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[TangoAlphaLima]

Yo Google you better stay calm.

Honestly, anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure out that Harrison Ford is gettin' too old for this shit and wouldn't want to keep making Star Wars movies. His death could have been seen from a mile away.

 

[Inferno313]

i still don't want it to happen, because it once again means that "if we get a female protagonist, she'll HAVE to fall in love with one of the male protagonists."
see Katniss, see Tris, see ... Elizabeth Swann.

it was SO refreshing that Furiosa didn't have end up hooking up with Max.

Ship em all you like, i simply hope they'll be focussing on the fact that a guy and a girl can be actual friends.
Disney's fine with subverting certain tropes - see Frozen, which is (mostly) about sisterly love. Elsa don't need no man, yo.

Disagree. Being a strong, independent, complex, and positive female character shouldn't exclude them from experiencing romantic and sexual desires. To want love is to be human, there's no weakness in wanting companionship.

Most male protagonists in stories have a romantic interest, and we don't consider them weaker or lesser for that.

There's a difference between needing a man, and wanting a man. As long as it's never the former, than it's fine.

 

[kirblar]

The more i stew on it, the more the Home Alone 2 plot elements bug me- same issue as ST: Into Darkness in a lot of ways. (Especially the contrived ObiWan re-enactment.)

 

[ultratruman]

why @ that helicopter shot at the end tho

reminded me of all those abominable helicopter shots in LOTR

i liked it, stuck with me.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I love all three of the OT and I love TFA. And I can't rank them at all. To me it's

ESB

ANH=ROTJ=TFA

.
.
TPM
AOTC
ROTS



(I hate RotS).

 

[jett]

So what has Rian Johnson done in the past?

A sorta good movie with weird dialogue and an average sci-fi movie that takes place in farm during its second half.

Spoiler

I have not seen the Brothers Bloom.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

Anyone gif the BB-8 thumbs up yet?


Also for me its:

1. ESB
2. TFA
3. ANH
4. ROTJ
5. ROTS
6. TPM
7. AOTC

3 and 4 are pretty close, 4 and 5 are several magnitudes apart, and 6 and 7 are almost equally terrible.

 

[onimushroom]

There are real people out there like that. I know a few. They have other flaws.

idontbelieveyou.jpg

 

[emb]

I like how, no matter which films are the favorite for every person, nobody dares to place Attack of the Clones higher that on 7th place, ha ha.

I actually like prequels but Episode II is so weak.

No clue how I'd rank them overall, but I'd probably put AotC over Phantom Menace. Not because I especially like II, more than I really don't like I. I guess it had Maul...

 

[PeskyToaster]

I went through the marathon and I noticed one thing about the OT compared to the prequels is that they have the same approximate running times but the OT movies are fast as fuck. They have great pacing with the exception of RoTJ. This movie seemed to follow that idea as well.

 

[Slaythe]

Really?

Really what ? You can't possibly be serious ? This is a photoshop cover.

He looks like that in real life :

You really want us to believe there wasn't a single actor as talented that didn't look closer to Ford ? Really ? Out of millions of actors ?

 

[Einchy]

I had heard that big spoilers got leaked a while ago.

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Star-Wars-7-Biggest-Spoiler-Yet-Just-Hit-Internet-69843.html

I guess the biggest one got leaked almost ten months ago. Thankfully those spoilers didn't get enough traction to the point where people were posting them around the internet to spoil people.

 

[140.85]

The execution of Anakin's backstory left to be desired. But it WAS convincing. It made a lot of sense. It might have had clunky writing and acting, but the fundamentals absolutely work. His fear of losing loved ones was played well with his mother, the fact that his transgression of the jedi code forced him to have only one ally, the chancellor, he turned into a mass murderer because he felt cornered. Palpatine played his anxiety well. Poor execution, obviously, but I still can relate to what happened and I think it was decent.

Kylo is literally a piss baby. Yes they can make anything out of him, in the future, with more info, but right now, he is a little whiny brat that killed his father and was "waiting a long time for this".

Vader had nothing to go back to, if he did things would be entirely different (and we know that with his interaction with Luke once he learns the truth).

Kylo had everything. Humanity, family, love, legacy, even power (as son of Leia). It's going to be pretty hard for them to make a 12 years old turning evil feel intense.

The fact that he was so torn in this movie also means that whichever motivation he had, was absolutely not solid conviction, which means it wasn't justified to be that evil in the first place.

The only thing they can do, is emphasize how Snoke got into his head and made him a puppet.

I disagree. I think Ren is executed really well so far.

He is the absolutely the perfect embodiment of one that goes to the Dark Side. Fearful, insecure, cowardly and desperate for easily attainable power to compensate for his weaknesses.

We don't know enough about the inciting event to make judgements regarding whether it justifies the decision he made at this point. And I disagree that he was very torn in this film. I think much of that was obvious manipulation on his part. And if anything, his ability to be honest with himself and see his weakness and be desperate to overcome it makes him potentially MORE dangerous and fanatical than Anakin. Vader sought power to cover up his insecurity, but he did so while denying the fact that he was doing it because he was weak.

 

[Meowster]

It was obvious Han was going to die the second he walked over to his son on that ominous and bleak walkway. What a great scene though. You knew what Kylo Ren was talking about, you knew what he was going to do, but you still had that hope that might just.. and then nope. It was a great conclusion to Han Solo as a character.

Spoiler

I still want to cry though

 

[The Flash]

Brick, a great neo-noir, and Looper, a very good time travel action movie. He's an excellent choice.

That's good. Never seen Looper but I heard it was really good.

How much is that baton stormtrooper going for?

 

[rrc1594]

OG SW is boring now

 

[Duane Cunningham]

The "helicopter shot" didn't bother me at all... we were all just on edge of our seat waiting to see Luke, and when he finally turned around it was awesome. A little piece of me was afraid she would get to the top and he would be Snoke or something.

 

[NumberThree]

They renamed it in the last season of The Clone Wars (which is canon) at Lucas' direction

Fuck George Lucas. Surely he was just taking the piss at that point?

 

[gutter_trash]

Yep. Perfect order. ROTJ is much better than ROTS.

Return of the Jedi is way more Epic than Force Awakens.

-Vader's character development gets deeper and deeper.
-the best space battle in any movie ever with Lando's assault on the 2nd Death Star
-Emotions get juiced up high in Luke's final dual with Vader
-The soundtrack is top notch.
-Ewoks were awesome
-more C3P0 and R2D2 interaction = always awesome
-Speeder Bikes!!!

 

[Kaibutsu]

My theater was hype. We had Darth Maul show up with a Darth Vader. People were yelling "Star Wars" before the movie even started. People were cheering during the opening, Han Solo showing up, Leia, Skywalker. People were practically whimpering when Solo died, and people started clapping and screaming when the movie ended. Then people started screaming for Jar Jar Binks to be after the credits.

OK, i was with you until the end... The theater staff should have locked the doors and let you guys fight to the death until only one emerged

 

[Slacker]

I love the Kylo Ren character. He wears the mask, not because he has too, but because he thinks it makes him look badass. He's insecure and angry. He likely felt overshadowed by his famous family and was easy pickings for Snoke to fill his head with stories about his grandfather's powers.

SO MUCH BETTER than the Anakin story. SO MUCH.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The execution of Anakin's backstory left to be desired. But it WAS convincing. It made a lot of sense. It might have had clunky writing and acting, but the fundamentals absolutely work. His fear of losing loved ones was played well with his mother, the fact that his transgression of the jedi code forced him to have only one ally, the chancellor, he turned into a mass murderer because he felt cornered. Palpatine played his anxiety well. Poor execution, obviously, but I still can relate to what happened and I think it was decent.

Kylo is literally a piss baby. Yes they can make anything out of him, in the future, with more info, but right now, he is a little whiny brat that killed his father and was "waiting a long time for this".

Vader had nothing to go back to, if he did things would be entirely different (and we know that with his interaction with Luke once he learns the truth).

Kylo had everything. Humanity, family, love, legacy, even power (as son of Leia). It's going to be pretty hard for them to make a 12 years old turning evil feel intense.

The fact that he was so torn in this movie also means that whichever motivation he had, was absolutely not solid conviction, which means it wasn't justified to be that evil in the first place.

The only thing they can do, is emphasize how Snoke got into his head and made him a puppet.

Couldn't agree more with this post. Kylo Ren was a bitch. Can't believe some people like him.

 

[diaspora]

The dark side of the force always struck me as something like Krokodil (dark side decay). Feels good until it fucks your shit up, by then it's generally too late to stop.

 

[Sephzilla]

The moment Han and Leia started dropping the "there's still good in him" stuff and teased Ren being pulled back to the light is when Han's death was telegraphed to me. There was no way they were going to have Ren also mirror Vader like that.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Really what ? You can't possibly be serious ? This is a photoshop cover.

He looks like that in real life :

He... has shitty facial hair and more freckles?

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

OK, i was with you until the end... The theater staff should have locked the doors and let you guys fight to the death until only one emerged

Was there a post credits scene? I hope not because that isn't Star Wars to me to do that Marvel shit.

 

[Inferno313]

So what has Rian Johnson done in the past?

Brick, a great neo-noir set in an american high school. It's a great, subversive take on the genre.

The Brothers Bloom, a fun and quirky con-man movie.

Looper, a terrific sci-fi time travel thriller that again subverts genre in incredibly satisfying ways.

He's also directed some of the most highly-regarded episodes of Breaking Bad.

He's gonna kill it with Episode VIII.

 

[labx]

And there are more books that aren't related to this that are also canon.

Yes according to Disney/SW canon is: the 6 movies. All the new movies. TV series like Rebels and Clone Wars and all the books that are related this series and movies.

Brick, a great neo-noir set in an american high school. It's a great, subversive take on the genre.

The Brothers Bloom, a fun and quirky con-man movie.

Looper, a terrific sci-fi time travel thriller that again subverts genre in incredibly satisfying ways.

He's also directed some of the most highly-regarded episodes of Breaking Bad.

He's gonna kill it with Episode VIII.

and Ozymandias the best episode in Breaking Bad

 

[takriel]

I love Adam Driver.

 

[Shuggananas]

Really what ? You can't possibly be serious ? This is a photoshop cover.

He looks like that in real life :

You really want us to believe there wasn't a single actor as talented that didn't look closer to Ford ? Really ? Out of millions of actors ?

kylo is han and leia's son, not a carbon copy of han

 

[shoplifter]

Well, Tarkin was the only one to do that. Imperial officers beyond that, like Admiral Piett, Ozell, even Moff Jerjerrod was somewhat scared of him (less scared than of the Emperor, of course)

Based on new canon, Tarkin knows who Vader is so it makes a little more sense.

 

[Shanks D Zoro]

No idea how anyone can rate TFA on the same level or above ANH

ANH changed how movies were made and how people viewed them.

TFA is just a weaker version of ANH.

 

[Dash_Riprock]

I like how, no matter which films are the favorite for every person, nobody dares to place Attack of the Clones higher that on 7th place, ha ha.

I actually like prequels but Episode II is so weak.

Some of of the flaws in TPM and RotS can be debated. AotC is one of the few movies I can think of that is indefensible, even by hardcore prequel defenders.

 

[DownGrader]

Was there a post credits scene? I hope not because that isn't Star Wars to me to do that Marvel shit.

No.

 

[Maybesew]

New Hope is great but nothing in ANH sniffs the greatness that is Vader vs Luke 2

When you consider that instead of Endor and stupid ewoks, it was supposed to be Kashykk and Wookies, ROTJ is a joke

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Really what ? You can't possibly be serious ? This is a photoshop cover.

You really want us to believe there wasn't a single actor as talented that didn't look closer to Ford ? Really ? Out of millions of actors ?

Yeah, that's the same dude, not sure why the photoshop issue even matters.

When he was cast, people were immediately speculating he was Han Solo's kid because of his resemblance to a young Harrison Ford. Is he a young Harrison Ford double? No, but there's a resemblance there. Not sure how you don't see it.

 

[phazedplasma]

Rian Johnson's fav movie of the last 10 years is Under the Skin.

Sp 8 is gonna be WERID

Can't wait

 

[Digital-Hero]

OG SW is boring now

ANH is hella boring and has been since I saw it in the 80s for the first time. I'm fine with Empire and ROTJ.

 

[NimbusD]

I thought that tentacle monster looked better than almost every single costume so yes I would rather have that.

Well then... to each their own! For whatever reason it's easier for me to accept costumes. Actors look directly at them, they move with real life physics and they always match the lighting of the scene because they're actually there.

 

[Gunslinger]

Current ranking

Episode v 10/10
Episode iv 10/10
Episode vi 8/10

Episode iii 7/10
Episode vii 5-6/10

Episode I 5/10
Episode ii 3/10

 

[jett]

Really what ? You can't possibly be serious ? This is a photoshop cover.

He looks like that in real life :

You really want us to believe there wasn't a single actor as talented that didn't look closer to Ford ? Really ? Out of millions of actors ?

At this rate I'm willing to believe it was on purpose so that nobody suspected he was Han Solo Jr. Just more Abrams shenanigans.

 

[JimJamJones]

5>>7=4>6>>>>>3>>>>>2>1

5 >>> 4 ≥ 7 > 6 >>>>> 3 >>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caravan of Courage > 2

 

[emb]

Honestly, anyone with half a brain should have been able to figure out that Harrison Ford is gettin' too old for this shit and wouldn't want to keep making Star Wars movies. His death could have been seen from a mile away.

I half expected all of the big 3 vets not to make it through this movie. Chewbacca and C3PO I figure won't die, since we can always put someone back in those suits. R2 might go down, since BB8 shows him up so bad.

 

[half a moon]

No idea how anyone can rate TFA on the same level or above ANH

ANH changed how movies were made and how people viewed them.

TFA is just a weaker version of ANH.

People not blinded by nostalgia will like TFA better than the OT.

 

[Sephzilla]

When you consider that instead of Endor and stupid ewoks, it was supposed to be Kashykk and Wookies, ROTJ is a joke

Kashykk and Wookies would have been stupid as hell though. Why would the Empire build the shield generator to the new Death Star on a planet full of 8 foot tall dangerous animals that could easily endanger their entire plan to trap the rebels? Instead they built it on a planet full of 3 foot tall teddy bears that they clearly underestimated them.

 

[Anton Sugar]

You really want us to believe there wasn't a single actor as talented that didn't look closer to Ford ? Really ? Out of millions of actors ?

Apparently not? Why the hell would they not choose someone else if he were just as talented AND looked more like Han? You think casting directors don't consider this?

It's clear they saw something in Driver, his talent, *and* how he interpreted the character. Paid off well for them, IMO.

 

[Inferno313]

Rian Johnson's fav movie of the last 10 years is Under the Skin.

Sp 8 is gonna be WERID

Can't wait

Hell of a choice. That movie is great.

 

[Blader]

Kylo Ren looks more like Anakin than anyone, but maybe it's the hair cut.

 

[pedrothelion]

Rian Johnson is good director, but he is an even better writer. Episode VIII will be probably have one the strongest scripts of the entire series.

 

[140.85]

Couldn't agree more with this post. Kylo Ren was a bitch. Can't believe some people like him.

I knew people were going to react this way. Just because he's not the traditional baddass, he's a bitch. He's a flawed character desperate to accomplish something. His weaknesses make him a stronger character and potentially more dangerous.