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[Salty Catfish]

So what has Rian Johnson done in the past?

Brick, a great neo-noir, and Looper, a very good time travel action movie. He's an excellent choice.

 

[Occam]

While it wasn't shown or mentioned in the movies, the Death Stars/Star Killer must have had hyper drives, right? How else could they move from one system to the other without taking hundreds of thousands of years?

 

[half a moon]

Poe carried this film.

Rey>Finn>Poe

 

[phazedplasma]

1) Empire
2) An New Hope
3) Force Awakens

4) Jedi





6) shit
7) shit
8) shit

 

[FUBAR McDangles]

Also, I'm wondering if an issue I had was with my theater or the movie itself.

Every single scene that Carrie Fisher was in was just a hint out of focus. The picture was just barely blurry, as if they were doing something in post to make Carrie look better for her role as Leia but it just made her less-than-sharp.

No other scenes had this issue. But it consistently happened with anything involving Leia.

 

[Mikeside]

Z6 Riot Control Baton. The shield he tosses away AFAIK is the Beta Blast Riot Shield. Name is just Storm Trooper with Baton and Shield.

boy oh boy do I want that, but I just ordered the Kylo Ren from that series & probably shouldn't waste my money.....maybe next month

 

[Sephzilla]

Rey>Finn>Poe

Rey>Finn>BB8>Poe

 

[Owari]

correct rankings

1) Empire Strikes Back

2) Return of The Jedi
3) Star Wars



4) Force Awakens




5) Revenge of the Shit

6) Phantom Menace





7) Attack of the Clowns.

Yep. Perfect order. ROTJ is much better than ROTS.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Rey>Finn>Poe

Yep.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I mean, does it make sense that it would continue?

His Force Powers are a strange collection, honestly. Newish stuff.

He can pull memories out of your mind
He can PAUSE things.

He's not just holding things still, he's getting them STUCK where he wants them. The way people/things just vibrate there is visually interesting and really creepy. Same with the memory shit. He's just creepy in general, really.

 

[KevinCow]

TFA > RotS > ESB >>>>> RotJ > ANH > AotC > TPM

 

[Frumix]

i still don't want it to happen, because it once again means that "if we get a female protagonist, she'll HAVE to fall in love with one of the male protagonists."
see Katniss, see Tris, see ... Elizabeth Swann.

The thing with Katniss is not that simple. The movie adaptation of THG glazes over a lot of inner feelings that are told in the book, and they're not just fluff as the story is told through her character and how she feels, so her relationships with other characters in the story sometimes feel unearned in the movies.

Divergent is trashio.

As for TFA, it's pretty clear that there's no romance to be had here with Rey, not right now anyway, she has other things on her mind and it's great.

 

[Sephzilla]

ROTJ is way better than A New Hope though.

 

[HunRevan]

What is a Plagueis?

I keep seeing him mentioned in relation to Snoke, but I've never heard of him. An old EU thing?

He is canon. He was mentioned by Sidious/Palpatine in ROTS. Its not said but he was Palpatines former master.

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

My friends kept complaining that there was no resemblance to Harrison Ford or Carrie Fisher

Really?

 

[Digital-Hero]

7>4>5>6>>>>>>>3>>>>2>>1

Too high for 7, but man is it better than ANH. ANH is a slow boring movie until the final Death Star attack. I feel asleep in the ANH on the theater re-release in 1996.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

Saw it last night and slept on my impressions.

Finn is top-tier, best part of the film. Boyega was really the perfect casting. Rey was pretty damn good (even with her rampant power creep), and Ford gave us a magnificent Han one last time. I was a bit disappointed by Poe's pretty small role because I thought he was pretty cool as well.

All that said, I'm not sure how I feel yet. Some of the nostalgic stuff was really evocative, and some felt cheap and cynical to me. So much of the movie seemed formulaic. Hell, the OST sounded formulaic as hell. I think my biggest disappointment is that the movie had me enthralled from an action perspective, but that's about all my investment. Just to make the comparison, I'll critique Star Trek '09 to hell and beck, but that movie has spots that make me tear up, even after seeing it a bajillion times. I didn't tear up once during this movie.

After sleeping on it, my gut says that it's better than the PT, but I'm not sure if it's better that ROTJ (what I regard as the worst of the OT).

Ranking for me is either 5>4>6>7>3>1>2 or 5>4>7>6>3>2>1.

 

[Sectorseven]

There (hopefully) might be fleets and armies that escaped the destruction and can join the fight, but they are unlikely to be able to mobilize for a full scale invasion in a few days.

That'd be some piss poor strategy to have all your troops just sitting in the capital, especially in a world where the technology to destroy planets exist. Say Washington DC got completely nuked by ISIS, imagine what the retaliation would be. It wouldn't be arming the Syrian rebels with RPGs.

 

[Reversed]

Yo Google you better stay calm.

 

[bachikarn]

Was the system that the starkiller based destroyed the capital system of the Nw republic? Hux's speech made it sound like they were about to wipe out the republic but not sure if that was actually the case.

 

[diaspora]

His Force Powers are a strange collection, honestly. Newish stuff.

He can pull memories out of your mind
He can PAUSE things.

He's not just holding things still, he's getting them STUCK where he wants them. The way people/things just vibrate there is visually interesting and really creepy. Same with the memory shit. He's just creepy in general, really.

Spoiler

Bastila re-wrote entire new memories for Revan.

 

[emb]

I mean, does it make sense that it would continue? You use the force to stop something, why does it still have momentum? Unless Ren like 'threw' the bolt when he was done with it. Eh, like everything else in this movie (and star wars in general) it doesnt make sense when you look into it. But it's fun as hell.

One difference between watching Star Wars as a kid vs now, it's hard to suspend disbelief at the idea of ships going near light speed, or having enough inhabitable planets around to be blowing some up. But like you said, it's all super fun anyway.

 

[NumberThree]

Episode VIII will be Rey traveling to other planets trying to find other the other Jedi.

Onderon
Korriban (because fuck Moraband, that stupid ass name)
Nar Shadaa
Dantooine

They renamed/retconned Korriban? Wtf.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Yo Google you better stay calm.

Yikes.

 

[Croatoan]

His Force Powers are a strange collection, honestly. Newish stuff.

He can pull memories out of your mind
He can PAUSE things.

He's not just holding things still, he's getting them STUCK where he wants them. The way people/things just vibrate there is visually interesting and really creepy. Same with the memory shit. He's just creepy in general, really.

Jacen Solo could do creepy stuff like that.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

What is a Plagueis?

I keep seeing him mentioned in relation to Snoke, but I've never heard of him. An old EU thing?

Did you ever hear the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?...

He's Palpy's old master, Darth Wrinkles talked with Anakin about how he killed him in the play scene in Revenge of the Sith.

His backstory was more fleshed out in the EU tho yes

 

[Meowster]

Not sure about the top three..

ESB =/= ANH =/= TFA >>>> ROTJ > ROTS > TPM >>> The Holiday Special >>> AOTC

 

[MadLaughter]

Rey>Finn>BB8>Poe

FN-B4D455>Rey>Finn>BB8>Poe

 

[saelz8]

My theater was hype. We had Darth Maul show up with a Darth Vader. People were yelling "Star Wars" before the movie even started. People were cheering during the opening, Han Solo showing up, Leia, Skywalker. People were practically whimpering when Solo died, and people started clapping and screaming when the movie ended. Then people started screaming for Jar Jar Binks to be after the credits.

 

[onimushroom]

I liked all the new mains.
Poe was interesting, since it seemed like he was going to be the new Han Solo, but he's super nice. He has the skills, but instead of cockiness/arrogance he's friendly and encouraging.

 

[Maybesew]

correct rankings

1) Empire Strikes Back

2) Return of The Jedi
3) Star Wars



4) Force Awakens




5) Revenge of the Shit

6) Phantom Menace





7) Attack of the Clowns.

No one in their right mind would put Return of the Jedi over Episode 4

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

So what has Rian Johnson done in the past?

There's a website for that, you know...

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426059/?ref_=nv_sr_1

Looper was a really good movie.

 

[Salty Catfish]

Yo Google you better stay calm.

Same thing happens if you plug in "Kylo Ren" -- the very first suggestion is a spoiler.

 

[Irnbru]

So all I got from the movie was that Kylo was a cookie cutter mother fucker, just like the rest of these dudes, safe moist as dudes. Man the edge was too stronk.

Also totally boba fett effect on phasma

 

[Roc]

I liked all the new actors. They each added something cool. Some of the shots were awesome too, and the way the world was built up. For instance, seeing the derelict star destroyer/AT-AT, or the alliance helmet Rey wore.

I felt as though the movie relied too heavily upon nostalgia from the original movies, however. A lot of it seemed really forced and not particularly well placed, and it happened extremely frequently throughout the movie. Also, the planet sized super weapon ("star killer") seemed silly to me. A weapon that can destroy entire planets from across the galaxy? It's just too damn much, and really just seems to be a recycled death star plot.

Overall, though, I enjoyed the movie.

 

[Sylas]

The execution of Anakin's backstory left to be desired. But it WAS convincing. It made a lot of sense. It might have had clunky writing and acting, but the fundamentals absolutely work. His fear of losing loved ones was played well with his mother, the fact that his transgression of the jedi code forced him to have only one ally, the chancellor, he turned into a mass murderer because he felt cornered. Palpatine played his anxiety well. Poor execution, obviously, but I still can relate to what happened and I think it was decent.

Kylo is literally a piss baby. Yes they can make anything out of him, in the future, with more info, but right now, he is a little whiny brat that killed his father and was "waiting a long time for this".

Vader had nothing to go back to, if he did things would be entirely different (and we know that with his interaction with Luke once he learns the truth).

Kylo had everything. Humanity, family, love, legacy, even power (as son of Leia). It's going to be pretty hard for them to make a 12 years old turning evil feel intense.

The fact that he was so torn in this movie also means that whichever motivation he had, was absolutely not solid conviction, which means it wasn't justified to be that evil in the first place.

The only thing they can do, is emphasize how Snoke got into his head and made him a puppet.

I feel like the movie gives us a fair bit to work on for Benlo's backstory. He was definitely a problem child to some degree and likely always had anger issues growing up. I don't think he was given to Luke for training as a child, but rather sent to Luke when things got to be too much.

They could go with several angles, but I think the most compelling one would be to simply make it: Han and Leia were terrible parents.

Ben grew up hearing stories about how his parents were these great war heroes. They saved the galaxy! But the movie tells us that they fought a lot. Leia prioritizes her duties over her emotional bonds. Han runs away and becomes a smuggler again because it was "the only thing he ever did well." Neither of them likely made for good parents, and so Ben lashed out a lot. He wanted their love, their attention--he wanted to see his parents as the heroes the rest of galaxy saw them as.

So they sent him to Uncle Luke. He was force sensitive, but it's salient to remember that Leia is seemingly not trained as part of Luke's new Jedi Order. Why?

He came to Luke with a lot of baggage and Luke was in no way qualified to deal with it. So he fucked the kid up further by trying to instill him with a sense of "duty." Somewhere along that road, Snoke showed up and showed Ben a path to greatness--much like his Grandfather's--that was likely an easier path for him to take. He already had anger. He just had to use that anger rather than getting rid of it, like Luke would have likely told him to do.

It makes going "evil" still the sort of choice that Star Wars is and was about, but it makes it an understandable choice. Benlo is still young, he's still a kid--at the most he's in his late 20's--and grew up in what were almost absolutely fucked up circumstances. The Dark Side offered more for less. It was wrong, but it was easier.

 

[Sephzilla]

No one in their right mind would put Return of the Jedi over Episode 4

ROTJ is way better than A New Hope though.

New Hope is great but nothing in ANH sniffs the greatness that is Vader vs Luke 2

 

[DownGrader]

Star Trek (09) was a slightly better Star Wars movie than this Star Wars movie. Which is okay, as I really, really liked Star Trek.

1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Star Wars
3) The Force Awakens
4) Revenge of the SIth
5) Return of the Jedi
6) The Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clones

The threads left hanging by this film make me kinda excited, knowing that Rian Johnson is gonna be the one picking 'em up.

I like how, no matter which films are the favorite for every person, nobody dares to place Attack of the Clones higher that on 7th place, ha ha.

I actually like prequels but Episode II is so weak.

 

[Anton Sugar]

FN-B4D455>Rey>Finn>BB8>Poe

Almost forgot about the shield he was initially carrying--gives even more of a riot/crowd control look to him.

 

[rrc1594]

I think fans are to hard on the prequels. I don't for a second think RoTS is shit. Phantom Menace is shit tho

 

[Lazy vs Crazy]

So what has Rian Johnson done in the past?

He directed a really neat Mountain Goats music video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bSdRizGYb0

 

[Digital-Hero]

I liked all the new mains.
Poe was interesting, since it seemed like he was going to be the new Han Solo, but he's super nice. He has the skills, but instead of cockiness/arrogance he's friendly and encouraging.

There are real people out there like that. I know a few. They have other flaws.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

They renamed/retconned Korriban? Wtf.

They renamed it in the last season of The Clone Wars (which is canon) at Lucas' direction

 

[ZZMitch]

7>4>5>6>>>>>>>3>>>>2>>1

5>>7=4>6>>>>>3>>>>>2>1

 

[KevinCow]

Too high for 7, but man is it better than ANH. ANH is a slow boring movie until the final Death Star attack. I feel asleep in the ANH on the theater re-release in 1996.

THANK YOU.

ANH may have been groundbreaking for 1977, but in 2015 it's boring as hell.

 

[Anton Sugar]

His Force Powers are a strange collection, honestly. Newish stuff.

He can pull memories out of your mind
He can PAUSE things.

He's not just holding things still, he's getting them STUCK where he wants them. The way people/things just vibrate there is visually interesting and really creepy. Same with the memory shit. He's just creepy in general, really.

I loved how they handled his Force powers. There are some nice almost horror-esque moments, which is wonderful.

 

[Chezzymann]

Yo Google you better stay calm.

 

[Nete]

Wasn't that a Special Forces TIE/FO as opposed to the regular TIE/FO? The one that Poe and Finn stole, I mean.

The one they steal? Yep, it's an Special Forces TIE. But we don't have it on the miniatures game yet

I mean, if the regular TIE has shields, the other also should.

 

[DownGrader]

Star Trek (09) was a slightly better Star Wars movie than this Star Wars movie. Which is okay, as I really, really liked Star Trek.

1) The Empire Strikes Back
2) Star Wars
3) The Force Awakens
4) Revenge of the SIth
5) Return of the Jedi
6) The Phantom Menace
7) Attack of the Clones

The threads left hanging by this film make me kinda excited, knowing that Rian Johnson is gonna be the one picking 'em up.

correct rankings

1) Empire Strikes Back

2) Return of The Jedi
3) Star Wars



4) Force Awakens




5) Revenge of the Shit

6) Phantom Menace





7) Attack of the Clowns.

I like how, no matter which films are the favorite for every person, nobody dares to place Attack of the Clones higher that on 7th place, ha ha.

I actually like prequels but Episode II is so weak.

 

[lybertyboy]

Am I crazy or did they apply some sort of "digital makeup" to Carrie Fisher in this movie ala Michael Douglas in Ant-Man? Something felt...off in all of her scenes in a way it doesn't when she's just talking in interviews.

Still and all, I enjoyed this movie a bunch, flaws and all.