Ragnorok64
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That can't be all of it though, right? HE had his mask on when the scene began. He had to have said something else. I know I tried to pee quckly be they couldn't have been making faces for all that time.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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That can't be all of it though, right? HE had his mask on when the scene began. He had to have said something else. I know I tried to pee quckly be they couldn't have been making faces for all that time.
Jsquared77
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I would say yes they knew. Because of everything you noted as well as Han trying to enlist her as his co-pilot.
Agreed. Finn vibed so WELL with both of them.
Agreed so hard. To me, he was the easiest new character to like and appreciate despite how much I liked the others.
BronsonLee
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Because he's a stormtrooper and they're shit at everything
Because he's so shit he's even bad at being a stormtrooper
My man. Rocky Balboa would've been able to talk that little bitch Kylo down
Dude's just naturally charismatic.
I think the Raid actors were in elsewhere in the film in costume, too, and that was just a cameo for them to be shown out of costume. At a guess anyway, the Stormtrooper Finn has a fight with might have been one of them.
It went a lot more smoothly than Terminator GenYsISs. I can't complain honestly.
Lights and Waves
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I wonder how they'll explain Rey's accent if she ends up being Luke's daughter. Also looking forward to more Leia in future films.
She definitely puts him in the friendzone, while he comes off as a bit of a creep as the film progresses.
It's fan fiction thats why. It pieces of Abrams' and Kasdan's favorite parts from the OT glued together.
Really not seeing it.
ViewtifulJC
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Hurt and Scared
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No doubt Ben had some confidence issuesBecause he's a stormtrooper and they're shit at everything
Because he's so shit he's even bad at being a stormtrooper
My man. Rocky Balboa would've been able to talk that little bitch Kylo down
Finn just oozes chemistry in general.
He didn't know how to use a ship's turrets, he's not a pilot. He's only trained in the weapons a stormtooper uses, which would include the electric rod weapon a stormtrooper attacks him with later.
Yes! That was one of my favorite shots in the movie.
boiled goose
good with gravy
I enjoyed it. A- from me
Definitely better than the prequels.
Here are some pros and cons.
Impact sabers good.
Practical effects good. CG characters were the weakest (Supreme and squid things)
Good pacing, good characters.
Good amount of mystery left for sequels.
Dark side was threatening and they did some new things.
A little too homagey with death star sequence.. for a third time.
Minimal goofy humor, except for mind trick scene. It's no longer mind trick, but full on mind control. Didn't care for it.
Death scene didn't have enough gravitas, largely because we know so little of the history.
Rey and ren fight needed a bit more. There was no insight, she just overpowered him.
Definitely better than the prequels.
Here are some pros and cons.
Impact sabers good.
Practical effects good. CG characters were the weakest (Supreme and squid things)
Good pacing, good characters.
Good amount of mystery left for sequels.
Dark side was threatening and they did some new things.
A little too homagey with death star sequence.. for a third time.
Minimal goofy humor, except for mind trick scene. It's no longer mind trick, but full on mind control. Didn't care for it.
Death scene didn't have enough gravitas, largely because we know so little of the history.
Rey and ren fight needed a bit more. There was no insight, she just overpowered him.
Jsquared77
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She said something to the effect of, "why are you hiding behind the mask". He took immediately took it off, they talked some more. The important thing that happened was their force powers duel. He then went running off to tell Snoke she was too powerful to get the info they needed.
Wait I FORGOT that scene. I was grinning from ear to ear watching that. Poe carrying that legacy of the Rogue Squadron.
This bothered me, too. I guess Chewie is old and grizzled enough to deal? Or it was too painful for them to share?
BronsonLee
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Finn kinds of comes off to me as someone who wants to be the hero, but just doesn't have the tools. So he's awkward a bit.
People are really having their lunch in the OT. Basically it's the standard high of coming back from an anticipated franchise movie, amplified several magnitudes because it's Star Wars.
The speech from Rocky Balboa would fix that emo little shit right up
I loved it and have no interest in reading people pick it apart.
If I had to choose between Mad Max and this I might choose Mad Max but this was still awesome. My second favorite Star Wars I think.
Rey was the standout for me, but Finn was ridiculously good also. Kylo was excellent but like him better with the mask on.
I like how obvious the turmoil is inside Kylo.
And I am glad Han is gone I think. He was the weakest part for me.
If I had to choose between Mad Max and this I might choose Mad Max but this was still awesome. My second favorite Star Wars I think.
Rey was the standout for me, but Finn was ridiculously good also. Kylo was excellent but like him better with the mask on.
I like how obvious the turmoil is inside Kylo.
And I am glad Han is gone I think. He was the weakest part for me.
He wasn't a pilot, he was just normal Stormtrooper. We now another Stormtrooper being very capable with some kind of stun rod so I don't think it's a stretch to assume that all Stormtroopers have some type of hand to hand combat in case they can't use their Blasters.
Also, like others have pointed out, Kylo was extremely injured during that fight. Chewie hit him dead on with this crowbow thing and we had previously seen that that thing could throw Stormtroopers across the room.
I'd also say he wasn't very competent with it, all he was able to do was block Kylo's attacks. He got his ass kicked so badly that he was in a coma by the end of it.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Yeah it's fucking incredible, from start to finish my jaw was on the floor
It just seems like super overt symbolism.
Nope, I thought the same.
I LOVED the way the final battle started with the sun out on Starkiller base and then slowly got darker and darker as the battle raged on and the sun was sucked up. So awesome.
Edit: I guess it could be seen as overt symbolism, but it's not nearly as bad as "I don't like sand..." or pretty much anything else from the PT.
That is absolutely not PT level dialogue. If the sun gets sucked up and there's no more light, then the weapon could fire and they wouldn't have a chance. It isn't even a shitty metaphor, it's just their situation at the time.
Edit: I guess it could be seen as overt symbolism, but it's not nearly as bad as "I don't like sand..." or pretty much anything else from the PT.
Wait what. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case but I don't remember it being anywhere near explicit at all. I just kinda thought it was some force affinity stuff.
Whether or not Rey is going to be Luke's actual physical child, I think we are going to see him take her under regardless as his own after losing Han. I'm still thinking that she isn't though, JJ just loves his red herrings and he was so heavy handed about it too. Can't wait to see where her journey will take her next.
Probably named him after Obi-Wan.
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Overall I fucking loved the movie. I think they did a really good job of bridging between the OT and creating a new trilogy. The prequels were plagued with too many things changing, but this movie changed just enough to allow for more story, without shitting all over what Star Wars fans know and love.
Also the battles, holy shit the battles. Blasters felt so much more amazing, and the lightsaber duels were spectacular!
Deleted scenes ain't canon bro (although the radio play and novel has that too right? They're a bit iffy right?
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Northeastmonk
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I'm not always a spoiler person, but the death scene in this films seems like it was tacked on for money. I didn't want a person to die. That's what made Phantom Menace such a pain to watch.
I think it was a glamour shot at making another Star Wars film and the only thing they're doing with this film is making action figures out of the characters.
Kylo Ren would have been better off in KOTOR than in this film. He's like psuedo-Darth Vader with no other style except a sword-saber. Star Wars fans who role play or LARP probably have better fan fiction than what I think is going to be this film. I still plan to see it, but I don't know when.
I loved the original films and I geeked out over the last three, but this is just throw back to money if you ask me.
I think it was a glamour shot at making another Star Wars film and the only thing they're doing with this film is making action figures out of the characters.
Kylo Ren would have been better off in KOTOR than in this film. He's like psuedo-Darth Vader with no other style except a sword-saber. Star Wars fans who role play or LARP probably have better fan fiction than what I think is going to be this film. I still plan to see it, but I don't know when.
I loved the original films and I geeked out over the last three, but this is just throw back to money if you ask me.
Lights and Waves
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Chewie ran off. Leia can sense Rey's force sensitivity and could foresee that Rey was meant to deliver the lightsaber.
The accents dont actually exist, since English isnt a language in far off space. Were getting their closest approximations in our own languages, kind of like how an A-Wing or Y-Wing are named for their shape, but neither letter exists in the Galactic alphabet.
Me too, I loved the smooth camera movement there, even with the X-Wing flying behind stuff.
Well yeah. If you read the books Luke did just that.
They basically reused a bunch of stuff from the original Expanded Universe.
Just really satisfied all around.
Still rolling Han's death around in my head. We now have a canonical death of a major character and it's heavy.
Kylo was pulled off spectacularly well. Even though Han's death was a foregone conclusion, there was still a glimmer of hope Kylo would turn to the light side. Adam Driver nailed it and I'm excited to see where his character goes.
A few things felt forced (lol). The "Cantina-ish" scene was cool as I always loved the variety of alien life in Star Wars but still felt a little too call-backy.
Loved most of the new characters though Phasma seemed stupid.
Overall, I felt like I was given a ticket back into a world I loved that was familiar but new and that's exactly what I wanted.
The unanswered questions are great too. I look forward to having them resolved.
Still rolling Han's death around in my head. We now have a canonical death of a major character and it's heavy.
Kylo was pulled off spectacularly well. Even though Han's death was a foregone conclusion, there was still a glimmer of hope Kylo would turn to the light side. Adam Driver nailed it and I'm excited to see where his character goes.
A few things felt forced (lol). The "Cantina-ish" scene was cool as I always loved the variety of alien life in Star Wars but still felt a little too call-backy.
Loved most of the new characters though Phasma seemed stupid.
Overall, I felt like I was given a ticket back into a world I loved that was familiar but new and that's exactly what I wanted.
The unanswered questions are great too. I look forward to having them resolved.
friskykillface
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someone give Chewie a hug 
Chewie was just a few yards behind Rey. You could see him in the background of the shot. It was kind of weird. He walked right past Leia.
I suspect Rey is the last surviving member of Luke's Jedi Academy. He protected her, fogged up her mind to make her seem ordinary and undetectable to Force users and hid her away while Snoke, the Knights and Kylo wrapped up their rampage against the fledgling Jedi academy.
I'd prefer this over her being a Skywalker, Kenobi, Solo, etc. They all obviously know she's someone of importance. She's THE girl from back in the day. It's even possible she was a prodigy, the best of them and hence Kylo's weird insecurities. This would also explain her advanced Force knowledge. She's remembering what she was made to forget for her own safety.
I'd prefer this over her being a Skywalker, Kenobi, Solo, etc. They all obviously know she's someone of importance. She's THE girl from back in the day. It's even possible she was a prodigy, the best of them and hence Kylo's weird insecurities. This would also explain her advanced Force knowledge. She's remembering what she was made to forget for her own safety.
Wasn't explicit but fairly obvious.
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