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[Stiflers Mom]

2. Rey seemed to have heard quite a bit of the resistance fighters and all their legends. She may have heard stories of Jedi mind tricks and just gave it a shot. Remember she did fail at it in her first few attempts before actually getting the trooper to cooperate.

I don't like quoting the shitty prequels, but even that wack scrapyard merchant Wattoo knew of "Jedi Mind Tricks", didn't he..

 

[Ithil]

Yeah wasn't he basically a garbage man/janitor for The First Order? Outside of basic training I don't think he had much combat experience but then why was he sent on his mission in the first place?

It's not out of the ordinary for soldiers to have to engage in sanitation work.

 

[boclfon479]

Yeah, Han calls him Ben in their scene together.

Named after old Ben kenobi

 

[WrenchNinja]

Why was there a map to Luke to begin with?

 

[TheTurboFD]

How is it cliche? The central characters in each of the preceding trilogies have been male. The vast majority of Jedi, especially major character Jedi, have been male. Really, if Finn was the one to develop an affinity to the Force that would have been cliche.

Eh I'm not sure how to explain it. Just a bit into the movie and I could tell she was going to be a jedi. Finn on the other hand I would have actually been surprised.

 

[JimiNutz]

It's not out of the ordinary for soldiers to have to engage in sanitation work.

Maybe sanitation is actually the code name for death squads in The First Order lol

 

[Salty Catfish]

Why was there a map to Luke to begin with?

They never addressed this, but I'm assuming it will be answered in the next movie along with who exactly the Max von Sydow character was.

 

[Loomba]

Why was there a map to Luke to begin with?

In case he needs to be found. Which is clearly the case now.

 

[Erevador]

This movie is filled with Han Solos.

Finn = Han Solo that tries to run away but come back for his friends.

Poe = Han Solo that's a crack pilot and super lucky

Rey = sucesssor to Han that can fly the Falcon like ace and has the know how to keep it that thing running.

Han Solo = Old Han Solo.

I don't think Rey was like Han Solo at all, other than being mechanically inclined. She's not very quippy. She seems like an abandoned child to me, someone aching for acceptance.

Finn isn't nearly as crafty as Solo. He's a guy that's totally out of his depth trying to figure things out.

Poe is definitely the most Solo-esque in terms of being cocky, but he gave me more Errol Flynn vibes because his character seems to be a straight up hero, not a morally ambiguous guy.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I think it would be pretty clever if what we see of Snoke is in fact a hologram, and the person in control of it purposefully made it to look like Darth Plagueis. That would be a cool Wizard of Oz-esque touch.

I could also see Snoke being maz kanata's size when you finally see him in person.

 

[Inferno313]

Mon Motha says as much in the new EU books that she doesn't want the new Republic to be seen as just a replacement for the Empire, but rather a return to actual Democratic Governance. She also says that means winding down the Rebel forces.

That doesn't mean they have to go away completely though. Think more UN Peacekeeping Forces vs say USA military.

It also doesn't explain the time frame. Sure it's been 30 years, but just like with ESB doesn't mean cause a Death Star got blown up suddenly all of the Empire is just gone after ROTJ. That's why we had things like the Battle of Jakku.

Plus that Death Star Planet thing would take time. I mean if you read the Tarkin novel he's overseasing the first Death Star building process only a few years into the Empire reign. That would mean the Death Planet would have had to be in the works for a while. You telling me the Republic or Like didn't notice that shit?

I'm not sure if this is alluded to in the movie or not, but Wookiepedia says that Starkiller Base was located in The Unknown Regions. I guess the idea is that they've been building the base beyond the Republic's known space.

 

[Herbs]

How bout the character looked like shit regardless of your technical expertise in the field of CGI?

nah, it's more likely you and others just are fairly clueless about it. based on all your questions too I'm guessing you aren't quick on the uptake with story beat either.

 

[boclfon479]

But why did R2 wake up once Rey got to the base?

I'm guessing his instructions from Luke were to stay in low power mode until they found a force sensitive person that would be able to be trained by him.


Remember, they said he fled after kylo turned to the dark side while training with him and killed the other force sensitive people. He was worried about training anymore force sensitive people because he doesn't want to relive what happened, so he probably told R2 to wait until someone appears that both is force sensitive and also has a clear sense of the light side.

 

[Vanillalite]

I'm not sure if this is alluded to in the movie or not, but Wookiepedia says that Starkiller Base was located in The Unknown Regions. I guess the idea is that they've been building the base beyond the Republic's known space.

You gotta sorce parts from somewhere though. Like you don't build something that fucking bigs with just a pile of trash you buy at Watto's shop. LoL

 

[WadiumArcadium]

I'm not sure if this is alluded to in the movie or not, but Wookiepedia says that Starkiller Base was located in The Unknown Regions. I guess the idea is that they've been building the base beyond the Republic's known space.

Yeah. Hosnian Prime was some distance from Starkiller Base.

 

[Kaibutsu]

So I went back and watched some of the light saber duels from the prequels after watching the movie last night and I was crushed. I remember thinking those were the greatest things ever but watching them now all I could think of was, man these are so silly.
What's up with all the flourish and excess movements? Why all the flips and spins? Why are they pausing and holding their poses? I at one point yelled, just fucking stab him! I then remembered it was the late 90's and mainstream America was just getting into Hong Kong action & kung fu movies and was like ohhhhhh, right.
Re-watching those made me appreciate the fights in the Force Awakens. Clumsy, out of breath, awkward, you know, like a real sword fight. Even Ren who would be a good, trained fighter, didn't spin, didn't flip, didn't pose. This is the way it should be.

 

[Sylas]

Just watched it, it was pretty cool.

Only things i didn't like that much:

- Snoke looked bad (even if it's just a hologram)

- Rey seemed to be too good with the force - the mind control, the saber pull, etc. I guess they will probably brush it aside in the sequel by saying that she's the new chosen one / the most powerful jedi ever or something like that.

- Finn also seemed to be a bit too good at using the lightsaber (i'm not enough of a Star Wars connoisseur to know if it's canon for someone "normal" to be able to decently handle a lightsaber. Or maybe I missed some detail in the film that showed him as force sensitive as well?)

To the bolded...

- I'm fairly certain they're going to go with Rey having some sort of PTSD. She was definitely one of Luke's original padawans before Ben Solo flipped his shit and murdered the new Order. It wouldn't surprise me if she has some general idea/training of the Force. She clearly has suppressed memories of her time before Jakku, unless we wanna go with everything she saw when she touched Luke's saber as a force vision--but I saw some of it as remembering her own past.

- As for Finn, he wasn't event that good at using a lightsaber. None of them were, in fact. Most of them were swinging it like a goddamn laser club instead of a sword and that was perfect. They all had some level of melee weapon training, which makes sense given everyone's background. Finn was a soldier and should have some kind of combat training, Rey was using it like she'd use her staff weapon.

I thought the bit with Ben/Kylo and Han on the bridge was fascinating. I'm really hoping it wasn't actually Benlo playing it up for dramatic effect and he actually was conflicted. The part about "being torn apart" and "in pain" makes me think that it really, really sucks to have Force sensitivity. It might be why Snoke was able to manipulate him into turning against the new Jedi, even. What if being force sensitive and not properly trained with it could turn you mad, especially if you're taught to embrace it early on like I'm sure Han and Leia's kid would've been?

 

[Inferno313]

You gotta sorce parts from somewhere though. Like you don't build something that fucking bigs with just a pile of trash you buy at Wado's shop. LoL

True, but that's the type of shit that would make for bland, boring, and unnecessary exposition. I'm sure some book will tackle that at some point soon.

 

[JB1981]

nah, it's more likely you and others just are fairly clueless about it. based on all your questions too I'm guessing you aren't quick on the story beat uptakes either.

How about visually he looked like a Saturday morning cartoon? What other story beats did we miss genius ?

 

[Kud Dukan]

Saw the film last night with some friends and we all loved it. That scene between Kylo Ren and Han on the bridge was one of the best scenes from any of the films. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. Adam Driver was such a great choice.

 

[Ithil]

So I went back and watched some of the light saber duels from the prequels after watching the movie last night and I was crushed. I remember thinking those were the greatest things ever but watching them now all I could think of was, man these are so silly.
What's up with all the flourish and excess movements? Why all the flips and spins? Why are they pausing and holding their poses? I at one point yelled, just fucking stab him! I then remembered it was the late 90's and mainstream America was just getting into Hong Kong action & kung fu movies and was like ohhhhhh, right.
Re-watching those made me appreciate the fights in the Force Awakens. Clumsy, out of breath, awkward, you know, like a real sword fight. Even Ren who would be a good, trained fighter, didn't spin, didn't flip, didn't pose. This is the way it should be.

They also kept getting injured during the duel. Ren, Finn and Rey all were getting tossed around or slashed throughout the duel, not just at the end after an extensive recital of choreographed baton moves.

 

[JimJamJones]

This movie is filled with Han Solos.

Finn = Han Solo that tries to run away but come back for his friends.

Poe = Han Solo that's a crack pilot and super lucky

Rey = sucesssor to Han that can fly the Falcon like ace and has the know how to keep it that thing running.

Han Solo = Old Han Solo.

You could say the same thing replacing Han Solos with Luke Skywalkers, though.

 

[Ragnorok64]

I don't think Rey was like Han Solo at all, other than being mechanically inclined. She's not very quippy. She seems like an abandoned child to me, someone aching for acceptance.

Finn isn't nearly as crafty as Solo. He's a guy that's totally out of his depth trying to figure things out.

Poe is definitely the most Solo-esque in terms of being cocky, but he gave me more Errol Flynn vibes because his character seems to be a straight up hero, not a morally ambiguous guy.

Not all can perfectly follow the footsteps of Solo, who died so that all may live. But so long as one manages to crack jokes in the face if danger and against all odds live through situations one has no real right to, they can take on aspects of the Solo.

 

[WrenchNinja]

They never addressed this, but I'm assuming it will be answered in the next movie along with who exactly the Max von Sydow character was.

Okay, I thought I was supposed to know who the old guy was. Good to know it's supposed to be a mystery.

In case he needs to be found. Which is clearly the case now.

Seems like they've been needing Luke since day 1 and it sounds like he didn't really want to be found if he was gone this long by his lonesome on a random planet.

 

[Apathy]

Finn got the shit beat out of him twice and his technique was clearly sloppy. It's not like he picked up a lightsaber and instantly turned into Darth Maul.

So he killed at least one stormtrooper with it and lasted long enough vs people more trained than him and survived is what you're getting at. Again, I'm not saying he was good with a lightsaber, I'm saying people want to throw out this theory that he got training cause one oher stormtrooper has a almost lightsaber but then also go to say oh but he got beat quick to try and cover up obvious plot holes that were made for the sake of "make it look cool" moments. There is no indication any other stormtrooper had melee training except that one finn fights but everyone wants to say finn got training too. That's jumping to conclusion just to not admit to bad writing. Now if we saw every stormtrooper carrying that side melee weapon I would agree.

 

[Herbs]

How about visually he looked like a Saturday morning cartoon? What other story beats did we miss genius ?

a bit inadequate aren't you?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So I went back and watched some of the light saber duels from the prequels after watching the movie last night and I was crushed. I remember thinking those were the greatest things ever but watching them now all I could think of was, man these are so silly.
What's up with all the flourish and excess movements? Why all the flips and spins? Why are they pausing and holding their poses? I at one point yelled, just fucking stab him! I then remembered it was the late 90's and mainstream America was just getting into Hong Kong action & kung fu movies and was like ohhhhhh, right.
Re-watching those made me appreciate the fights in the Force Awakens. Clumsy, out of breath, awkward, you know, like a real sword fight. Even Ren who would be a good, trained fighter, didn't spin, didn't flip, didn't pose. This is the way it should be.

Kylo does actually spin but he's doing it with purpose and to generate some momentum. It was in this TV spot. Totally agree that it was an improvement on the PT.

 

[Glass Shark]

Did anybody notice during the scenes with Snoke that the music from Revenge of The Sith where Palpatine is telling the story of Darth Plagueis is playing?

This will never end, will it?

Even if we get to the end of the trilogy and Snoke is never revealed as Plagueis, there will be people who claim it was "implied".

 

[Inferno313]

Which planet was The Resistance Base on?

 

[Moff]

Yeah. Hosnian Prime was some distance from Starkiller Base.

and they saw hosni prime blowing up from takadana with their bare eyes?
bullshit
it looked like that planet was in the same star system, and even then it would not have been that big, but half the galaxy away?

 

[JB1981]

Luke Skywalker has vanished. Some old man has a secret map to his whereabouts but we don't know who this old man is or why he's willing to give up Luke's location despite his wish for secrecy.

R2 had the plans all along but he's in sleep mode until the very end because reasons.

 

[Sylas]

So he killed at least one stormtrooper with it and lasted long enough vs people more trained than him and survived is what you're getting at. Again, I'm not saying he was good with a lightsaber, I'm saying people want to throw out this theory that he got training cause one oher stormtrooper has a almost lightsaber but then also go to say oh but he got beat quick to try and cover up obvious plot holes that were made for the sake of "make it look cool" moments. There is no indication any other stormtrooper had melee training except that one finn fights but everyone wants to say finn got training too. That's jumping to conclusion just to not admit to bad writing. Now if we saw every stormtrooper carrying that side melee weapon I would agree.

Dawg, they're soldiers. Most soldiers are trained in close-quarters combat to some degree, especially if their core was originally based around fighting jedi-in-training, as the First Order would be if Snoke was their leader.

 

[Ithil]

How about visually he looked like a Saturday morning cartoon? What other story beats did we miss genius ?

Ok.

And how did look like a "Saturday morning cartoon"?

 

[Erevador]

Not all can perfectly follow the footsteps of Solo, who died so that all may live. But so long as one manages to crack jokes in the face if danger and against all odds live through situations one has no real right to, they can take on aspects of the Solo.

I will say Oscar Isaac has that same magnetism and sex appeal that young Ford had. The guy's electric. I just hope they give him even more to do in the sequel. Poe Dameron is instantly likeable.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

]- I'm fairly certain they're going to go with Rey having some sort of PTSD. She was definitely one of Luke's original padawans before Ben Solo flipped his shit and murdered the new Order. It wouldn't surprise me if she has some general idea/training of the Force. She clearly has suppressed memories of her time before Jakku, unless we wanna go with everything she saw when she touched Luke's saber as a force vision--but I saw some of it as remembering her own past.[

They show her in a flashback being taken as a slave on Jakku and shes' VERY young. Unless they just want to make that flashback a lie I dont see how she was ever a padawan.

 

[Herbs]

Ok.

And how did look like a "Saturday morning cartoon"?

you know, reasons.

I mean the dude can't grasp there is a larger story being told and needs the answers baby fed to him in one film. Star Wars may be to highbrow for him?

 

[meanspartan]

Just got back from my showing, and I really enjoyed this film. Been a pretty casual Star Wars fan for a long time, honestly got into the series more through games like Pod Racer and Kotor, than the movies themselves.

This movie was fun as hell. The only real complaints I have are that Finn was not force sensitive--lovely red herring lol--, and that there were several plot points like Han Solo's death that felt extremely predictable. Still, I really enjoyed these new characters. John Boyega as Finn was incredibly entertaining. Daisey Ridley was great. The new droid was cool. And Keylo Ren . . . I actually really like what was done with this guy. Keylo Ren up until he takes his face-mask off is an extremely intimidating character, who possesses an aura of menace and badassery. After that, it's hard to not look at Kylo Ren as something of a petulant child or bitch. But I actually like that this was a man who is actively resisting the light, resisting his true nature. And he's struggling hard. Keylo Ren becomes more vulnerable upon taking off the mask. More human and a lot less badass, but I found him far more compelling. I actually really want to see the progression of this character. After he completes his training, will be more like the juggernaut of the darkside he perceived Vader to be? Or is he just too inclined to the light? Very interested to see what happens going forward, movie really just felt like good setup.

Do we know this for sure? What confirmed that he was not force sensitive? I know you don't technically need to be sensitive to use a lightsaber (Grievous) but still, he seemed pretty capable.

 

[Ithil]

and they saw hosni prime blowing up from takadana with their bare eyes?
bullshit
it looked like that planet was in the same star system, and even then it would not have been that big, but half the galaxy away?

I don't believe a single piece of Star Wars media in the history of the franchise has ever treated the size of the galaxy with any amount of realism.

 

[Kaibutsu]

Kylo does actually spin but he's doing it with purpose and to generate some momentum. It was in this TV spot. Totally agree that it was an improvement on the PT.

True but it certainly was not a darth maul look at me i'm a gymnast spin

 

[TEJ]

My only complaint about the film was that it was a bit too fast paced. I liked a lot of the slow moments that gave you breathing space.

It's a retread but a very entertaining one. I won't be so kind towards ep 8 if it's just a retread of tesb.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

and they saw hosni prime blowing up from takadana with their bare eyes?
bullshit
it looked like that planet was in the same star system, and even then it would not have been that big, but half the galaxy away?

I didn't actually hear them refer to it as Hosnian Prime being destroyed, but someone in this thread recalled them saying it was the Hosnian system.

Edit: Just read it somewhere else as well. It was the Hosnian system. Yep, it's on Wookieepedia too.

 

[Sylas]

They show her in a flashback being taken as a slave on Jakku and shes' VERY young. Unless they just want to make that flashback a lie I dont see how she was ever a padawan.

I think it was stated she was 5 years old at the time. I saw it somewhere, but I can't remember! If she was being raised by the Jedi--or her parents were a part of it, it would make sense that she'd have some latent knowledge of the Force and possibly even a bit of "training."

 

[gunstarhero]

Did they really need R2 to complete that map?

Otherwise - HOLY SHIT, it was awesome.

 

[Rydeen]

This will never end, will it?

Even if we get to the end of the trilogy and Snoke is never revealed as Plagueis, there will be people who claim it was "implied".

John Williams puts those cues in for a reason, dude. It's not by coincidence, it's by design. Plus this movie just came out, let's have some fun and speculate shall we?

 

[Tizoc]

What will the subtitle of the next movie be?

The whole bit with R2D2 dying of a broken heart and magically reawakening was real silly right?

I get the sense he was programmed to wake up when there was a jedi around...Assuming that was either Rey or Finn...

Likewise, in fact I would've preferred that Rey or Finn be in close proximity to R2D2 to activate him again...

 

[Vanillalite]

True, but that's the type of shit that would make for bland, boring, and unnecessary exposition. I'm sure some book will tackle that at some point soon.

Yeah, but why wouldn't the Republic know this? Even if the location of the planet was secret at least knowing the first order was trying to build it.

Why would the Republic not be able to say "yo remember the Death Star that killed a planet? They are trying to build one 10 times that size! We might need to do something about this before we all die!"

Instead it appears the shadow Resistance organization had to be formed. Made no fucking sense.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

I don't believe a single piece of Star Wars media in the history of the franchise has ever treated the size of the galaxy with any amount of realism.

I found myself wondering how Starkiller base has an ecosystem on the surface if it removes the sun every time it fires.

 

[Ithil]

John Williams puts those cues in for a reason, dude. It's not by coincidence, it's by design. Plus this movie just came out, let's have some fun and speculate shall we?

Here's my speculation. They never make a single direct reference to the PT in the entirety of this trilogy, other than the most broad strokes already known in the OT and some background stuff like the flags at the cantina.
Let alone have the main villain be a PT character.

 

[Werd]

Alright, saw it last night.

I wish I had gotten decent sleep the night before as the middle was dragging a good bit for me and I'm not sure how much of that was that I was tired or the actual movie. Which wasn't helped by sitting in a theater for 8 full hours between watching Creed, waiting for TFA and watching TFA.

Anyway, I generally agree with a lot of the opinions I"ve seen. The characters were great, which is a very good foundation for the sequels even if the story/world wasn't as strong. I really liked the Kylo/Han confrontation, Chewie getting a hit in, and how Kylo vs Finn/Rey played out... up until the point that Rey started winning. I would have stopped it at just getting one good exchange in with another wound to Kylo, he sees her as a legitimate threat then they get separated. To have her actually fighting him evenly for several minutes and clearly winning towards the end was a little silly, he's supposed to have been trained by Luke and clearly a powerful fighter.. holding blaster bolts in mid-air and all... an injury can be enough to help her survive and get a hit in but just went too far.

And as for the CG characters, I had no problem at all with Maz. Looked good, decent role. Snoke didn't come off as believable unfortuantely and I didn't particularly like the performance.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I found myself wondering how Starkiller base has an ecosystem on the surface if it removes the sun every time it fires.

I'm assuming they move to a new star quickly enough that the plants and animals don't die. Hyperdrive and all.