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Eh I liked how it was handled. Revealing it during the face off would be too similar to the Vader reveal
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Eh I liked how it was handled. Revealing it during the face off would be too similar to the Vader reveal
He still brought balance to the force tho!
Well, it could also be that he realized he was dealing with something worse and older than the Sith, hid is daughter for safety, and sought the first Jedi temple in order to research, train, and prepare for what was coming. But, yeah, let's just say he ran away
My point is, there is a ton we don't know - which is great! Makes me look forward to the next one.
OricWindstar
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He looked scared. He had decided that the Jedi were bad for the Galaxy, yet here comes this girl, maybe even his own daughter, telling him he's wrong.
I don't agree with you. It's one of the big question you're left with ; who are the people that left her on Tatooine? Why is Luke so important for her? etc...
That's good, and I like the fact that you think it implies stuff, but it's never told.
We didn't, but you can make that assumption by the teary eyes at the end.
Or they could be teary eyed for other reasons.
How? She wasn't born until the end of the 3rd?
Notice how he didn't have his red arm at the end. That was the (MGSV spoiler)
REAL C3p0, not the
menace.
umm.. yeah, she knew him ALL through the PT..
Liquidsnake
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You have allowed this dark lord to twist your mind, until now, until now you've become the very thing you swore to destroy.
NumberThree
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Yeah it's pretty interesting to see the light side being considered something you're seduced by. Light side is always something you need to be strong for (according to the Jedi), with weakness of the will leading to the dark side.
Count Dookkake
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After Kylo went nuts and presumably killed all the other kids at Jedi school, Luke decided that he was such a bad influence on students that he did not even trust himself to raise his own daughter, and so abandoned her on Jakku. Luke will only train Rey if the force shows that it wants him to, by bringing her to him.
I just realized this through this discussion - the Stormtrooper creation process described in the film is a total parallel to the OG Jedi training methods.
Take a kid from their home. Indoctrinate them. Have an army of soldiers, some of whom turn out wrong.
This is where Rey comes in - in the span between the movies Luke likely goes back to the old school methods (Rey's been taken from home to train with him) and it falls apart yet again when Kylo goes bad. Rey has the memories supressed for her safety. (Rey is essentially Olivia from Fringe, actually.)
The lesson to Luke and the others: stop training the damn kids. Maybe they'll learn this time?
Take a kid from their home. Indoctrinate them. Have an army of soldiers, some of whom turn out wrong.
This is where Rey comes in - in the span between the movies Luke likely goes back to the old school methods (Rey's been taken from home to train with him) and it falls apart yet again when Kylo goes bad. Rey has the memories supressed for her safety. (Rey is essentially Olivia from Fringe, actually.)
The lesson to Luke and the others: stop training the damn kids. Maybe they'll learn this time?
True, which is why I think they avoided it. But I still was a little "eh" how it was just kinda said by snoke.
Wrong person. Leia is born at the end of RotS. ButObi is the person who gets her out safe and gives her to the Organa family.
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Reminds me of Evil Han in the first poster they released. Now I see where that might fit in.
Sectorseven
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One little thing I noticed was Rey asked for a wrench, while in ESB, Han asked for a spanner. Isn't "spanner" the British term? Just thought that was interesting, considering their accents are reversed.
I don't have the exact quote, but didn't the dwarf cartoon woman say "this lightsaber was luke's father's, then lukes, now it calls to you" or something? I mean, isn't that one part pretty blatant on its own?
And then there's film maker stuff. For example, she pulled the lightsaber out of the snow like Luke on Hoth. This is a film maker communicating something. They don't do that randomly. It's not random. So -- What are they communicating?
But, anyway, as I keep saying, even if all this other innuendo and theming doesn't convince you, how do you explain Luke's loaded stare at the end? He recognizes her.
Snoke isn't that big, he was just projected that way by the holo.
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Yes.
Ragnorok64
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On the wound pounding thing. In the EU Han and Leia's son that falls to the dark side, has an affinity for drawing strength from pain. Kylo Ren/Ben Soli seems to take a lot if queues from Jacen Solo so it may be a way of him drawing power from the dark side.
bananafactory
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I didn't like how he explicitly had to say "Your father, Han Solo". The name drop was unnecessary.
Simply saying "it's now in the possession of your father" would have sufficed because we know that Finn is obviously not his dad - literally everyone could have still concluded that it was Han.
Yes, I think it's heavily implied, but if it turns out that she is NOT his daughter, I wouldn't be surprised either.
It could just be luke passing the torch to an apprentice. Doesn't HAVE to be his daughter.
For all we know, they threw that stuff in there so that fanboys would speculate and believe it only to have it not be true, to have it be some part of some reveal in episode 8. *shrug*
Forsaken82
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It was done early to add drama between Han and Leia later. You remove the reveal, and none of their dialogue with each other means anything. Hell, you literally don't even need Han and Leia to interact if at that point you don't even know Ren's lineage because thats literally all they talked about... They separated BECAUSE of Ben's fall to the darkside. To have them reunited and interacting without the drama would have felt silly and forced in my opinion.
Ignatz Mouse
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Old Jedi are the Mope Kings of the Galaxy.
Can we talk about one thing here .
The first time sure I get it.
The second time, ok now we've learned.
By the time you build a third world destroying weapon , can we build it without having the entire thing blow up from one section getting destroyed.
That's just bad engineering.
The first time sure I get it.
The second time, ok now we've learned.
By the time you build a third world destroying weapon , can we build it without having the entire thing blow up from one section getting destroyed.
That's just bad engineering.
i can't tell if this is serious. han solo realizes what will happen, but he loves his son unconditionally. han shooting ben would have cheapened han solo's resolve to try and save his son in that scene.
Groaned? Not sure what they were expecting. What else would they do if they need to stop the weapon? Just wing it? Gotta find a weak point. Han even jokes about there usually being a way to blow these things up.
Yeah... I think it's pretty obvious that Rey is Luke's daughter. The entire movie she parallel's Luke, and they really focus on the whole "this was lukes father's saber, then lukes, now it calls to you" bit.
bananafactory
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I don't think the film ever truly implies Rey is Luke's daughter. Theres certainly some things that could hint at that but I saw nothing that was definitive.
ironically... while I have loved Star Wars from the moment my 3 year old self saw it in '78..
this movie will remain WAY more watchable than ANH in the long run. TFA is better paced. ANH will always be historic and is certainly a good watch.. but in my view it's claim to fame in ranking has always been "it didn't have Ewoks, Endor, or Jabba's palace". Aka there was less annoying about it than ROTJ.
You know.. I've had a hard time placing TFA.. either above or below ANH.. but as I type this it really has become clear to me. ANH will always be the more historically significant of the two, both in cinema and to my 3-8 year old self.. but honestly I can't see how TFA won't be more watchable of the two as time goes on.
The entire film is filled with fanservice callback moments like that- the second half of the film is essentially a copy/paste of the 3rd act of Episode 4.
The groans are for that being the point at which the movie stops echoing Ep4 and instead starts blatantly copying it.
TFA's first half is great, pacing goes wrong on the second half, like there was a lot of breathing room cut for time.
Glass Shark
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WOW. Wow wow wow.
Even going into the movie knowing all the major story beats, I was in awe. Loved it.
It's funny, I went into the movie based on leaks and spoilers thinking that it would be obvious that Rey was Luke's daughter. But coming out of the movie I feel the opposite. It seems pretty clear to me now that she isn't related to Luke at all, but I'm sure her parentage is going to have some importance.
Also, weird question, but I have to ask... did they digitally alter Carrie Fisher's face to make her look more like young Leia? There were a few scenes that it seemed like something strange was going on, most noticeably her last scene with Han.
Even going into the movie knowing all the major story beats, I was in awe. Loved it.
It's funny, I went into the movie based on leaks and spoilers thinking that it would be obvious that Rey was Luke's daughter. But coming out of the movie I feel the opposite. It seems pretty clear to me now that she isn't related to Luke at all, but I'm sure her parentage is going to have some importance.
Also, weird question, but I have to ask... did they digitally alter Carrie Fisher's face to make her look more like young Leia? There were a few scenes that it seemed like something strange was going on, most noticeably her last scene with Han.
orthodoxy1095
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It sure didn't do anything to establish the First Order as a threat to me. It's a worn out thing now.
Good film, not necessarily great. Not my favorite Star Wars.
LOTS of symbolic type shots.
I really liked how they handled the dual protagonists, and I thought the characters have a good enough backstory to fill in, although Rey's is obvious.
But...the "Starkiller" being destroyed into the sun it just absorbed was bit...eh...
LOTS of symbolic type shots.
I really liked how they handled the dual protagonists, and I thought the characters have a good enough backstory to fill in, although Rey's is obvious.
But...the "Starkiller" being destroyed into the sun it just absorbed was bit...eh...
Good point! I like banana's suggestion in that the dialogue just be altered a bit in that scene with snoke.
captainpat
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I guess, but if he felt guilty about you'd think he'd do something other than run away.
Digital-Hero
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Exactly, it doesn't mean there is family relation but a force relation as in she is force sensitive. The movie title says it all, "The Force Awakens" and we found out the people it did.
That's great. I really loved Kylo Ren. So great.
I guess it comes down to Han the Father vs Han the Scoundrel. I wish we had gotten a little more tension along that front.
Dreams-Visions
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I don't think Luke has ever been in a position to feel responsible for the deaths of dozens of people close to him. Hard to state how he should or shouldn't have reacted. He was clearly crushed and undoubtedly inconsolable. The Force doesn't take away pain or guilt and every man responds differently. There is no guide to grief.
OldGangWarily
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I took a bathroom break when I assume they first called Starkiller base by name...so when I walked into this thread, I was thinking "Why is everybody talking about the guy from Force Unleashed all of a sudden?"
MisterHero
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Can you even have more than one power source for a planet-sized super weapon?
Just hit it in the power source!
"Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you're my only hope..."
So what if she never really met him, he was an important figure to her adopted family and was a close figure to Luke. How come people find it so difficult to fill in the obvious blanks these days?
To be fair, they really did shield it a lot better, no one was able to steal plans for this one, and it was only because they had a defective stormtrooper with knowledge of the facility. And, the plan didn't work this time. Han was on the ground and improvised, which provided Poe his chance ... At least each time the bad guys are getting better
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