[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
 
I think this movie accomplished what it was meant to do, establish new characters, and help people forget about the prequel trilogy stench.

I think it accomplished those very well.

But, like many, I thought it was too safe and formulaic.
 
FutureZombie said:
Good:

1) Han Solo, Chewie, Leia, Luke, C3PO, R2D2... all the old characters were great. Harrison Ford really delivered.

2) Rey was good, and the new droid was really cute.

3) The ending really makes the wait for the next film tough.

4) The costume were great. Everything looked really good and totally fit in with the original trilogy.

Bad:

1) There should have been some explanation of how The First Order, The Rebellion, and The Republic all fit together. I don't quite understand who is in control of what.

2) Kylo Ren should have left his helmet on... and he should not have gotten owned by someone who just picked up a lightsaber. So now he's not intimidating at all. Possibly worst of all, we don't see his motivation for joining the dark side. That should have been explained.

3) Another Death Star was lame, and it didn't stir up any emotions when it was destroyed. I was hoping the plot would really set things in a new direction with new villains that were intimidating and scary. Kylo Ren was a disappointment.


My hopes for episode VIII are lots of Luke, and a strengthened, more developed Kylo Ren. There were a lot of positives in this movie, but the story needs to take off. They played it too safe, and did not go in depth enough with the world building.
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Ren just got blasted and somehow survived. Most people would be on the ground waiting to die while he is out there pounding on the thing. That fight shows how powerful he is and how much potential Rey has.

He seems like a lost child who is questioning himself. Powerful yet vulnerable.
 
Only 2 minor complaints from me.
1. Plasma severely underused.
2. We learned nothing about the Knights of ren. The flash when ren picked up the saber we had a snippet from the trailer with rens soldiers behind him but that was it
 
Gleethor said:
Zero new starfighters bummed me out. Just X-wings and Ties for 30+ years huh
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They had a couple new ships I liked. Ren's shuttle was cool, and there was that one second of the quad runner before it exploded. But yeah, hopefully they step their game up for the ships in the next one.
 
figured out what I want out of episode 8

strong focus on finn, poe, and captain phasma with rey and kylo in training for a large portion of the movie

kylo (maybe with some help from benicio?) kicking rey's ass and sending the good guys back to the drawing board/ making finn and poe jedi too
 
Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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She seems to know her family so I doubt it's Luke.
 
Did anyone feel the sounds were a little off at the beginning? I'm thinking the sound mix was a little off at my theater. The first 10-15 minutes it felt like the blasters were almost silent, then the rest of the movie they sounded great.

Maybe just me.
 
Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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Everything points to Luke's daughter to me if she's connected to any character like that. Han/Leia would be really stupid given they were already dealing with their son.
 
GotchaForce said:
Theater had a line that wrapped around it and that wasn't surprising. That after we left, a line just as big being there is something I've never seen before. Movie's gonna be huuuuge.
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I haven't seen people line up for a film in about ten years.

Every main cinema chain here in the UK has online booking where you can choose your tickets, seating arrangement, placing in the theatre itself, screen and even what food and drink you want. I ordered my tickets two months ago. I've never had to worry about what seat I will get, its always sorted beforehand and its the same for everyone else I know too.

I can't believe cinemas where you can't book exist in this day and age. It's insane.
 
ngower said:
I thought the movie was great. Relied a bit too much on the old cast, and was a tad obvious, but overall I think it did precisely what it needed to as a set-up for the following two flicks. I wish it had been longer and certain scenes had been cut shorter, as I think there were just a few too many moments that dwelled a beat too long and others that just breezed through (that final lightsaber battle was like 3 minutes).

Still, I thought it was excellent. 4/5 stars.
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The entire Luke/Vader final lightsaber duel in ROTJ is about two minutes long. They cut away from it a few times but on-screen, you only see them actually fighting for a couple of minutes, and much of the scene is them talking. The best part, when Luke goes apeshit on Vader and defeats him is only about 30 seconds long.

Hell the entire final duel, final confrontation with the Emperor, and then Vader's death clocks in at under ten minutes in total. It's a little longer if you include the Emperor/Luke dialogue scenes before the duel, but still.
Compare to the hideous excess of the Obi-Wan/Anakin fight in Episode 3 where they demonstrate their complex dance routine for 400 hours while wandering around a big blue screen set.
 
For the record I don't even want more Phasma.

I'm perfectly fine with her being as useless as Fett. I do want more of that FO general though.
 
Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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I think that is it... At least that is what was going through my head during that last scene.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
Sigh, I guess.
That sucks imo.
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Why? The best part of the film is the new characters. The new cast has incredible chemistry and the three leads are great in their roles. It was marketed as a nostalgia trip because they wanted to pull old fans in, but the film absolutely does justice to its new elements to make those old fans (and new ones for that matter) want to stick around. I don't see what's so bad about that.
 
Also the special effects in this one were extremely lame.

Say what you want about George Lucas his worlds in the first six films looked much better.

The First Order base in the last act was as generic as they come. Lacked any atmosphere or personality.
 
I thought it was awesome that they didn't spend any time on the stupid political bullshit that bogged down the prequels. Let the characters breathe and nail the script.

Did the marathon, 18 hours of Star Wars goodness. Loved the new film.
 
Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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I was kind of feeling that she was Luke's daughter, but then someone pointed out that when Kylo reads her mind, he said she dreams of "oceans and islands". Then the planet she finds Luke on is full of ocean and islands.

Either they are fucking with us something fierce, or she's Luke's daughter.
 
Just got back. I didn't expect Abrams to reinvent the wheel, just put the wheel back on the bike, which he did. Nailed the tone, which is exactly what I wanted. This feels like Star Wars.

Other thoughts

So Lake attempted to build a Jedi Order, but Kylo destroyed it by turning to the darkside. Did Like not sense Snoke?

I know we'll get Snoke expanded upon, but it felt very Thanosy to me. Dude just sits in a chair directing. I assume by "complete his training" Snoke wants to build a new Sith Order?

Han dying hit me right in the feels.

Kylo being obsessed with his grandfather is an interesting take. As far as the remnants of the Empire are concerned, Vader is still a hero. The only person that knows the truth about Vaders redemption is Anakin.

I assume Rey is Lukes daughter?

As others have said, some explanation on the status of the universe as whole would have helped. Seems there's still no stability.

Solid 8/10 for me. I need to let it sink in, but this feels like Star Wars. 10 minutes in, and nothing the prequels did came anywhere close.
 
Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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I figured she wasn't related to anyone.

I guess Luke crying at the end could mean she's his daughter but I didn't think that.
 
I was really happy with how great Han and Chewie were. I was a little worried about Harrison Ford, but he was excellent. Han is the best Star Wars character now and forever.
 
I'm not really sure how I feel about Snoke. Great voice acting (that theme too) and wonderful presence but.. the face itself is soooooo blah.
 
entremet said:
Also the special effects in this one were extremely lame.

Say what you want about George Lucas his worlds in the first six films looked much better.

The First Order base in the last act was as generic as they come. Lacked any atmosphere or personality.
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No way. The First Order base was strikingly portrayed in it's sterility and pale bleakness. Loved that scene and the set piece. It felt Stalin-esque with it's hard iconoclastic disposition.
 
Enjoyable but the call backs are way too on the nose. Hopefully ep VIII and beyond can stand on their own.

Kylo stopping a blaster shot in thin air was awesome and something we've never seen a Jedi/Sith do, but then he ends up apparently an amateur force user? Strange.

Also the R2 thing seemed really silly. I don't know what the idea was there with him being in low power mode only to conveniently wake up at the proper time.

What was the point of C3PO's red arm? Just to set up a joke? It was "fixed" the next time we saw him. Why even make it a thing?

Still a lot of fun.
 
Rey could be Luke's daughter, I got that vibes for sure, but I think the movie was so obvious with that they might as well have just told us that if it was the case.
 
OK, who was the old guy at the beginning of the film that gave Poe the map? Were we supposed to know who that was?

Sephzilla said:
So, what's the general belief with Rey? I'm assuming she's Luke's daughter because of her connection to Luke and Anakin's lightsaber, her intentionally kept in the dark parents, and I don't think she's another daughter of Leia and Han because they'd almost certainly remember her.
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I think she is Luke's kid, but at the same time I hope I'm wrong. Kylo Ren worked great as the link to the old crew, I think it gets a bit silly to pile it on with her as well.
 
Napoleonthechimp said:
Oh, I'm sorry... "years". It was stolen (wouldn't it have to be active - and trackable - to be stolen) and he couldn't find it across the vast gulf of space for years.

But the issue with Han Solo just turning up is one of many things I've mentioned related to coincidences.

Also, Han being estranged from Leia seemed unnecessary because it ultimately went no where. It almost felt as if they went that direction because they wanted Han to be as the fans knew him... which was disappointing to me because it didn't seem realistic that a 70+ year old man would restart a life as a reckless smuggler after everything he's been through.

Also Kylo Ren's power levels and abilities seem inconsistent. I was pretty impressed when he had the power to stop that energy bolt, and do all of that other telekinetic stuff (that I don't even recall Darth Vader doing), but less so when he was dueling with Rey. "But he was injured!" Hm...

And these aren't things I'm bringing up just to be a dick btw, these are all things that crossed my mind when I saw the movie. Many of which led me to feeling cold toward the movie after it finished.
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I had the same thoughts about the blaster. He stops one coming unexpectedly from the side or behind at the beggining, but gets hit a few? times from directly in front of him( and above) from threats he surely knew where there. I guess the only explanation was he was mentally flustered?
 
FutureZombie said:
1) There should have been some explanation of how The First Order, The Rebellion, and The Republic all fit together. I don't quite understand who is in control of what.
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Yeah, seriously. To me The First Order seem to control a small part of the galaxy, The Republic controls the central systems, and the rebellion fights the Order from expanding(but why doesn't the republic?). Snoke was cool as well, love the voice. I thought he was a giant at the start lol.
 
Luke is her future, not her past. It's spelled out in the movie. She's not going to be a Skywalker. I'd bet money on it.
 
nemss said:
Just got back. I didn't expect Abrams to reinvent the wheel, just put the wheel back on the bike, which he did. Nailed the tone, which is exactly what I wanted. This feels like Star Wars.

Other thoughts

So Lake attempted to build a Jedi Order, but Kylo destroyed it by turning to the darkside. Did Like not sense Snoke?

I know we'll get Snoke expanded upon, but it felt very Thanosy to me. Dude just sits in a chair directing. I assume by "complete his training" Snoke wants to build a new Sith Order?

Han dying hit me right in the feels.

Kylo being obsessed with his grandfather is an interesting take. As far as the remnants of the Empire are concerned, Vader is still a hero. The only person that knows the truth about Vaders redemption is Anakin.

I assume Rey is Lukes daughter?

As others have said, some explanation on the status of the universe as whole would have helped. Seems there's still no stability.

Solid 8/10 for me. I need to let it sink in, but this feels like Star Wars. 10 minutes in, and nothing the prequels did came anywhere close.
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Such a thing is unheard of in Star Wars

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I don't think Snoke or Ren are Sith, either. I think they're just dark side users, not part of that order.
 
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