movie. He is the one that can bring balance to the force, so he is the one who will have to defeat snoke. Dont think for a second they dont want to put Vader back in the series again,
UberTag
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The way some of the Storm Troopers were clearly backing off whenever Kylo was spazzing gave me Space Balls vibes in a good way. (The humor was the one thing about this film I really dug.)
Maul stood there and let a man jump over him (when he had the high ground) then slice him in two. All his flips are negated when he has that lame a death. And no one, I repeat, no one is wimpier than General Grievous in Episode 3.
In any case, Ren is clearly not meant to be that kind of Vader badass villain.
One of my few disappointments with the movie was how quickly they tossed away Max von Sydow. :\ He was on screen for 5 minutes!
Dude's like 87 years old, I get why you maybe wouldn't hire him for an epic three-movie role, but give me a little more than that!
Obviously Plaguies, as you can see he had a huge cut down his forehead. Obviously from Palpatine "killing" him.
Guess he did save himself from death after all.
Han's death didn't hit me as hard as I thought it would (probably because I knew about it) but damn was that an awesome scene. I knew what was going to happen and my heart was still racing.
Also, the chemistry between the cast? Unreal. So. Fucking. Good. Rey, Finn and Poe may be my favorite characters in the whole series now.
Also, the chemistry between the cast? Unreal. So. Fucking. Good. Rey, Finn and Poe may be my favorite characters in the whole series now.
LumpOfCole
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I felt this film was far better than the prequels, and better than Jedi, but not quite the level of Hope or Empire.
The biggest winner of this film was BB-8. I feel like JJ Abrams did the impossible with that droid and made it even more likable/satisfying than R2-D2.
The biggest winner of this film was BB-8. I feel like JJ Abrams did the impossible with that droid and made it even more likable/satisfying than R2-D2.
She is her aunt or mother... You know that. So ep.8 starts 10 years after.... ep 7. Rey a bad ass Jedi and finn the new Han Solo rouge? So the big bad guy is one of Luke's disciples? This shit is going to get real in ep 8.
The coolest scene was the dream-ish thing with Rey when the first order siths are shown.
NihonTiger90
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It felt like it to me because when they fire the Starkiller the first time, there's a moment where Finn looks up at the blast and overlaying the shot are the screams of the people being killed on the Republic planets. It felt like that inferred to me he was having an Obi-Wan/Alderaan moment where he could feel their deaths in the Force.
I think the thing was that the Death Star was introduced to the audience long before you saw it in action in ANH, while in here it is introduced in the very scene where you see it first. In ANH it is a foreboding thread while here it's more of a "oh by the way this is here".
Future PhaZe
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Yeah I'm with you. Maybe it's just a suit or something dumb.
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He looks too old and damaged to be some random darksider. I wouldn't mind if he was Plagueis.
Also, the movie was fucking amazing. Star Wars is back! That duel between Rey and Ben was amazing. Also, awesome at Kylo's real name being Ben.
What star system did Starkiller Base destroy? They mentioned a name but I didn't catch it. It wasn't Coruscant or Corellia, was it?
Another thing there was a fucking drunk in our theater who had to escorted out about an hour in because he kept making wookiee noises.
The general vibe everyone gives of "Ah shit he's popping off again" around Ren was hilarious.
MHWilliams
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Like I said, she walks away with... pretty much everything.
It feels Finn needs a real purpose and Poe needs more screentime.
There's enough stuff that can be read in that direction that it's possible, but it's all down to Johnson, Abrams, and Kennedy.
We hear he is dead but we never see him so could be a chance
kopitarrulez_11
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So the msw plot leak ended up being mostly true I was hoping not but it was
BronsonLee
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Ren is Bad Cop
Ben is Good Cop!
Ben is Good Cop!
Nooo not 10 years after... I don't want time skips like AotC. You have to show the relationships forming on screen, not just told about them later
Ganzlinger
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Am I the only one who thinks Poe is the new Han rather than Finn?
Dude was pure sarcasm/irony when in the first act and when he was being tortured.
Dude was pure sarcasm/irony when in the first act and when he was being tortured.
god them holding back hux and kylo meeting up with snoke after the end fucking killed me
would have much rather seen that then rey meeting luke
also pretty pissed they are holding back on who rey's parents are
its gotta be either luke or han and leia
poe fucking up everyone in his x-wing was the best part for me and i feel like a fool for doubting adam driver
really hope we dont have to wait until episode 9 to figure out who snoke is
pretty obvious he has some wizard of oz shit going on though and isnt really that big
would have much rather seen that then rey meeting luke
also pretty pissed they are holding back on who rey's parents are
its gotta be either luke or han and leia
poe fucking up everyone in his x-wing was the best part for me and i feel like a fool for doubting adam driver
really hope we dont have to wait until episode 9 to figure out who snoke is
pretty obvious he has some wizard of oz shit going on though and isnt really that big
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I'm guessing I'm the only one who hates the fact the villain was unmasked already? I was reallyliking Kylo Ren's character but having the mask come off and the characters origins dropped in a single movie took the mystery away and he just lost all of that ominous vibe Vader had, which he also had until then IMO.
He's not meant to be Vader or Maul, that's the whole point. Even Abrams has made that point clear. I think deep down Kylo knows he can't be either. But Snope is going to train him fully either way, simply because he has no choice, and you bet that's going to make him so much worse.
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I actually liked the villain not being a master. Something really compelling about both the main protagonist and antagonist still having so much to learn.
I liked some of the camera work (in the opening 30 minutes or so the editing and cinematography are spot-on), but I did think the shots were a bit close overall in the middle and at the end. I wanted a few more contemplative, painterly shots like those that were influenced by George Lucas's love of Kurosawa and Westerns. Would have preferred it if the last shot with Luke and Rey had been a wide, static shot, instead of a helicopter flyaround. Found myself really missing shots like these:
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