[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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There was a fat x-wing pilot, just like in ANH.
yes, Unkar Platt is the name I think
Sorcerer
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did I mention that Maz is the worst thing of the movie?
everything Maz said to Rey, Leia could have said it.
what is this shoe horned Antz CG character in a Star Wars movie?
I guess Maz is supposed to be Yoda, without being a force user.
TheChewyWaffles
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Saw it again this morning. That makes 2x. I can't help but think the entire Luke Skywalker reveal was totally underwhelming. And he looks stupid, to boot, standing there with his mouth open. My impression of Leia and the whole crew is that it's old people doing cosplay. Harrison Ford is closest to pulling it off, but it's still just not the same.
Finn overacts a lot.
That said, I loved the movie overall. Great start to the trilogy, but I hope that after exhausting most of the fanservice available to JJ Abrams for this film that they're able to still make 8 and 9 compelling without that benefit.
Finn overacts a lot.
That said, I loved the movie overall. Great start to the trilogy, but I hope that after exhausting most of the fanservice available to JJ Abrams for this film that they're able to still make 8 and 9 compelling without that benefit.
IXI FalcoN
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Saw it last night. Have mixed feelings.
My biggest gripe: it's essentially a remake of ANH.
Starts off with aRebellion Resistance higher up stashing top secret data in a droid. The droid is being searched for on Tatooine Jakku by the Empire First Order. Droid is discovered by the hero (likely a Skywalker), who lives in squalor on said desert planet. Escape desert planet on the MF. The Falcon is boarded. Turns out it's Han, who basically subs for Obi Wan as the mentor figure for the rest of the film. Later we meet up with the resistance, and plan to destroy the Death Star Starkiller planet in an almost shot for shot remake of the plot to destroy the original DS, complete with the Ackbar cherry on top. The gang infiltrates the base and Han is killed by his son, a wannabe Vadar, while the young heroes look on powerless to help, directly mirroring the way Vadar killed his own father figure.
Not to mention the various callbacks to other scenes in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ.
-Ren talking to Snoke (Vadar and Palpatine)
-Han sneaking around sabotaging the Starkiller (Obi Wan doing the same to Death Star)
-Rey force grabbing Luke's saber outa the snow (Luke in the Wompa cave)
-I'm your father moment
-Rey's mentor figure perishes, seeks out higher level mentor hiding on a desolate world (Yoda)
-Cantina scene redo in the bar
-And then a Dagobah cave redo in the basement of the bar
-General Hux is basically Tarkin
and probably many more that I'm forgetting.
Just felt like one big Deja Vu/nostalgia party. Most of the good parts of the film were throwbacks or "hey, it's Han & Chewie! Leia! 3PO!" moments.
I do think they set a good foundation for the rest of the trilogy. I was relieved that it felt like a film with genuine sets and not a bunch of actors talking to green screens. I really enjoyed Rey & Finn's characters. BB8 is hilarious, the film as a whole nailed most of the comedic moments. Kylo Ren has the potential to be the villian he aspires to be.
Also, my theater was awesome. Saw it in IMAX 3D and the audience was pumped. Cheered when LucasArts appeared, The Falcon, Han & Chewie, Leia, Ren getting his ass kicked. Some guy yelled "get him Chewie!" when he shot Ren after Han died. Just a fun theater experience, haven't gotten that in a long time.
Felt too samey on its own, but I think it's a good start considering the monstrous hype it had to overcome. Hopefully they got all the nostalgia feel-good moments out of the way in this first film with episodes 8 and 9 coming into their own.
My biggest gripe: it's essentially a remake of ANH.
Starts off with a
Not to mention the various callbacks to other scenes in ANH, ESB, and ROTJ.
-Ren talking to Snoke (Vadar and Palpatine)
-Han sneaking around sabotaging the Starkiller (Obi Wan doing the same to Death Star)
-Rey force grabbing Luke's saber outa the snow (Luke in the Wompa cave)
-I'm your father moment
-Rey's mentor figure perishes, seeks out higher level mentor hiding on a desolate world (Yoda)
-Cantina scene redo in the bar
-And then a Dagobah cave redo in the basement of the bar
-General Hux is basically Tarkin
and probably many more that I'm forgetting.
Just felt like one big Deja Vu/nostalgia party. Most of the good parts of the film were throwbacks or "hey, it's Han & Chewie! Leia! 3PO!" moments.
I do think they set a good foundation for the rest of the trilogy. I was relieved that it felt like a film with genuine sets and not a bunch of actors talking to green screens. I really enjoyed Rey & Finn's characters. BB8 is hilarious, the film as a whole nailed most of the comedic moments. Kylo Ren has the potential to be the villian he aspires to be.
Also, my theater was awesome. Saw it in IMAX 3D and the audience was pumped. Cheered when LucasArts appeared, The Falcon, Han & Chewie, Leia, Ren getting his ass kicked. Some guy yelled "get him Chewie!" when he shot Ren after Han died. Just a fun theater experience, haven't gotten that in a long time.
Felt too samey on its own, but I think it's a good start considering the monstrous hype it had to overcome. Hopefully they got all the nostalgia feel-good moments out of the way in this first film with episodes 8 and 9 coming into their own.
Lights and Waves
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Seeing it again tonight! Really excited to be able to more thoroughly process the film. I really loved it.
soundscream
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I think we can all agree, no mire planet killing lasers. How about a black hole machine? Anything but laser planets.
Kind of disagree with everyone on Rey being Luke's daughter. Her relationship with Han was so familiar - they were finishing each other's sentences, she intuitively knew the Falcon, her personality in general...
I think she's Han's daughter with Leia, who was pregnant with her when Rylo Ken went rogue. So he was completely unaware of her existence.
I think she's Han's daughter with Leia, who was pregnant with her when Rylo Ken went rogue. So he was completely unaware of her existence.
Dreams-Visions
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Loved it.
Some thoughts:
As soon as Han yelled out Ben! on the bridge, I knew he was dead.
Even tho there is a high probability of Rey being a Skywalker, I hope she's not. Having all the main players related really shrinks the whole universe down. Just have her be a random force sensitive person that brings about the return of the Jedi.
Also, I was thinking about how Rey would know to do a mind trick... Then I remembered that during that awesome interrogation scene Rey pushed Ren out of her head and actually pushed her way into his. Maybe she picked up some ideas while in there.
Great time and I finally feel the Star Wars series is back on track.
Some thoughts:
As soon as Han yelled out Ben! on the bridge, I knew he was dead.
Even tho there is a high probability of Rey being a Skywalker, I hope she's not. Having all the main players related really shrinks the whole universe down. Just have her be a random force sensitive person that brings about the return of the Jedi.
Also, I was thinking about how Rey would know to do a mind trick... Then I remembered that during that awesome interrogation scene Rey pushed Ren out of her head and actually pushed her way into his. Maybe she picked up some ideas while in there.
Great time and I finally feel the Star Wars series is back on track.
Maz is a way for them to tie back to the "old" legacy Star Wars without relying on any actual characters from back then. They killed off Han. Chewbacca is new. They don't want to rely on Leia to provide important legacy information in the new films, so they need someone else who can cross that divide. Luke and/or Leia may not make it past the next film for that same reason. They seem to want to start a NEW Star Wars story and not make it ceaselessly be tied to the OT.
A Serious Man
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Just people hatin' on Greg Grunberg.
ChaosZeroX
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Did anyone else think it was a little odd that Rey and Finn both went toe to toe with Kylo Ren?
Kylo was trained in how to control the force and most likely has lightsaber skills.
I know he still needs additional training, but he should be way above Rey and Finn. Yeah he beat Finn, not without Finn getting some hits in and then Rey completely beats him.
Kylo was trained in how to control the force and most likely has lightsaber skills.
I know he still needs additional training, but he should be way above Rey and Finn. Yeah he beat Finn, not without Finn getting some hits in and then Rey completely beats him.
Sectorseven
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It could have ended up at the bottom of that shaft, though it seems implied everything falling down there gets fired out those tubes.
Depending on how scientific we want to get, it would have been pulled towards the core of the planet. Even gas giants typically have a solid core, where it would have smashed on impact. Even if there was no surface, the gravitational force at the center should be much higher and likely strong enough to crush it. I'm not a scientist though.
She was wearing what looked like Pod racing goggles? I mean, kept thinking she could have fit in as an alien in the Episode 1 pod race.
VistraNorrez
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You are right Garindan was more important than Phasma.
But you are purposefully underselling Fett for some reason. He did what the Empire could not, find the Millennium Falcon. No other Bountey Hunter in ESB did that either. It was something that required intelligence too. He didn't just happen to spot the Falcon. He figured out that they might be trying to hide as trash and make their move when the Empire left that location. He also succeeded in leaving Bespin with Han Solo. He thwarted the good guys.
Bobby Roberts
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The only way this works is if Luke not only super-mind-tricked Rey, but Han & Leia, too.
Which would put Luke in a REAL weird place as a character. He's kind of in a weird place now. (and he's looking crazy, too)
i'm quite sure they will. The fan service was used as nostalgic 'lube' to get people into the new characters. Make the universe feel nostalgically 'Star Wars', put new characters there, the characters are now Star Wars characters.
It's like magnetizing your screw driver
i've watched the movie twice and i didn't have that impression whatsoever.
She could, sure. But it's nowhere as obvious / in-your-face / plain-to-see as some people call it.
I mean do we actually know that? Did the new canon ever explicitly say they were married? He could technically be Ben Organa?
BenjaminBirdie
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oh also
FUCKING MILES
YESSSSS
FUCKING MILES
YESSSSS
NumberThree
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To me it's the leadup to the "I am your father" line, with Luke and Vader playing hide & seek (and fighting). Especially the last part where Vader starts throwing shit around and breaks the window. Luke's just desperately trying to fight back and run away.
I felt a bit same way about the Rey/Kylo fight in this one, though Rey is obviously a much better match to Kylo than ESB Luke was to Vader. But she still just wants to get the fuck out of there at that point, she's not interested in killing Kylo.
They created Episode 1, 2 and 3 exactly for people like you. This one was for the fans of the OT, making Star Wars relevant again. Episode 8 and 9 will likely deviate much more from the formula (can't see them going with another Death Star), this one was just perfect though. A modernized ANH.
Vampirolol
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Just watched the Chris Stuckmann review. He's always so enthusiast of things, I do agree with him but I still think that leaning this much on IV kept the movie back, it can be better than that.
Well, Finn got bodied and Kylo still had to deal with the whole "getting shot by Chewie" thing.
Rey only compliments him after the escape and after that they got busy immediately with the millennium falcon ship problems and Han. No developmemt at all. I find it hard to believe Finn and Poe became bros just because Finn say its the right thing to do, they were too busy escaping the first order and immediately crash on Jakku which again no development.
LookAtMeGo
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My guess is he abandoned her after losing Kylo because he couldnt stand to lose her to the dark side, which is why he looked so upset that it was her that found him.
Digital-Hero
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That I do agree with, but they need to establish that they had a lost son of some sort during Han/Leia scenes. The whole loss of a son is kind of what separated them to begin with.
I think Leia was aware. Her fear of Rylo finding Rey outweighed her desire to be there in her life.
Alternatively, Rey was sent off to train with Luke (along with Rylo) - and Rylo spared her after killing all of the pupils. So Leia/Han thought she died. Also explains how she intuitively knew some force things - Jedi training starts at a super young age.
Dreams-Visions
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Yea that was a fantastic sequence too. Really all of the OT films (and this new one) have at least one really memorable sequence that everyone remembers them for.
Pretty much implied to some extent because of how Luke's saber reacts to her and Maz's little speech she gives Rey before she runs off into the forest. Though, there's theories that she was one of Luke's younglings before the Knights of Ren came in to wipe out the new Jedi and was sent into hiding.
soundscream
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Nah, he had daddy issues. I think if he was in a similar situation with mom he wouldn't do it.
Liquidsnake
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How do you think Ben got flipped?
Sectorseven
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They could have just referred to him as Ben and acted like he was dead. Sort of like how Obi-Wan tells Luke his father was murdered by Vader.
Sorcerer
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I'm thinking Rey was just dropped off at the academy because someone realized she was Force Sensitive. Maybe Luke took a shine to her because she particularly strong in the Force and spiritually adopts her.
eot
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If Luke fell into the sky basically, why wouldn't the lightsaber do the same?
I mean, they've said repeatedly that the main Star Wars saga is going to focus on Skywalkers, etc. The off-year movies are to expand the universe.
Grover Cleveland
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Really excited to see where Johnson takes Luke now.
It's not like he bailed for twenty years just waiting for someone to come get him so he can just immediately go back to kicking bad guy ass again.
He was mentally FUCKED up after what happened at the academy. A kid followed his training and then proceeded to slaughter countless innocents. That's not some shit that just chilling on an island, smoking hashish in a badass Jedi robe for two decades will cure automatically.
His outlook, his approach to other characters, his approach to the Force itself has probably been dramatically shifted.
It's not like he bailed for twenty years just waiting for someone to come get him so he can just immediately go back to kicking bad guy ass again.
He was mentally FUCKED up after what happened at the academy. A kid followed his training and then proceeded to slaughter countless innocents. That's not some shit that just chilling on an island, smoking hashish in a badass Jedi robe for two decades will cure automatically.
His outlook, his approach to other characters, his approach to the Force itself has probably been dramatically shifted.
Snoke told him about the cookies
Digital-Hero
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True, but isn't the mirroring what people are pouting about now? That would be more of that.
I'm fine with what you are saying though.
1) images/theming. She starts on Tatooine in a similar way. She pulls the lightsaber out of the snow just like Luke in ESB, etc.
2) A mysterious ability to suddenly be good at lightsabers and the force, as if it was supressed somehow and is now coming back
3) most telling is when the little cartoon dwarf told her something like [of the lightsaber] "his father had it, he had it, now you have it" after it called to her and showed her luke. This part did everything but say "You, Rey Skywalker, are Luke Skywalker's daughter".
4) the extremely heavy/loaded reaction of Luke to seeing Rey.
BronsonLee
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Rey is definitely connected to Luke in some way.. whether that be his flesh and blood, the child of one of his apprentice's, or even a youngling that survived, or some other obscure theory we haven't came up with that. I'm sure that no matter what we will get, it'll be just as satisfying as any of the others.
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I got the feeling that Rey and Luke recognised each other at the end of the movie. Both were teary eyed. Obviously Luke had something to do with her memory wipe. She's either related to him/Kenobi (English accent), or she's his most prized student he was intending to train, but had to leave for her safety.
luke fell, stopped and then some ventilation door opened up underneath him. Which then made him slide down some sort of fancy vent. The light saber might have rolled further down the wall / slope and dropped into an entirely different hole
edit: k, you guys, i'm off to my 3rd viewing. girlfriend's on work christmas party ... got some cookies and my plastic star wars cup from the premiere. What a time to be alive.
Next time around, i might as well just wear sweat pants....
Thought it was excellent. Third best movie for sure in the series and you could make an argument it's better than either ANH or Empire. It's fun, great action, good dialogue, well-paced and shot. Boyega, Ridley, and Ford all kill it and have great chemistry. This is Ford's best performance since Last Crusade.
My only real complaint was the pacing in the Han/Kylo Ren scene... thought they could have edited it a little bit so it didn't seem like everyone was stopping everything for that confrontation.
I was expecting it to be much less original than it was given the buzz and reviews and was pleasantly surprised it was just hitting the general notes. There's maybe 2-3 too many nods to the OT in terms of "hey look this is something from the first movie!" but that's a minor thing.
Was surprised they're leaving Rey's background a mystery. I think it'd be better if she isn't related to any of the Skywalkers at all, personally.
And anyone who thinks Williams didn't turn in a great score is crazy... Rey's theme is fantastic.
I was also glad some of the rumored stuff (i.e. Han showing up in a Star Destroyer, Luke's hand and lightsaber on a planet) ended up being bogus.
My only real complaint was the pacing in the Han/Kylo Ren scene... thought they could have edited it a little bit so it didn't seem like everyone was stopping everything for that confrontation.
I was expecting it to be much less original than it was given the buzz and reviews and was pleasantly surprised it was just hitting the general notes. There's maybe 2-3 too many nods to the OT in terms of "hey look this is something from the first movie!" but that's a minor thing.
Was surprised they're leaving Rey's background a mystery. I think it'd be better if she isn't related to any of the Skywalkers at all, personally.
And anyone who thinks Williams didn't turn in a great score is crazy... Rey's theme is fantastic.
I was also glad some of the rumored stuff (i.e. Han showing up in a Star Destroyer, Luke's hand and lightsaber on a planet) ended up being bogus.
QuantumZebra
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Yep I loved that little tidbit.
It showed how he wanted to be a tough dark side bad ass, but still was green and a newbie on the inside.
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