A Link to the Past
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Also, the Finn vs. Ren fight and the Rey vs. Ren fight were both great.
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[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Bobby Roberts
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You think they died off camera?
I'm saying it can be confusing for people that all of them (and Maz) just had their entire existence basically cut off in the editing. Characters get entrances, and they usually get exits. They don't just stop being in the movie, usually, even if their exit is just a second or two. It's not a weird thing I'm describing.
And no, I don't think they died off camera. I know they didn't. But then again, information like that is probably best given (even briefly) in the film itself, because not everybody watching it is reading the trade magazines and entertainment websites announcing their contractual obligations or announcements that they're coming back for another movie.
I'm just using their non-exits from the film as an example as to the editing in the film sometimes hurting its coherency. Much in the same way the Hosnian system went out and people are wondering what the fuck that whole thing even was. That should have raised a lot of tension in the film and instead it confused a few people and left others shrugging. It definitely made the run on the oscillator less urgent.
I don't understand why you are so fundamentally confused and hung up on this. The fighting force is almost all clone troopers in the PT. They dwindle in number due to any number of reasons and so the Empire ramps up their numbers through any means necessary and so most if not all of their fighting force are not clones. The First Order is implied to be zealots, conscripts and volunteers, (some of them DO have names), forced laborers (FN the sanitation worker), new clones, etc.
For some crazy reason, you are reallly hung up on the baby thing. I don't fucking get it. Literally no one else is talking about this. It's a theory you made up in your head to explain why you hate the stormtrooper killing as if its some sort of violence glorification that is alien to the past 6 movies. You're bizarre and officially done indulging your delusions of what you imagine happened in TFA.
What is so hard for you to understand? The baby thing is an issue because...
Good guys killing bad guys = no problem
Good buys killing people who were kidnapped as babies and brainwashed into fighting for the Order = not so black and white and easy to stomache
And the team struck gold with BB8 - everything about this little droid is absolutely perfect.
His lighter-thumbs-up got the biggest laugh of the movie out of my audience.
gutter_trash
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when I said Mos, i mean Maz... didn't know how to spell her name
hate Maz
hate Maz
I dont know much about Rain Johnson but is he considered better hands for the next film? I heard he is both writing and directing.
I know that it's IMDB and lol who cares, but Ozymandias is at a 9.9 with 70,000 reviews. He knows how to direct.
Should've ended with Luke lowering his hood and saying "Hello there."I agree... It should have ended with them staring at each other.. But I'm not going to gripe over it. It was weird but I can understand they wanted a "grand" ending type of thing
lastplayed
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Finally, I'm a little annoyed that the New Republic is apparently gone, and hope that there are still remnants, particularly fleet assets, that escaped the devastation.
Is it? They destroyed one system of planets, out of thousands, maybe tens of thousands of systems. I can't believe the whole Republic was based on a few planets.
Hmmm so Von Sydow is the old dude who watched over her?
He had Luke's map and was in her area. Seemed that way to me.
HiredN00bs
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The bad guys are called the First Order. Luke went to find the first Jedi Temple. Hmm.
His lighter-thumbs-up got the biggest laugh of the movie out of my audience.
The lighter I think tied with the shock he gave to Finn for wearing the jacket. Also "that's not how the force works" was up there.
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That shock, btw, was incredibly reminiscent of when Bones was administering medicine to Kirk in Star Trek. Same bit.
I have two theories after watching this movie.
1. Rey is also Han and Leia's daughter. They gave her to Max von Sydow's character to hide her where they couldn't find her when Ben went apeshit and started killing everyone. This explains why the Falcon was on Jakku, and why Han would just happen to be in the neighborhood. It also explains why he was so gung-ho about recruiting her for his ship. Somehow he found out where she was being kept. Plus Rey had an obvious attraction to Han and the General.
2. Am I the only person that thinks Snoke is the damn Emperor? His deformed appearance, his love of holo-projecting himself. I hope I'm wrong, but this is where my mind went the SECOND I saw Snokes for the first time.
1. Rey is also Han and Leia's daughter. They gave her to Max von Sydow's character to hide her where they couldn't find her when Ben went apeshit and started killing everyone. This explains why the Falcon was on Jakku, and why Han would just happen to be in the neighborhood. It also explains why he was so gung-ho about recruiting her for his ship. Somehow he found out where she was being kept. Plus Rey had an obvious attraction to Han and the General.
2. Am I the only person that thinks Snoke is the damn Emperor? His deformed appearance, his love of holo-projecting himself. I hope I'm wrong, but this is where my mind went the SECOND I saw Snokes for the first time.
A Link to the Past
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when I said Mos, i mean Maz... didn't know how to spell her name
hate Maz
Maz is neat
Should've ended with Luke lowering his hood and saying "Hello there."
I dunno, that'd make it seem more like Luke expected her to come
Maz and Phasma are two characters who were built up but almost entirely unnecessary, but perhaps over the course of 3 movies they will be.
This one is so hard to judge because its very clearly part of a trilogy and not a stand alone film, in hindsight with another 4-5 hours of footage it could all be seen alot more generously.
This one is so hard to judge because its very clearly part of a trilogy and not a stand alone film, in hindsight with another 4-5 hours of footage it could all be seen alot more generously.
Bobby Roberts
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Is it? They destroyed one system of planets, out of thousands, maybe tens of thousands of systems. I can't believe the whole Republic was based on a few planets.
Hux straight up said "we're taking out the republic, the senate, and their fleet."
Miles from LOST I think said later in the film that without the fleet, they're screwed.
It's not easy to catch, though. That whole aspect of the movie got kinda short shrifted in the edit.
I'm saying it can be confusing for people that all of them (and Maz) just had their entire existence basically cut off in the editing. Characters get entrances, and they usually get exits. They don't just stop being in the movie, usually, even if their exit is just a second or two. It's not a weird thing I'm describing.
And no, I don't think they died off camera. I know they didn't. But then again, information like that is probably best given (even briefly) in the film itself, because not everybody watching it is reading the trade magazines and entertainment websites announcing their contractual obligations or announcements that they're coming back for another movie.
Meh. I don't like my hand held so I not only didn't dislike where they left those characters but I actually liked it.
Is Finn implied to be Force sensitive? I didnt understand how he could pick up a lightsaber out of nowhere and be able to fight in two different scenes.
It didn't seem as though Finn had any attunement to The Force at all. I mean, he was handled fairly easily by a Stormtrooper...
He could still end up being a Jedi, I suppose, but the film certainly didn't seem to imply that.
I'm pretty sure this is true. When he had the saber he actually managed to stand and fight, and he even landed a hit which is amazing for a non-Force user. Rey can barely deflect Ren's saber and is in full retreat until she taps into the force, and it's only then that she manages to fight back.Stormtroopers are showed to have some training with their own weird energy sword thingies, so it's likely that his first use of the lightsaber was more competent than Rey's (who only becomes particularly solid when she taps into her force abilities more).
Just finished seeing this with my brother. I think up until a point, I was giving it a 10/10. We enjoyed it very much, it was funny, charming, scary villian, Hans Solo! Great stuff.
Then Solo dies, then Rey beats Kylo in a fight, then they destroy the death star exactly the same way AGAIN.
Really hated those last parts. Firstly, get some new architects to design your death stars. You shouldn't have a little part of the ship make the whole thing explode! Secondly, Hans Solo dying wasn't great because he was, to me, one of the best characters in the film. I really would have liked to see him in VIII. Lastly, Kylo loses in practically his only light saber fight!? This dude was kicking ass the whole movie, then he loses to an untrained Jedi!? Such wasted potential and it makes his aura fall off a cliff.
Overall, 8/10.
Then Solo dies, then Rey beats Kylo in a fight, then they destroy the death star exactly the same way AGAIN.
Really hated those last parts. Firstly, get some new architects to design your death stars. You shouldn't have a little part of the ship make the whole thing explode! Secondly, Hans Solo dying wasn't great because he was, to me, one of the best characters in the film. I really would have liked to see him in VIII. Lastly, Kylo loses in practically his only light saber fight!? This dude was kicking ass the whole movie, then he loses to an untrained Jedi!? Such wasted potential and it makes his aura fall off a cliff.
Overall, 8/10.
lastplayed
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Hux straight up said "we're taking out the republic, the senate, and their fleet."
Miles from LOST I think said later in the film that without the fleet, they're screwed.
It's not easy to catch, though. That whole aspect of the movie got kinda short shrifted in the edit.
Oh yeah I heard that, but we saw them destroy just a few planets. What happened to the galaxy-spanning Republic from the prequels? Maybe they just got the first salvo done before it was blown up.
The lighter I think tied with the shock he gave to Finn for wearing the jacket. Also "that's not how the force works" was up there.
Oh, you know what - the moment you mention was probably the bigger laugh with my audience. Good call.
So is Rey Luke's daughter, or Han and Leia's other child?
Ben is Han and Leia's only child.
No word on if Rey is Luke's child. Currently unknown. People want it to be/think it's most likely though.
Anybody else a little disappointed in Boyega's acting? Idk, just kinda felt he was over acting too much through the movie. Like trying too hard. I like the character, but I cringed a few times.
mmmm nah. I didn't have that reaction.
Hux straight up said "we're taking out the republic, the senate, and their fleet."
Miles from LOST I think said later in the film that without the fleet, they're screwed.
It's not easy to catch, though. That whole aspect of the movie got kinda short shrifted in the edit.
I got the sense that them taking out of the republic, the senate, etc. was more of a general statement.
The entirety of the galactic republic, Ackbar's fleet, and the senate exists on more than just 5-7 worlds in the same solar system, or if you're counting the next shot 10-14 worlds across 1-2 systems.
The First Order only destroyed a handful of worlds under the protection of the Galactic Republic. The Resistance is a separate entity from the Galactic Republic actively trying to destroy the First Order.
Quick, everyone say what your favorite scene was.
Mine would be the scene after they escape on the millennium falcon and run to meet in the hall congrulating eachother.
Probably the opening with Poe getting captured, just a very good opening scene, Crawl was nice too.
Quick, everyone say what your favorite scene was.
Mine would be the scene after they escape on the millennium falcon and run to meet in the hall congrulating eachother.
Poe and Finn's escape
Hypest moment for me was probably Kylo Ren stopping the laser blast in the opening scene though. Holy shit.
A Link to the Past
Banned
Just finished seeing this with my brother. I think up until a point, I was giving it a 10/10. We enjoyed it very much, it was funny, charming, scary villian, Hans Solo! Great stuff.
Then Solo dies, then Rey beats Kylo in a fight, then they destroy the death star exactly the same way AGAIN.
Really hated those last parts. Firstly, get some new architects to design your death stars. You shouldn't have a little part of the ship make the whole thing explode! Secondly, Hans Solo dying wasn't great because he was, to me, one of the best characters in the film. I really would have liked to see him in VIII. Lastly, Kylo loses in practically his only light saber fight!? This dude was kicking ass the whole movie, then he loses to an untrained Jedi!? Such wasted potential and it makes his aura fall off a cliff.
Overall, 8/10.
But
1. Rey isn't weak herself, she seems to be trained with her staff
2. Ren is set up as an emotional, unfocused character. He's basically a Sith Padawan.
Bobby Roberts
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Meh. I don't like my hand held
It's not hand-holding. It's bad editing. You keep trying to frame my argument like I'm suggesting there be a minute long scene with them arguing or something, when I'm specifically saying all that needs to be shown is a second or two establishing the character is still around and then they get an exit. Maz boarding a shuttle and saying "I'll catch up with you later" or simply waving from a window. Done. No need for a scene. Just a shot.
Semi-important characters just drop off the board in this film and it's not a good editing decision.
Did JJ purposely make Starkiller Base imploding into the sun look identical to Vulcan imploding. Because it looked like it was framed exactly the same.
Hehe I thought the same thing.
Just like hyperspace looked a lot like warp from st09, too.
It's not hand-holding. It's bad editing. You keep trying to frame my argument like I'm suggesting there be a minute long scene with them arguing or something, when I'm specifically saying all that needs to be shown is a second or two establishing the character is still around and then they get an exit. Maz boarding a shuttle and saying "I'll catch up with you later" or simply waving from a window. Done. No need for a scene. Just a shot.
Semi-important characters just drop off the board in this film and it's not a good editing decision.
I disagree with you. I thought it was properly edited and I would've disliked a scene like you describe. The scene with Snoke took care of that for me. What more can be said?
What is so hard for you to understand? The baby thing is an issue because...
Good guys killing bad guys = no problem
Good buys killing people who were kidnapped as babies and brainwashed into fighting for the Order = not so black and white and easy to stomache
I don't buy into all of them being kidnapped babies. And secondly, what do you expect to come of this? The Resistance can sit around and talk it out while irreparably brainwashed soldiers (with few exceptions like Finn) and their masters slaughter them. They fight the Order, they defeat it and the forced labor cycle ends. People will die on both sides. What other kind of movie did you want this to be? It's a relatively light sci-fi action movie. I don't get this need to hyper-rationalize/moralize everything.
FriendlyGoat
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Absolutely. He is a promising young director who has made an extremely well received independent film that combined noir and highschool(Brick), a lukewarmly received caper comedy that nonetheless showed promise (Brother's Bloom), a mostly well received unique and engaging if somewhat divisive time travel sci-fi film that showed even MORE promise (Looper).I dont know much about Rain Johnson but is he considered better hands for the next film? I heard he is both writing and directing.
On top of all that, he demonstrated an uncanny knack for working within an existing property (Breaking Bad) and delivered not only the most unique episode ("Fly") but also the most well regarded episode ("Ozymandias"), which is also one of the most well regarded episodes of TV period.
He is the real deal, and he's got youth and energy to boot.
Poe taking out all those people on his X-wing that was shown from Finn's point of view.Quick, everyone say what your favorite scene was.
Mine would be the scene after they escape on the millennium falcon and run to meet in the hall congrulating eachother.
Lightsaber duels that actually look like people trying to kill each other and not prettily choreographed Flynning.Quick, everyone say what your favorite scene was.
Mine would be the scene after they escape on the millennium falcon and run to meet in the hall congrulating eachother.
Also, I really liked that moment in the beginning where Rey's trying to fix the Falcon so it doesn't kill everyone onboard and Poe's fumbling over meeting a girl who's not a mindless cog.
Anybody else a little disappointed in Boyega's acting? Idk, just kinda felt he was over acting too much through the movie. Like trying too hard. I like the character, but I cringed a few times.
Yes the movie would have worked fine without him.
Absolutely. He is a promising young director who has made an extremely well received independent film that combined noir and highschool(Brick), a lukewarmly received caper comedy that nonetheless showed promise (Brother's Bloom), a mostly well received unique and engaging if somewhat divisive time travel sci-fi film that showed even MORE promise (Looper).
On top of all that, he demonstrated an uncanny knack for working within an existing property (Breaking Bad) and delivered not only the most unique episode ("Fly") but also the most well regarded episode ("Ozymandias"), which is also one of the most well regarded episodes of TV period.
He is the real deal, and he's got youth and energy to boot.
So he works best in a world where he is constrained?
Bobby Roberts
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I disagree with you.
No shit.
I would've disliked a scene
No, SHOT.
Ragnorok64
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So I saw it on a normal screen. For my 2nd viewing, whenever that will be, Is seeing it in 3D worth it?
gutter_trash
Banned
Why do people think Finn isn't a Jedi? When the movie leans into that direction?
for sure he is Force sensitive. To be able to undo Stormtrooper brainwashing
Sectorseven
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How exactly did Han of all people find the Falcon? It seemed awfully convenient. At first I didn't even realize the Falcon made it to space. I thought they crashed back on the planet.
I don't buy into all of them being kidnapped babies. And secondly, what do you expect to come of this? The Resistance can sit around and talk it out while irreparably brainwashed soldiers (with few exceptions like Finn) and their masters slaughter them. They fight the Order, they defeat it and the forced labor cycle ends. People will die on both sides. What other kind of movie did you want this to be? It's a relatively light sci-fi action movie. I don't get this need to hyper-rationalize/moralize everything.
Exactly the point. Why did baby stealing brain washing Stormtroopers need to be introduced? Why could they not stay as Space Nazis? Why couldn't Finn just be some recruit who joined up for the easy pay and safe job he had in sanitation?
So I saw it on a normal screen. For my 2nd viewing, whenever that will be, Is seeing it in 3D worth it?
No. I actually wish I could have seen it in regular quality.
Spine_Ripper
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Same sentiments. Amazing first act that falls on its face several times at the end. Phasma is basically discarded, Solo's death is too damn obvious(which lead to a "meh" reaction from everyone at my theater), Finn can suddenly take on a Sith, Rey somehow knows EXACTLY what to do with the force.Just finished seeing this with my brother. I think up until a point, I was giving it a 10/10. We enjoyed it very much, it was funny, charming, scary villian, Hans Solo! Great stuff.
Then Solo dies, then Rey beats Kylo in a fight, then they destroy the death star exactly the same way AGAIN.
Really hated those last parts. Firstly, get some new architects to design your death stars. You shouldn't have a little part of the ship make the whole thing explode! Secondly, Hans Solo dying wasn't great because he was, to me, one of the best characters in the film. I really would have liked to see him in VIII. Lastly, Kylo loses in practically his only light saber fight!? This dude was kicking ass the whole movie, then he loses to an untrained Jedi!? Such wasted potential and it makes his aura fall off a cliff.
Overall, 8/10.
There's a few more things, and by themselves they're all small, but it just feels like the ending was rushed. I'd still give it a 8/10, but the ending was just...blah.
No shit.
Okay. What now? Can we be done?
Why do people think Finn isn't a Jedi? When the movie leans into that direction?
One reason, that was mention earlier in this massive thread, is that, that would have been sniffed out at some point in his Stormtrooper training. Someone would have noticed. Probably.
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I just came back from the movie, I loved it. Can't wait to see it again.
The only thing that bugged me is that so many of the story beats were exactly the same as New Hope. I mean, I understand why they did it and it didn't really detract from my enjoyment of the movie but so much of it was similar it stood out.
I thought Rey was awesome and I loved her fight with Kylo at the end.
The cinematography was gorgeous, he really nailed the look of the original films. Felt like going home to that universe again.
The only thing that bugged me is that so many of the story beats were exactly the same as New Hope. I mean, I understand why they did it and it didn't really detract from my enjoyment of the movie but so much of it was similar it stood out.
I thought Rey was awesome and I loved her fight with Kylo at the end.
The cinematography was gorgeous, he really nailed the look of the original films. Felt like going home to that universe again.
I didn't even know that Maz survived the attack, so some little scene would've been nice, yeah.
My friends and I weren't clear on that either so we definitely could've used a small scene (or shot, Bobby) or something.
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