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[Ganondorfo]

Why did Han Solo go alone to confront Kylo, knowing his fate? He knew from before his boy was gone. Also his demise needed dramatic music by Williams, kinda like Gandalf or Boromir in Lotr.

 

[munchie64]

Loved it until Han showed up.

Then you REALLY loved it right?

 

[RellyRell28]

RIP Han Solo you will be missed

 

[Nyanmaruz]

So if Rey isn't a Skywalker, that means Kylo is really the last of the Skywalker lineage...That's such a frightening thought imo.

 

[Ragnorok64]

I really do wish they'd just called him Jacen. He even showed weird time related Force powers with that blaster bolt, had less than Vader-esque temper tantrums, and sought power from physical pain. Dude was Jacen.

 

[GaimeGuy]

Forgot to mention, my theater lost it at the BB8 thumbs up.

 

[StormyTheRabbit]

Also, anyone who thought Harrison was going to be around for more than 1 movie is NUTS. Dude almost didn't come back for Episode VI.

I really do wish they'd just called him Jacen. He even showed weird time related Force powers with that blaster bolt, had less than Vader-esque temper tantrums, and sought power from physical pain. Dude was Jacen.

While I totally agree with this, its also just a name. I wasn't upset it ended up being Ben. I'd rather them draw from the character overall as Jacen and change his name versus making up someone totally new when a great character already exists and keep the name as fan service.

 

[DeathyBoy]

So if Rey isn't a Skywalker, that means Kylo is really the last of the Skywalker lineage...That's such a frightening thought imo.

Rey is absolutely a Skywalker.

 

[MHWilliams]

Considering my crowd popped for every returning character simply appearing onscreen, I was kinda surprised when Luke turned and nothing happened. No gasps, no cheers.

But then I was like "Well, maybe they're reacting the same way I did when I saw him at the press screening." Which was to notice that his mouth was hanging open, and he looked slightly crazy and not all there, which was weird as shit when the music was trying to tell me this was a sorta-kinda uplifting moment.

It felt like the moment needed to NOT be a helicopter shot, and needed to have him speak. Say SOMETHING.

I would've just ended it before the helicopter shot. The look of regret and resignation on Luke's face said enough.

 

[Matticers]

Rey is clearly an experienced and highly gifted Force user from Luke's academy who's regaining her memory and powers she had as a kid. She clowned him in force grabbing the lightsaber. I don't think Kylo could have knocked her around with the Force with her latent abilities and his condition.

This would make sense but... wouldn't she remember that? I don't know how young she was when she was brought to Jakku but she couldn't have been so young that she wouldn't remember Luke or doing training at all. So that would be kind of weird of that's where they went with it. Plus I assumed Kylo Ren basically wiped all of the young training jedi out. I guess Luke could've sensed her potential and got her out of there first but who knows.

 

[mrjohill]

I really like how they portrayed kylo's force powers. Every time he used the force it felt like there was weight to his actions

 

[Professor Lich]

Just got back from a showing with a lot of friends and I went to finish off our college semester. It was awesome and I can't wait for more.

Also, I just love Ren's motivations. An angry teenager who just wants to be like grandpa.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Yes, you missed Star Wars

How can anyone leave a Star Wars movie to pee, you hold it in no matter what

thats not healthy breh

 

[Kagari]

I really do wish they'd just called him Jacen. He even showed weird time related Force powers with that blaster bolt, had less than Vader-esque temper tantrums, and sought power from physical pain. Dude was Jacen.

Pretty much.

 

[tearsintherain]

I'm a bit bummed that the movie didn't really tell me anything about Jakku other than its a planet where a bunch of wreckage is. I've been playing Battlefront for a week on Jakku maps, hoping to get some cool exposition on Jakku, but no dice

Oh well, it was cool at least seeing Rey chill out by one of the downed AT-AT Imperial Walkers, since you end up spending a lot of time hiding in them during Turning Point mode.

enjoyed the movie, feels though like I need to see Star Wars 8 to really pass a final score - only seen half of the story, need to see what happens next. I don't feel any real desire to see the movie again in theaters, which is disappointing. Will definitely see at home when blu ray special extended editions are out.

I don't wait to wait 2 years for part 2, freeze me in carbonite plz

 

[BronsonLee]

I would've just ended it before the helicopter shot. The look of regret and resignation on Luke's face said enough.

'Shit, she found me. I'll never be able to avoid coughing up child support now!'

 

[Spectromixer]

DId anyone else think blowing up the Senate was too much? Was it a direct jab at the prequels? lol

 

[MattyG]

RIP Han Solo you will be missed

In the aaaaaaarms ooooooof the angels
Fly awayyyyyy from here
To the mooooooooons oooooof Iego
May you fiiiiiiiiIIIIIIiiiiiIIIIInd
Some comfort heeeeeeere

 

[LastNac]

Then you REALLY loved it right?

I think it had a great beginning, but once it hit Maz's castle it just got too familar.

There was an audible groan from somewhere in my row when they were discussing the siege of StarKiller base.

 

[StormyTheRabbit]

Rey is absolutely a Skywalker.

.

 

[Apathy]

This would make sense but... wouldn't she remember that? I don't know how young she was when she was brought to Jakku but she couldn't have been so young that she wouldn't remember Luke or doing training at all. So that would be kind of weird of that's where they went with it. Plus I assumed Kylo Ren basically wiped all of the young training jedi out. I guess Luke could've sensed her potential and got her out of there first but who knows.

Maybe Luke used the force to block her memories, that way there was no way for other force users from being able to find her.

 

[Discotheque]

I really like how they portrayed kylo's force powers. Every time he used the force it felt like there was weight to his actions

i liked that with his lightsaber attacks, especially in the forest as he was violently chopping at the trees.

and yeah when he stopped that ray at the start of the film, that was the best display of the force in any of these films. so cool.

 

[Ulldog]

I really liked the movie, though it felt too familiar overall. I also hade a problem with "Snoke", has there ever been a more generic bad guy?

 

[ant1532]

was there a scene after the credits???

 

[Artanisix]

so many haters in this thread

I WILL FINISHW HAT U STARTED

movie was HyPe

 

[Kagari]

was there a scene after the credits???

No.

 

[Pineapple]

If Rey really is Luke's daughter, that brings up another interesting plot detail - who is the mother?

Are we bound for a "Rey, I am your mother" moment in Episode VIII?

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

Also are R2-D2 and C-3PO the only characters who have been in every movie? I think so.

 

[v0yce]

The Resistance is an army at war. They worked with the Ewoks in ROTJ, who likely ate Stormtroopers. I don't think they dwell and neither should we.

This doesn't seem like a good argument. Sorry.

It's clever to draw a not so great comparison between Finn and Ren at the expense of corrupting the classic good guys vs bad guys dynamic? Kidnapped chld soldiers aren't simple bad guys.

I mean I hate to bring up PT stuff, but one of the things that makes the Clone Wars series work is knowing how the Clones are abused. I wouldn't think to "not dwell" on their upbringing.

 

[TheKaeptain]

Rey is absolutely a Skywalker.

I thought they made it pretty obvious she was related to them.

 

[BronsonLee]

If Rey really is Luke's daughter, that brings up another interesting plot detail - who is the mother?

Are we bound for a "Rey, I am your mother" moment in Episode VIII?

Captain Phasma time.
Leia/Incest time.
...Chewbacca time?

 

[ffejeromdiks]

Can anyone remember what Admiral Ackbar said the first time he popped up on screen? A friend of mine started talking to me and I missed every word, but people in the crowd seemed to react wildly to it.

 

[StormyTheRabbit]

Also are R2-D2 and C-3PO the only characters who have been in every movie? I think so.

I mean Vader sorta? In one way or another.

Can anyone remember what Admiral Ackbar said the first time he popped up on screen? A friend of mine started talking to me and I missed every word, but people in the crowd seemed to react wildly to it.

As far as I recall no one referred to him as Admiral Ackbar. Could have just been another Calamari-whatever person. Unless I missed something.

 

[Sectorseven]

I knew there wasn't going to be Fox fanfare, but I wasn't expecting... Nothing.

 

[Apathy]

DId anyone else think blowing up the Senate was too much? Was it a direct jab at the prequels? lol

Would have been great if instead of the human woman looking at the camera as the beam hit the planet it was a Gungan

 

[Yoshichan]

Decided to watch it 5 times... shit needs to sink in.

 

[Einchy]

If Rey really is Luke's daughter, that brings up another interesting plot detail - who is the mother?

Are we bound for a "Rey, I am your mother" moment in Episode VIII?

Leila is her mother.

 

[golem]

Rey is absolutely a Skywalker.

While i dont rule it out completely, I would think that Kylo would recognize a sibling or other relative either through appearance or force sensitivity

 

[rekameohs]

I really liked the movie, though it felt too familiar overall. I also hade a problem with "Snoke", has there ever been a more generic bad guy?

There's just got to be more to him. I don't think we're going to get Emperor ripoff with bad CG as the true main baddie. Kylo Ren is a great villain, so I hope they don't go that way, at least.

 

[reggieandTFE]

I really loved the movie. I felt that Han and Chewie's intro and the subsequent standoff and monster escape was the weakest section, but it absolutely lived up to my high expectations.

 

[Subpar Spatula]

I think you misunderstand me. I do think Abrams fixed it.

Actually, if you look at the OT lightsaber duels, they're not that impressive. The one in ANH is by far the worst, although to be fair Alec Guinness was an old guy and probably not up to all of the stunts that would be required. Still, there is a lot of Flynning and "hit the other guy's saber".

By contrast, the lightsaber duels in TFA are much more violent and visceral, and it actually feels like the people involved are fighting with longswords and trying to kill each other with them.

Wasn't very violent and it felt like two amateurs who weren't even force users fighting in the forest. That subway samurai would kick both their asses.

 

[DeathyBoy]

This doesn't seem like a good argument. Sorry.

It's clever to draw a not so great comparison between Finn and Ren at the expense of corrupting the classic good guys vs bad guys dynamic? Kidnapped chld soldiers aren't simple bad guys.

I mean I hate to bring up PT stuff, but one of the things that makes the Clone Wars series work is knowing how the Clones are abused. I wouldn't think to "not dwell" on their upbringing.

TV shows can dwell, films can't. Did The Matrix annoy you when they did the same thing? Did Robocop's property damage? Did John Wick killing fellow assassins just trying to do a job?

ETA - Also, you realise Clone Wars was retroactive right? In the films they never hint that the Clones are abused.

 

[paragonpro]

I fucking loved it. This is starwars! Ranks third for me behind empire and new hope. Makes you realize how fucking alien the prequels felt to the rest of the series. Starwars should have humor, grounded characters, and the feelinf that the tech is nust barely holding togeather. Its great and a welcome return to form. I wonder why like didnt get to say anything? Will he have a larger pressence in the next one or will it still be left to back ground noise? Also rey is a fucking bad ass, fin was great to. In fact I love our new plucky crew of heroes. Definitely getting battlefront today as well.

 

[rekameohs]

Can anyone remember what Admiral Ackbar said the first time he popped up on screen? A friend of mine started talking to me and I missed every word, but people in the crowd seemed to react wildly to it.

He didn't say anything special. They're probably just reacting to seeing him again.

 

[0ptimusPayne]

Im banking on the fact that the "family" that left Rey on Jakku was actually Luke. After he failed and let Ben fall to Snoke, he needed to go into hiding and meditate on his fuck up(i.e Obi wan/Yoda isolation for years). Rey was probably his most force sensitive youngling, and he needed to protect her from Snoke taking advantage/manipulating her to the dark side. Its almost too convenient that R2 wakes up "at the right time" when Rey comes to the rebel base.. Her flashbacks make it seem like she had a former bond with luke, and that shot where he's touching R2 was probably after Ren knights/Snoke went and destroyed his Jedi temple. I really hope that Rey isn't apart of the Skywalker Bloodline, and has her own destiny from different roots.

I really enjoyed Kylo as a villain. Dude is force sensitive as fuck with the blaster fire stasis/mind control. He was a more green Vader for sure, and Snoke was only going to take him to the next level after he completely killed off his former life..He even admits to himself that he still felt the light side, and needed Vaders indirect help with becoming more infused with the dark side. Its nice to finally get a taste(outside of Anakin) of a young Jedi still struggling to overcome that grey area into either being light or dark.

As for the Rey vs Kylo fight...
-Kylo literally just killed off his own father( He still had light inside of him) dude was still shook. He has always showed signs of instability, anger, fear, etc throughout the film. He lacks proper training to channel his anger towards the dark side.
-Snook wanted Rey alive and brought to him, so he never was going to kill her.
-He got a fucking hole put in him by Chewies Bowcaster, and he clearly showed signs of that wound when he was beating blood out of his armor.
-I still think Rey was one of the younglings in Lukes achedemy, but she had any of her force knowledge/abilities suppressed by luke to protect her from Snoke/The order. She slowly started getting that back, when she came in contact with Lukes old Saber.
-Nobody won anything just yet, can't wait for episode 8!!!

The movie is not perfect, but I didn't want it to end at all. Im excited to see what we have in store for the future.

 

[Spectromixer]

Would have been great if instead of the human woman looking at the camera as the beam hit the planet it was a Gungan

Haha then it would have started to become parody

 

[Ganondorfo]

There's just got to be more to him. I don't think we're going to get Emperor ripoff with bad CG as the true main baddie. Kylo Ren is a great villain, so I hope they don't go that way, at least.

I think Snoke is like Kylo Ren, they all look up to their idols and want to be the same like them. Kylo wants to be Vader and Smoke wants to be Palpatine.

 

[ant1532]

No.

kk thanks

 

[Mega]

I'm willing to end the discussion but I don't understand what you're talking about with those last points. Of course, billions of people dying by a Death Star is bad what does that have to do with Stormtrooper babies? The point I'm getting at is that the OT was simple, Empire=Bad, Rebels=Good, Empire=Space Nazis.

To introduce an element that weirdly humanizes the grunts of the bad guys adds a layer of complexity that makes things less simple. It's no longer Space Nazis v. Good guys, it's possible brain washed soldiers who may have never had real free will v. "Good" guys.

Star Wars was never as black and white as you're stating ever since Empire Strikes Back. See: Lando's betrayal in Cloud City, the twist that the Great Jedi Master is the silly little creature, conflicted Vader as a prisoner to his more powerful master, "I am your father." And even then, Eps IV had Leia being tortured and that whole business with Alderaan and Luke's parents gruesome remains clearly on display.

So how do you feel about our heroes blowing up a bunch of people who were kidnapped and brainwashed since birth?

How is that clever?

Don't care. I don't think it's meant to be clever. It's just a thing in this universe. It's an action movie paying homage to its classic predecessors, not a deeply philosophical problem tormenting my soul. If you want this to tear you up inside, go right ahead, but don't insist others make this a big deal too. It's silly.

Anyway, none of you have proposed any solutions to what should have been done regarding the "innocent" Stormtroopers? This is a universe that has established that genocide, assassination, plain old murder in cantinas and slavery exists. SOME kidnapped babies in the new bad guy army is not crossing some troubling uncrossable line.

 

[StormyTheRabbit]

He didn't say anything special. They're probably just reacting to seeing him again.

I'm still not sure it was confirmed that was him, verses just being another person of his race. I don't think anyone called him by name.

However he did reference "penetrating it" which is one of his old lines.