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[Fliesen]

- The Death Star Mk 3 made no sense, it felt like an executive just kept saying "We need a Death Star on steroids!" It would have made more sense if its destructive power was to cause a star to explode, thus wiping out the entire system. Surely draining the power out of a sun would cause everyone to freeze to death anyway? :/

i think astrophysics should be more or less ignored here.
Even blowing up ONE planet like Alderaan would screw up the gravitational balance of a system to a degree that any class M planet would be rendered inhabitable.

I think the "draining the sun" part was also chosen for stylistic reasons. "We have until sundown to blow this thing up", as well as to have a surface battle at daytime, yet lightsaber battles at night.

 

[robertsan21]

I hate when people complain about Rey's power. Do they want every movie to be identical? Lore is what ruined Star Wars, look at the prequels and how the over explaining sucked, you have to respect some things but feel free to experiment so give a fuckton of power to Rey and Ren, maybe introduce new Jedis, use everything that has potential.

Im an old school starwars geek, but I do agree with you here.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

Is Snoke really that big or is his projection just really big?

Now that Snoke is ready to complete Kylos training, I expect him to be much more dangerous in the next film. That light in him was holding him back.

 

[John Harker]

Are we debating whether Luke was her father?
It was fairly obvious to me, he was likely standing at the grave of her soon-to-be-revealed mother too since they showed that handmade gravestone he was in front of.

It's how Lupita knew her parents were never coming back for her, and part of the "thats a story for another time" line she gave Solo. Also Ren totally sensed they were cousins. It just fits the nostalgic throwback vibe of the movie, to have another pair of estranged family members play an integral role in the story... Now that she's training with her father in the light and Ren is training with his dark cult lord for epic bloodline battle finale.

Though my big question was, who was the old man in the beginning with Poe who was killed? I kept thinking it was Wedge due to his familiarity with everyone and him hanging out with the next Ace Pilot of the rebellion, but really couldn't tell

 

[half a moon]

So, who cares if they were extinct? Do you really think that General Grevious had a monopoly on all of the lightsabers from the jedi that had been killed? What, did they just melt down all of the lightsabers from the fallen jedi? They had to go somewhere, and they don't just vanish when the user dies.

They want to use blasters?

 

[XAL]

The Republic would have to be a completely new entity as everything from before the Empire was completely dissolved. The new Republic would be struggling to unite the galaxy with a million remnants of The Empire roaming about trying to be the new power along with probably whole systems in various states of anarchy, dictatorships etc etc. The Republic don't just suddenly have a bunch of starships, generals etc etc so it stands to reason that something like The Rebellion would be re-purposed to defend the Republic's efforts to restore democracy to the galaxy.

New canon states that most remnants of the empire turned themselves over to the galactic republic over a series of crushing military defeats. The holdovers of the empire (the first order) signed a treaty with the republic and relegated themselves to a sector outside of republic controlled space.

Admiral Ackbar's fleet is the last fleet in the Galactic Republic acting as a buffer to ensure that the First Order not break the peace agreement (Republic largely de-militarized telling First Order they had to do the same). Leia's Resistance movement is in First Order territory actively trying to destroy the Order because they know that peace is not possible with a Sith controlled group.

That's my understanding anyways.

In the next movie I wouldn't be surprised if the Resistance combined with the Galactic Republic's fleet and it's good ol' full scale war.

Side note: Interesting line they threw in there about not making another clone fleet.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I hate when people complain about Rey's power. Do they want every movie to be identical? Lore is what ruined Star Wars, look at the prequels and how the over explaining sucked, you have to respect some things but feel free to experiment so give a fuckton of power to Rey and Ren, maybe introduce new Jedis, use everything that has potential.

Agree.

Again, some movie-watchers aren't satisfied if every link in the chain isn't spoon fed to them. For some any unexplained things are inherently bad. Answers that have to come later (or may not come at all) are bad. Discussion is bad, waiting is bad. Imagination is bad.

I hope to never become one of those movie-watchers. Though I can understand the desire for full clarity all the time.

 

[Herbs]

Though my big question was, who was the old man in the beginning with Poe who was killed? I kept thinking j was Wedge but really couldn't tell

Still waiting for an explanation on that though my guess is we will get it in the following films.

 

[Neifirst]

Just watched it. Have a few thoughts.

But first of all, I don't get why a Sith who has been trained since youth on the Dark Side of the Force lost to a scrub stormtrooper (only fought once, did toilet-cleaning duty) and a person who (while may be strong in the force) has, to our knowledge, never had to fight a Jedi battle before.

Except I don't think Kylo Ren has been training since youth. I believe Leia even talks about losing him (and Han) when she sent him (Kylo) away, presumably to train with Luke. To me, it at least implies that he lived for a time with his parents, at least well enough for them to get to know him as a young man. Plus he was already injured by the shot from Chewbacca.

 

[deleted]

She wasn't a baby when she was left on Jakku, she was 5/6 years old. Also Luke didn't disappear right after ROTJ, he disappeared after Ben attacked the Jedi academy.

Right, but that would mean, that Ben is roughly 10-15 years older than Rey? Does that make sense?

Also with 5-6 years, you would remember your dad being Luke Skywalker, wouldn't you? Maybe he has Force Wiped her memory, but so far it doesn't seem like they'd go in that direction with the force in the new trilogy. Seems a bit contrived.

 

[CloudyTuba]

Just got back. I would say I liked it but didn't love it. I did very much enjoy myself. I like Kylo Ren and a lot of the ideas they created in this movie. It was too much of a remake of 4 though, biggest weakness. I also thought it sequel baited too much. The new cast didnt disappoint, they were great. Excited for episode 8.

 

[XAL]

Except I don't think Kylo Ren has been training since youth. I believe Leia even talks about losing him (and Han) when she sent him (Kylo) away, presumably to train with Luke. To me, it at least implies that he lived for a time with his parents, at least well enough for them to get to know him as a young man. Plus he was already injured by the shot from Chewbacca.

Yeah he was probably turned over to luke around 10/teens or so, spent a number of years with him (a lot of bodies in that vision). Then turned to the darkside in his 20's.

 

[Qblivion]

So, who cares if they were extinct? Do you really think that General Grevious had a monopoly on all of the lightsabers from the jedi that had been killed? What, did they just melt down all of the lightsabers from the fallen jedi? They had to go somewhere, and they don't just vanish when the user dies.

1: you're assuming the prequels follow any kind of logic.

2: assuming they do, yes it would make sense for grevious to have a monopoly on lightsabers from fallen jedi because he was commanding clones. do you think he'd just hand them out like candy to disposable troops?

3: yes, they probably did destroy lightsabers during the purge.

 

[John Harker]

Just watched it. Have a few thoughts.

But first of all, I don't get why a Sith who has been trained since youth on the Dark Side of the Force lost to a scrub stormtrooper (only fought once, did toilet-cleaning duty) and a person who (while may be strong in the force) has, to our knowledge, never had to fight a Jedi battle before.

There are no more Sith, Ren is a knight in some dark order cult. At least that was the impression I got, Ren is some new title (not a Darth) and Stokes is some spiritual leader of darkness worshippers, and Hux was some hitler-esque secular general and Kylo was some dark mystic religious priest of giant man's cult.

So it's similar but different enough to build new lore on

 

[Dreams-Visions]

So, who cares if they were extinct? Do you really think that General Grevious had a monopoly on all of the lightsabers from the jedi that had been killed? What, did they just melt down all of the lightsabers from the fallen jedi? They had to go somewhere, and they don't just vanish when the user dies.

Why would anyone but a Jedi/Sith want to use a lightsaber in a universe that has evolved to blasters of all sizes and thermal detonators? It's like asking why soldiers today don't fight with rapiers instead of machine guns. Like, is the answer not obvious?

Stop ignoring the responses.

Jedi/Sith prefer them because of the way the force enhances the effectiveness of the weapon allowing them to deflect/reflect blaster fire, conceal them, and deal incredible damage with precision. Deflecting blaster fire isn't something the average person can do. And unless you're a jedi/sith, you don't take a knife (or sword or lightsaber) to a gunfight. That's true even in galaxies near, near to us and clearly true in galaxies far, far away.

 

[ISee]

Are we debating whether Luke was her father?
It was fairly obvious to me, he was likely standing at the grave of her soon-to-be-revealed mother too since they showed that gravestone he was in front of.

It's how Lupita knew her parents were never coming back for her, and part of the "thats a story for another time" like she gave Solo. Also Ren totally sensed they were cousins. It just fits the nostalgic throwback vibe of the movie, to have another pair of estranged family members okay an integral role... Now that she's training with her father in the light and Ren is training with his dark cult lord for epic bloodline battle finale.

Though my big question was, who was the old man in the beginning with Poe who was killed? I kept thinking j was Wedge but really couldn't tell

I agree. Also the names alone are an indication (at least I understand it that way). It was Leia and Luke. And now it is Rey and Ren. Also Star Wars is a story about a family (in a way), I doubt they'll change that.

 

[Sanctuary]

They want to use blasters?

Except for those times they want to pull out an energy melee weapon like the stromtrooper fighting Finn did?

Why would anyone but a Jedi/Sith want to use a lightsaber in a universe that has evolved to blasters of all sizes and thermal detonators? It's like asking why soldiers today don't fight with rapiers instead of machine guns. Like, is the answer not obvious?

Stop ignoring the responses.

The fuck? No one has actually given a legitmiate answer yet. Also, like I said above, non force users also use melee weapons. So uh, why?

 

[Fliesen]

Agree.

Again, some movie-watchers aren't satisfied if every link in the chain isn't spoon fed to them. For some any unexplained things are inherently bad. Answers that have to come later (or may not come at all) are bad. Discussion is bad, waiting is bad. Imagination is bad.

I hope to never become one of those movie-watchers. Though I can understand the desire for full clarity all the time.

see, i don't blame anyone for having higher standards to story telling. There's so many shit films around that we shouldn't settle for. But i don't think TFA is anything but a wonderful film, that gives me a big fat smile on my face for the entire 140 minutes, even the 2nd time around.
I don't think this is a "we shouldn't accept garbage or they'll continue feeding us garbage" situation like with transformers. This is a really good movie - it does have some flaws, sure.
But i rather thoroughly enjoy the imperfect than be disappointed by all but 2 movies a year and nitpick the good-with-some-flaws stuff.

 

[Shuggananas]

Are we debating whether Luke was her father?
It was fairly obvious to me, he was likely standing at the grave of her soon-to-be-revealed mother too since they showed that gravestone he was in front of.

It's how Lupita knew her parents were never coming back for her, and part of the "thats a story for another time" like she gave Solo. Also Ren totally sensed they were cousins. It just fits the nostalgic throwback vibe of the movie, to have another pair of estranged family members okay an integral role... Now that she's training with her father in the light and Ren is training with his dark cult lord for epic bloodline battle finale.

Though my big question was, who was the old man in the beginning with Poe who was killed? I kept thinking j was Wedge but really couldn't tell

There was a grave ? Shiiiit I'm so blind

 

[Skux]

I hate when people complain about Rey's power. Do they want every movie to be identical? Lore is what ruined Star Wars, look at the prequels and how the over explaining sucked, you have to respect some things but feel free to experiment so give a fuckton of power to Rey and Ren, maybe introduce new Jedis, use everything that has potential.

Agreed, I didn't expect a Star Wars thread to turn into Dragonball Z-style power level debate when it's really not that complicated. Kylo is injured, and she has combat training and a strong connection to the Force.

You don't have to look deeply to notice the religious connotations of having a metaphysical power that binds all living things in the universe that can be accessed through meditation, training, and faith. If you can accept that the Force exists in this universe it's able to more than make up for any "power level" deficits a character may have.

 

[Ushojax]

I agree. Also the names alone are an indication (at least I understand it that way). It was Leia and Luke. And now it is Rey and Ren. Also Star Wars is a story about a family (in a way), I doubt they'll change that.

His real name is Ben, not Ren. But I know what you mean.

 

[Fliesen]

There was a grave ? Shiiiit I'm so blind

i must have missed it to. I'll get back to you after my 3rd viewing tonight.

btw: even during my 2nd time around i completely missed the moment where they said the name of the galactic republic's new capital.
What scene is it? - If someone hadn't told me, i still would think they had blown up coruscant.

His real name is Ben, not Ren. But I know what you mean.

maybe her name's actually Bae.
to be honest, i keep looking for some clever anagram / foreshadowing of a twist here.
like Kylo being part "KYsomething", part soLO. But i end up thinking "this ain't no harry potter, what are you doing?"

 

[Spiritreaver]

I'm sorry if this has been answered already. I abandoned the spoiler thread a few days ago. Just got back from seeing the movie a few times.

Do we know the names of the planets destroyed by the First Order?

 

[John Harker]

And speaking of which, I dunno why Han and Leia would name their son after Obi-Wan. Leia didnt know him and Han didnt really care for him all that much. I know Luke bonded with him super quickly but I just cant see Han and Leia naming their kid after Obi-Wan just as a favor to Luke. Especially since Ben wasnt his real name. Idk just seemed like a lazy emotional callback. Like, "hey and remember Obi-Wan?" I think Leia would have fought tooth and nail to name their son after Bail. I know not a lot of people would remember the name but I think it makes more sense.

Ben was the one who brought everyone together.
None of them would have met without him. It's a nice tribute.

 

[Bornstellar]

The biggest thing I felt like... there was this really forced feeling in a lot of scenes. Too many forced cameos or callbacks or something. It didn't feel natural.

Akbar in this movie is like a fanboy quoting old films to amuse themselves.

SMH.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

His real name is Ben, not Ren. But I know what you mean.

Ren desroyed Ben though. Ben is dead.

 

[Herbs]

I'm not sure if this theory has been discussed but here goes.

Maybe Rey is a clone of Luke. I'm not sure if any of the new canon has discussed Anakin's lightsaber after the Cloud City fight so I may be off on this.

Maz seems to know Rey and she obviously came into possession of Luke/Anakin's lightsaber.

It has to have been recovered after the duel at Cloud City and most likely Luke's hand was still attached to it when it was found.

We know cloning is a thing or even maybe Darth Plagueis (suggested to be Snoke) ws responsible for the cloning of Luke.

I'm sure I'm way off base but maybe it's something.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

see, i don't blame anyone for having higher standards to story telling. There's so many shit films around that we shouldn't settle for. But i don't think TFA is anything but a wonderful film, that gives me a big fat smile on my face for the entire 140 minutes, even the 2nd time around.
I don't think this is a "we shouldn't accept garbage or they'll continue feeding us garbage" situation like with transformers. This is a really good movie - it does have some flaws, sure.
But i rather thoroughly enjoy the imperfect than be disappointed by all but 2 movies a year.

I generally agree, but complaining about holes when you know in advance that the story is just a portion of a 3-part series in which the full story will be revealed just seems near-sighted. People are voicing concerns about plot points that are clearly yet to be revealed. Rey's abilities aren't a reason for scorn; they're a reason to wonder how and why and to create speculation. One example of several.

The fuck? No one has actually given a legitmiate answer yet. Also, like I said above, non force users also use melee weapons. So uh, why?

So you're just trolling the fuck out of us now. Okay. Carry on. I'll just ignore.

 

[Doctor Decimate]

I agree. Also the names alone are an indication (at least I understand it that way). It was Leia and Luke. And now it is Rey and Ren. Also Star Wars is a story about a family (in a way), I doubt they'll change that.

I'm firmly on team "Luke's daughter," but I think this is a bit of a stretch since that's not his real name.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

I'm sorry if this has been answered already. I abandoned the spoiler thread a few days ago. Just got back from seeing the movie a few times.

Do we know the names of the planets destroyed by the First Order?

Hosnian Prime I believe.

 

[RedRum]

Just got back from movies. Can die happy.

 

[Thoraxes]

I also wonder if Luke learned how to forge a new lightsaber during his isolation. You'd figure he may, given the knowledge and location he sought.

 

[Ushojax]

I'm not sure if this theory has been discussed but here goes.

Maybe Rey is a clone of Luke.

wat

 

[takriel]

And speaking of which, I dunno why Han and Leia would name their son after Obi-Wan. Leia didnt know him and Han didnt really care for him all that much. I know Luke bonded with him super quickly but I just cant see Han and Leia naming their kid after Obi-Wan just as a favor to Luke. Especially since Ben wasnt his real name. Idk just seemed like a lazy emotional callback. Like, "hey and remember Obi-Wan?" I think Leia would have fought tooth and nail to name their son after Bail. I know not a lot of people would remember the name but I think it makes more sense.

"Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope"?

 

[Skux]

My first reaction on seeing Luke was... "So he was standing there the whole time?"

 

[Whaleman]

He didn't use it with ease. He swung it around, landed a glancing blow on Kylo and then got his spline slashed. He was about to get killed by that Stormtrooper too before he was rescued.

Sounds like you are just disappointed he didn't turn out to be a Jedi, which may or may not still happen. It is unclear whether he can use the Force.

A lightsaber is for all intents and purposes a super dangerous sword without the force. A regular guy isn't going to be able to reflect blaster fire without tons of luck or the force.

 

[Kin5290]

Except for those times they want to pull out an energy melee weapon like the stromtrooper fighting Finn did?



The fuck? No one has actually given a legitmiate answer yet. Also, like I said above, non force users also use melee weapons. So uh, why?

Non-force users can use lightsabers, but they can't do anything really fancy like deflecting blaster bolts, and they're generally at a disadvantage against force users. Which is a problem when everybody else is carrying a blaster that is just as lethal from a far greater range.

As for why stormtroopers might be carrying melee weapons like that shock baton, why wouldn't they? It's not like modern soldiers eschew melee weapons because rifles are all that they need most of the time.

 

[Sanctuary]

You don't have to look deeply to notice the religious connotations of having a metaphysical power that binds all living things in the universe that can be accessed through meditation, training, and faith. If you can accept that the Force exists in this universe it's able to more than make up for any "power level" deficits a character may have.

You also kind of have to ignore the existence of the prequels, since Lucas retconned what the force actually is.

A lightsaber is for all intents and purposes a super dangerous sword without the force. A regular guy isn't going to be able to reflect blaster fire without tons of luck or the force.

It's a super dangerous sword that is supposed to be able to cut through every known material other than another lightsaber and apparently vibroblades/batons made specifically to block them.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

Why would anyone but a Jedi/Sith want to use a lightsaber in a universe that has evolved to blasters of all sizes and thermal detonators? It's like asking why soldiers today don't fight with rapiers instead of machine guns. Like, is the answer not obvious?

Stop ignoring the responses.

Jedi/Sith prefer them because of the way the force enhances the effectiveness of the weapon allowing them to deflect/reflect blaster fire, conceal them, and deal incredible damage with precision. Deflecting blaster fire isn't something the average person can do. And unless you're a jedi/sith, you don't take a knife (or sword or lightsaber) to a gunfight. That's true even in galaxies near, near to us and clearly true in galaxies far, far away.

He is not a Sith. Because he was not trained by one. There are no Sith anymore.
They are something new.

They emulate the Sith, though...

 

[watershed]

I really don't think we should try to apply too much logic to Star Wars films in general. Lucas gave Jedi lightsabers because he wanted them to be cool samurai like people. That's why other people don't get to have lightsabers.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

He is not a Sith. Because he was not trained by one. There are no Sith anymore.
They are something new.

They emulate the Sith, though...

That's not really germane to the point, but you are certainly correct. Jedi or Sith or Other, the point was about force-users compared to non-force users. Label them as you please.

 

[half a moon]

Except for those times they want to pull out an energy melee weapon like the stromtrooper fighting Finn did?



The fuck? No one has actually given a legitmiate answer yet. Also, like I said above, non force users also use melee weapons. So uh, why?

They don't want to use light sabers like Jedi? Why do Samurai use swords, medieval knights use claymores, who the fuck ever use daggers, Archers use bows? Are you really arguing this? Because of whatever cultural and battle reason.

 

[LookAtMeGo]

I could see Finn being sensitive to the force. Raised to be bad. Turns out good. I wonder who his parents are?

 

[Travo]

I bet Snoke is really Yoda sized.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

I could see Finn being sensitive to the force. Raised to be bad. Turns out good. I wonder who his parents are?

Spoiler

enter Billy D. Williams

 

[XAL]

He is not a Sith. Because he was not trained by one. There are no Sith anymore.
They are something new.

They emulate the Sith, though...

They're Sith bro, pls.

 

[munchie64]

For Rey, I absolutely understand where people are coming from with the power-up thing. Personally though it just seems no different to an action movie where the hero is pinned down by guns and then suddenly pops out and shoots everyone else.

 

[takriel]

My first reaction on seeing Luke was... "So he was standing there the whole time?"

I hope he has a good reason to justify his isolation for so many years. It doesn't really seem to fall in line with his character, tbh. If Luke can successfully fight and defeat his father, he can also fight and defeat his wannabe sith nephew.

 

[Sanctuary]

They don't want to use light sabers like Jedi? Why do Samurai use swords, medieval knights use claymores, who the fuck ever use daggers, Archers use bows? Are you really arguing this? Because of whatever cultural and battle reason.

And then when you factor in lightsabers being able to cut through every known material other than another ligthsaber and vibroblades made specifically to block them, it kind of throws out any reasons to not use them if you're going to use a melee weapon?

Anyway, I know it was supposed to represent being a cool samurai, and it was also supposed to represent a jedi's skill level, since they were actually supposed to build their own. But when anyone can swing them around, it really diminishes their unique flair.

I bet Snoke is really Yoda sized.

Lol, that's what a friend of mine was saying as well.

 

[bananafactory]

I hope he has a good reason to justify his isolation for so many years. It doesn't really seem to fall in line with his character, tbh.

It's difficult for us to reconcile his situation with the Luke we know from ROTJ, but the problem is that this Luke is likely in a very different place, emotionally. The look on his face was clear to me that he's been damaged.

I think the isolation will seem more in character once we actually get to...know his character