[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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I'm going to need some time to think about it but...I dunno. It's definitely better then any of the prequels by a significant margin, maybe equal to Jedi at least but I kind of kept waiting for the movie to hook me in a way where I could once again feel invested in Star Wars but that didn't really happen. I do think the important scenes were great but I don't know. For a movie that is aping A New Hope so hard it could have been way, way, way worse.
 
BronsonLee said:
Because he's a stormtrooper and they're shit at everything



Because he's so shit he's even bad at being a stormtrooper :p



My man. Rocky Balboa would've been able to talk that little bitch Kylo down
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Ithil said:
He didn't know how to use a ship's turrets, he's not a pilot. He's only trained in the weapons a stormtooper uses, which would include the electric rod weapon a stormtrooper attacks him with later.
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Einchy said:
He wasn't a pilot, he was just normal Stormtrooper. We now another Stormtrooper being very capable with some kind of stun rod so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that all Stormtroopers have some type of hand to hand combat in case they can't use their Blasters.

Also, like others have pointed out, Kylo was extremely injured during that fight. Chewie hit him dead on with this crowbow thing and we had previously seen that that thing could throw Stormtroopers across the room.

I'd also say he wasn't very competent with it, all he was able to do was block Kylo's attacks. He got his ass kicked so badly that he was in a coma by the end of it.
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Okay, okay I get it. Just wanted to clear up some lingering thoughts after I saw it.
 
Einchy said:
You can tell these guys don't give a shit about many Bothans dying.

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They really got my boy Donnie Yen playing Zatoichi in a Star Wars film brehs?
 
Ithil said:
I think the Raid actors were in elsewhere in the film in costume, too, and that was just a cameo for them to be shown out of costume. At a guess anyway, the Stormtrooper Finn has a fight with might have been one of them.
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Woah I never thought of that. Disappointment denied!
 
Movie was just "ok." Extremely safe, took no chances with the story. Didn't move me or thrill me. Acting was good overall but nothing stood out. Disappointed.
 
Loved it. I was preparing for disappointment, but left satisfied. Have a lot of little issues with it. But, fuck it. Overall I thought it was great. I'd put it right behind Empire as my second favorite in the series.

Random question, did they ever actually mention the knights of ren, or just that one quick shot?
 
John Boyega should be a damn chemist, Finn had amazzzzzing chemistry with everyone. His chemistry with Poe was just majestic, I wanted see more of Poe so badly.

Kylo Ren is a bust, I'm not sure how you guys feel about him but I thought everything about the character in this episode was bad. Poorly written, not intimidating or menacing, not charming, voice with and without the mask sucked. Great acting in the final fight scene though.
 
It's going to be a long time until this movie is released on blu ray or digital :( It's going to run in theatres for quite a while and destroy Avatar.

This may be first movie I go back to see in theatre since TDK.
 
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo? I was shaking my head throughout that entire sequence. So, instead of The Force being a tool that takes years to learn, much less to master, it now has "conscious" that picks winners and losers? Why was she even going to train with Luke at the end anyway? She picked up a saber for the first time and took down a fairly competent Sith. Why bother with Luke at that point?

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to execute those types of abilities?

Ugh.
 
Republic being one-shotted ruins not only this movie but the OT as well.

Yes let me give a shit about The Resistance destroying the First Order So when 10 rolls in The 2nd Order can undo what it was all for once again.
 
Armadilo said:
Anybody else who went to the Cinemark XD disappointed with the audio ?
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Yes. I thought it was just me, but the mix did sound off. Not sure if all Cinemark XD's have Atmos 11.1, but mine did. First 10-15 minutes fell way off. The rest gradually got better. The best parts where when Ren used the force, and the bass shook the theater auditorium.

The blasters felt lackluster.
 
Man I loved how the movie trailers made you think one way and the actual movie went another. Glad that I didn't see everything spoiled in the trailers.

P.S. Poor Chewie
 
Mega said:
I suspect Rey is the last surviving member of Luke's Jedi Academy. He protected her, fogged up her mind to make her seem ordinary and undetectable to Force users and hid her away while Snoke, the Knights and Kylo wrapped up their rampage against the fledgling Jedi academy.

I'd prefer this over her being a Skywalker, Kenobi, Solo, etc. They all obviously know she's someone of importance. She's THE girl from back in the day. It's even possible she was a prodigy, the best of them and hence Kylo's weird insecurities. This would also explain her advanced Force knowledge. She's remembering what she was made to forget for her own safety.
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This is a nice theory. I'd better stop reading or I'll get spoiled a year and a half in advance. :p
 
Pineapple said:
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo? I was shaking my head throughout that entire sequence. So, instead of The Force being a tool that takes years to learn, much less to master, it now has "conscious" that picks winners and losers? Why was she even going to train with Luke at the end anyway? She picked up a saber for the first time and took down a fairly competent Sith. Why bother with Luke at that point?

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to execute those types of abilities?

Ugh.
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Jabba is immune.

And why do you think Kylo is all that powerful?
 
MattyG said:
I LOVED the way the final battle started with the sun out on Starkiller base and then slowly got darker and darker as the battle raged on and the sun was sucked up. So awesome.


That is absolutely not PT level dialogue. If the sun gets sucked up and there's no more light, then the weapon could fire and they wouldn't have a chance. It isn't even a shitty metaphor, it's just their situation at the time.

Edit: I guess it could be seen as overt symbolism, but it's not nearly as bad as "I don't like sand..." or pretty much anything else from the PT.
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I think it's supposed to have a double meaning, both literally and metaphorically. But yes I agree with you, I think the line is fine.

This might actually be my favorite Star Wars movie but that could also be the bias of not having seen it a million times. It might be a while before I can solidly say where it lands in my personal rankings but it's definitely top 3. I think Kylo Ren is a great villain, Finn and Rey are awesome and the climax was brilliant. And the ending scene with Luke. Kept thinking "they're going to ruin the moment by having him say something," nope, they went the silent badass approach.

In fact I thought the movie was really good in general at restraint, contrary to the prequels. When they needed to lighten the mood they did so without going full "hurhur Jar Jar stepped in poop". The fights were more about the characters than about showing off flashy choreography. The lightsaber battle in particular felt like real people fighting than invincible stunt dancers. Ren was kind of treated by his side as a joke whenever he would go into his tantrums, unlike Anakin in 2 or 3 where he does and says all this stupid shit under the pretense of "He's turning into Darth Vader, oh the tragedy!"

Overall I thought Abrams nailed it and it seems kind of like cheating to say I thought it was better than like, ANH since the original trilogy did the dirty work of getting us to like about half the cast in this film, but whatever. Some friends of mine put it on par with Empire and I'd say that's my gut impression as well.
 
Pineapple said:
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo? I was shaking my head throughout that entire sequence. So, instead of The Force being a tool that takes years to learn, much less to master, it now has "conscious" that picks winners and losers? Why was she even going to train with Luke at the end anyway? She picked up a saber for the first time and took down a fairly competent Sith. Why bother with Luke at that point?

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to wield those types of abilities?

Ugh.
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Kylo was weak due to being shot by the bow before but I still agree that it felt really hamfisted. She basically is retreating during the fight until she's cornered on the cliff then pulls an anime powerup and wrecks him.
 
The only thing keeping me from being satisfied with the movie is the star killer base. It was way too similar to the original scene. The rest of the homages were subtle enough but that just felt forced, expecially since they already tried that twice. Maybe a new strategy? Rest of the movie was great
 
Pineapple said:
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo? I was shaking my head throughout that entire sequence. So, instead of The Force being a tool that takes years to learn, much less to master, it now has "conscious" that picks winners and losers? Why was she even going to train with Luke at the end anyway? She picked up a saber for the first time and took down a fairly competent Sith. Why bother with Luke at that point?

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to execute those types of abilities?

Ugh.
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I agree with these compliants, but overall i think i could get over them.
 
Pineapple said:
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo? I was shaking my head throughout that entire sequence. So, instead of The Force being a tool that takes years to learn, much less to master, it now has "conscious" that picks winners and losers? Why was she even going to train with Luke at the end anyway? She picked up a saber for the first time and took down a fairly competent Sith. Why bother with Luke at that point?

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to execute those types of abilities?

Ugh.
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Nothing tops the X-Wing force lift, so who knows.. it's like Starkiller being able to move a Star Destroyer and he's all super gifted as a baby. It's not cannon, but hey that might of brought on the ban of the games as canon if you ask me. They wanted their messiah Jedi to return.
 
Rey is experienced with fighting with weapons like swords, as seen by how proficient she is with her staff. Plus Kylo was wounded pretty badly ahead of time and clearly shaken up about murdering his father. It isn't that far of a reach that she won that fight after drawing from the force, at least to me.
 
1) That is absolutely 100% without a doubt "Burning Homestead" tracked into the film when Rey catches the lightsaber.

2) I am 99.95% sure that's NOT Daniel Craig as the mindtricked stormtrooper as someone guessed earlier. Also, Craig's been pretty vocal about that rumor being bullshit anyway.

If anything it sounded like the Robot Cop from Star Trek who arrests Baby Kirk after he crashes the car.
 
Just got home from the theater. Didn't like it :(

It felt more like a Marvel movie than a Star Wars movie to me which isn't bad. Just not what I want. Very entertaining and lots of fan service, but it felt like it was trying too hard instead of letting it happen naturally.

OT felt like a perfect balance of drama and fun. The prequels made the mistake of leaning too much towards the drama side and TFA leans too much towards the fun to me.
 
Papercuts said:
Kylo was weak due to being shot by the bow before but I still agree that it felt really hamfisted. She basically is retreating during the fight until she's cornered on the cliff then pulls an anime powerup and wrecks him.
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Yeah i wish it would have ended better. I liked her using her agility to retreat, but then she overpowered him goku style.

After her meditation i wish there some insight she could have used. Using her environment or something.
 
Pineapple said:
Just got back. This film really fell apart at the end.

How does Rey, with zero experience with a lightsaber whatsoever, take down Kylo?
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Kylo just got shot in the crotch by one of the most powerful blasters in the movie, Chewie's bowcaster. He's actively shown bleeding in that scene. He also just murdered his own father in cold blood, and looked him in the eyes while he died.

And the scene where she exerts mind control over the storm trooper...WTF? It takes Luke 3 films and he still didn't have that type of ability (failure with Jabba), yet a girl who didn't even know The Force existed 20 minutes prior in the film is suddenly able to execute those types of abilities?
I always assumed Luke failed on Jabba because Jabba wasn't a weak-willed human, and was instead some sort of strong-willed alien. Storm troopers have always been easy to mind-control throughout the series.

Also, there's the theory above that she could have been a pupil (even a prodigy) at Luke's academy, and Luke fogged her mind and sent her away to protect her. She could be recovering skills.

*edit* It's a fair point that she did do the meditation thing to focus though. I was expecting to hear Leia's or Maz's voice in her head or something, as she remembered the light side in her.
 
Farsi said:
John Boyega should be a damn chemist, Finn had amazzzzzing chemistry with everyone. His chemistry with Poe was just majestic, I wanted see more of Poe so badly.

Kylo Ren is a bust, I'm not sure how you guys feel about him but I thought everything about the character in this episode was bad. Poorly written, not intimidating or menacing, not charming, voice with and without the mask sucked. Great acting in the final fight scene though.
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Could not disagree about Finn more. His humor didn't land for me and I thought his character was unneeded in this story. His character worked the least of all the major players
 
I knew it would do it, but it's pretty disappointing that this took a page from STID and Jurassic World of rehashing beats from previous movies. The story was very ehhh.

When things decided to get new however, holy shit this movie is amazing. The new cast nearly makes up for the overt nostalgia grabs. Rey and Finn are the GOAT. Boyega just took the largest dump on all his haters. Gonna be even better to see the salt flow from the bigoted nerds swooning for Rey when she ends up with the slickest motherfucker in the galaxy. That's if racists can even hate on Boyega after seeing him in this. See you in 2 years my dude.

Poe was also really good but I think that's a bigger testament to Oscar Issac than his role because he doesn't exist much outside of, "an amazing pilot". TBH, all of the new guys suffer from underdevelopment, but damn do they work with what they got. Snoke sucks tho, lame design and he's cgi.
-Plasma Reus- said:
You guys do realise that the next star wars movies (8 and 9) will be horribly inadequate in comparison when it comes to lightsaber duels right? Brace yourselves hard.
Some of you already forgetting what a let down Looper is. When was the last time you rewatched Looper for the action sequences?
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This is sooooo true. One thing is that at least judging by Looper, Rian will knock it out of the park with the story, but I hope he really has some help on the action front. There was very little in Looper that made me think, "wow, this guy can do original and cool action".

More_Badass said:
Doesn't that depend more on the fight choreographers? If the Raid guys are involved, we should be fine
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Did they actually choreograph anything in this? I don't think they did. Also it sucks how they where glorified cameos. At least Abrahams didn't kill them off, but I'm hoping they show up as Knights of O-Ren or something in 8.
 
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