[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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I have always wondered what the hell was that glowing thing presented to Boss Nass.
In my headcannon, this is actually a bomb like ones used in the Battle of Naboo. In the alternative universe, Boss Nass drops it and kills everybody, rendering Episode II and onward moot.
 
Not a ways to go - kid just needs to learn control and he's there. He seems like he is more powerful than Vader but his inner turmoil prevents him from really progressing.

His level of hatred is grossly displayed far more prominently than Vader's when he gets pissed. Every swing he makes with his saber has an element of straight up murderer behind it. Vader didn't fight that way in any of the 3 films. That could just be the choreography but Kylo seems more evil, at this point. Vader couldn't being himself to kill his own blood but Kylo straight up went with deceit to kill Han.

I think Kylo has the potential to be far worse. He is just very rough where it counts but I think killing his father helped release some of that weight like "fuck it, its done. Can't go back" kinda attitude.

Well, I mean Obi-Wan wasn't Vader's blood father but he was definitely the closest thing he had to a dad and Vader killed him without even hesitating (while Obi-Wan was defenseless too!).

I don't think Vader was even allowed to kill Luke was he? The Emperor wanted him alive.
 
One reference that they COMPLETELY missed out on that would have been perfect:

When Han dies and Leia gets the wind knocked out of her, they should have had 3PO ask her what's wrong, and she should have responded "I sense a disturbance in the force."
I think that would've overdone it. I think she should've nearly collapsed though or at least have the people behind her rush to her aid. They just stood there like, "Is she okay? Does she need her meds?"
 
Before getting to more of the positive stuff one and two things I thought were off. So the First Order destroyed a few planets of the Republic and probably a planet with a big, flourishing advanced society like it was nothing or did I miss something?

Does the Republic suck or something? Don't they have defenses?

The Republic when reestablished restores itself to the Pre-Palpatine days where there was no official Republic Military. System defense was left to the individual systems while there was a small token Police force style fleet.

The New Republic has no desire to go to war again so Leia and elements within the Republic form the resistance. Destroying the Republic was viewed as the way to cut off the resistance's secret funding etc.

The State of the Galaxy was literally the SWTOR MMO. Republic and Empire at "peace" while elements on both sides do skirmishes unofficially and plot against each other.
 
Vader couldn't being himself to kill his own blood but Kylo straight up went with deceit to kill Han.

What ? No. He could have instantly one shot him. There was no deceit.

Originally it's what he did. He had no reason to lie, it's not like solo could harm him or could run away.
 
Come on, we all know the Stormtroopers were pulling this shit off-screen in the OT.



You don't think his parents having a rocky relationship and dumping him with his space monk uncle because they think he'll turn evil like his grandpa is enough to screw a kid up? Especially when the only things he seems to know about his grandpa are about how bad he was going out of his way to try to be.

His only motivations are to be "powerful" which is vaguely defined. With Vader we knew he wanted to kill the emperor and rule. He had political aspirations. Anakin, as poorly, executed as it was, was driven by saving his family.

It just seemed to me he had no reason to be so sinister and to resist the light side. He resisted it to be more powerful. More powerful to do what?
 
I dont really like this whole "Rey is the new Luke" "Finn is the new..." sort of thinking

We havent seen a villain like Kylo before, or a character like Finn or Rey, they share some similarities and traits but they are not carbon copies, Poe is a little bit similar to Han but thats only because he had very limited screen time, so less of an arc.
 
Well, I mean Obi-Wan wasn't Vader's blood father but he was definitely the closest thing he had to a dad and Vader killed him without even hesitating (while Obi-Wan was defenseless too!).

I don't think Vader was even allowed to kill Luke was he? The Emperor wanted him alive.
Neither Vader nor Luke could bring themselves to kill each other.

Its also Sith tradition to kill your master, which is probably partly why Vader killed Obi-Wan. Not being blood takes that edge off.
 
He had about 3 lines.

But they all signed a multi parts contracts anyway so they were talking about future movies too.

Also, Kylo is getting a redemption storyline. They didn't alter the murder scene for nothing. Went from cold blooded murderer to lost boy torn apart making a bad choice.
I disagree. He was torn apart, but then he gathered the strength to do what he had to do. Which was remove the things that were calling him back to the light. Deceiving Han to lure him into a sense of security before killing him
 
Kylo Ren was exactly what I wanted prequel trilogy anakin to be.

Exactly. When he took the helmet off, I was immediately reminded of Anakin, and not in a negative "oh man I'm reminded of the prequels" way but a more "this is the Anakin that should have been" way. I wonder if they purposefully had him sort of resemble RotS Anakin or if it's just a fitting coincidence.
 
Enjoyed the film quite a bit, as well as my friends. Sure, it's not as good as Empire, but who the hell was expecting that? After the last shot, I was just excited to say that Star Wars was back! I did have a friend who was laughing at everyone else geeking out because he couldn't relate. He has only seen IV and V, and apparently that was years ago.

That Luke shot left much to be desired, but in a good way! Really hyped for VIII.

And I also recognize that the film wasn't perfect, JJ could have toned down the nostalgia a bit, though I can't lie at each moment I screamed happily inside. I did feel a little exacerbated towards the end though with all the references. I suppose that many would be irritated towards the "safe" approach the film took. I find this ok, however. It provides much needed footing for a new epic trilogy.

For what I expect in VIII: I feel that Kylo Ren will find himself back in the light. When he killed Papa Solo, at that time I thought that event solidified his immersion to the dark side. But Leia is still alive, would he be able to kill her?
 
It's hilarious to me (and kind of great) that the really source of tension during the finale was wondering whether or not Kylo was going to die. Everyone else had plot-armour, but I remember reading or hearing that Driver wasn't cast for additional movies, so I preemptively bummed given how much I liked that character.
They didn't alter the murder scene for nothing.

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One reference that they COMPLETELY missed out on that would have been perfect:

When Han dies and Leia gets the wind knocked out of her, they should have had 3PO ask her what's wrong, and she should have responded "I sense a disturbance in the force."

She's never fully adopted the force, for her to say that would be completely out of character. (inb4someonebringsupEU)
 
His only motivations are to be "powerful" which is vaguely defined. With Vader we knew he wanted to kill the emperor and rule. He had political aspirations. Anakin, as poorly, executed as it was, was driven by saving his family.

It just seemed to me he had no reason to be so sinister and to resist the light side. He resisted it to be more powerful. More powerful to do what?

I'll quote myself from earlier:

I think we got a lot more insight into Kylo's fall than most people realize at first glance. I think Finn and Rey are supposed to be obvious foils to Kylo, and Anakin's fall a prototype for Kylo's fall.

Anakin has a great destiny thrust upon him by the Jedi, who believe him to be the Chosen One and are trying to train him to achieve their expected outcome of the prophecy. Though he eagerly accepts Jedi training, we see that his priorities do not necessarily align with the Jedi: he wants to come back to free his mother (and earlier he expresses the expectation that Qui-Gon would free all the slaves). Once Anakin decides his alignment with the Jedi constrains his own personal agenda - both his desire to save the people he loves and his belief that justice can brought to the galaxy by "someone wise" who will enforce peace - he turns on them.

Likewise, Kylo is conscripted into Luke's Jedi school, also presumably not by choice, and probably not with a clear agreement on the agenda that underlies his training (to keep him on the path of good, which would naturally be against his impulses if Han & Leia were worried there was too much of Vader in him). This makes him very susceptible to being seduced by outside influences that purport to give him greater agency: like Snoke. Since he has no real control over the direction his life is going based on the circumstances of his training, he's able to be persuaded to turn against his teacher, as well as the far-from-perfect family that sent him there, to take control of his own destiny.

Finn goes through a similar character arc, but in the opposite direction. He's conscripted into the First Order from birth, and eventually comes to realize that what he's fighting for isn't right. He makes the choice to leave - the first time he's ever able to exercise a real sense of self. He is symbolically named by Poe at the same time to show that he is no longer just a number, but a complete human being.

And Rey faces the exact opposite circumstances that Kylo does. She isn't forced into Jedi training; she's left to her own devices and makes a conscious decision on her own to take up the lightsaber and let the Force guide her. Thus, she's put in a position of total agency about her affiliation with the Force. In the end, her journey to Luke represents her acceptance of the Force and the path of the Jedi - a path that she chose for herself.

We obviously don't know what Kylo's exact breaking point was, but I think the film did a good job of laying down breadcrumbs that point at the general setup.
 
Not a ways to go - kid just needs to learn control and he's there. He seems like he is more powerful than Vader but his inner turmoil prevents him from really progressing.

His level of hatred is grossly displayed far more prominently than Vader's when he gets pissed. Every swing he makes with his saber has an element of straight up murderer behind it. Vader didn't fight that way in any of the 3 films. That could just be the choreography but Kylo seems more evil, at this point. Vader couldn't being himself to kill his own blood but Kylo straight up went with deceit to kill Han.

I think Kylo has the potential to be far worse. He is just very rough where it counts but I think killing his father helped release some of that weight like "fuck it, its done. Can't go back" kinda attitude.
All good points. And I agree that Kylo has potential to be worse.. but whats worse? Killing your astranged father or a room full of innocent children?
 
Star Killer base....

Arrive.

Blow it up.

Leave.

I really really hated that. When they launched the weapon I thought 'holy ****, this is going to take 3 movies worth to bring down'.

Instead they plan a mission in 2 mins, instantly arrive at the planet and then it gets taken down by a bunch of random fighters, causing the entire planet to blow up.

They built it up to be Brock Lesnar and then took it down like it was Crash Holly and that really really sucked.

The first Death Star had a huge mission just to get the plans and was only taken down by a million to one shot by Luke Skywalker, the only guy in the rebellion that could possibly have pulled it off.

The second Death Star had a shield that required deactivating and needed almost the entire rebel fleet to launch an attack on it.

Star Killer base though went down like an absolute bitch.
 
i remember when the poster first showed up and the Starkiller base was on it and I thought "man, if its just Death Star 3.0 and they blow it up in like 10 minutes that will be dumb"

well..
 
Star Killer base....

Arrive.

Blow it up.

Leave.

I really really hated that. When they launched the weapon I thought 'holy ****, this is going to take 3 movies worth to bring down'.

Instead they plan a mission in 2 mins, instantly arrive at the planet and then it gets taken down by a bunch of random fighters, causing the entire planet to blow up.

They built it up to be Brock Lesnar and then took it down like it was Crash Holly and that really really sucked.

The first Death Star had a huge mission just to get the plans and was only taken down by a million to one shot by Luke Skywalker, the only guy in the rebellion that could possibly have pulled it off.

The second Death Star had a shield that required deactivating and needed almost the entire rebel fleet to launch an attack on it.

Star Killer base though went down like an absolute bitch.
Yeah that whole sequence was badly put together and pacing for that was really bad imo.
 
I really liked the movie. Can't say I liked it more than any of the OG movies, because it can never have the kind of nostalgic feeling those create, but it was way better in every way than the last three movies.

Favorite parts,

Chewie going ham when Han dies.

The fight between Kylo and Rey at the end. It was a really cool fight scene IMO.

R2 coming back at the end was awesome.

I really can't wait to see wait they do with Ep. VIII. Rey seems like an awesome character and I liked Finn and Poe as well. I hope Chewie sticks around through all of the them just to keep a little OG Star Wars in it. I really wanna know more about Snoke(right name?) and see what Luke does in the next one.

To me it's pretty clear Rey has some connection to Luke. Probably his daughter I would guess.

You did good Disney. You didn't mess this up.
 
Star Killer base....

Arrive.

Blow it up.

Leave.

I really really hated that. When they launched the weapon I thought 'holy ****, this is going to take 3 movies worth to bring down'.

Instead they plan a mission in 2 mins, instantly arrive at the planet and then it gets taken down by a bunch of random fighters, causing the entire planet to blow up.

They built it up to be Brock Lesnar and then took it down like it was Crash Holly and that really really sucked.

The first Death Star had a huge mission just to get the plans and was only taken down by a million to one shot by Luke Skywalker, the only guy in the rebellion that could possibly have pulled it off.

The second Death Star had a shield that required deactivating and needed almost the entire rebel fleet to launch an attack on it.

Star Killer base though went down like an absolute bitch.

The New Order isn't as strong or wealthy as the Empire was.
 
What ? No. He could have instantly one shot him. There was no deceit.

Originally it's what he did. He had no reason to lie, it's not like solo could harm him or could run away.
I think Kylo is evil enough he wanted to stare in his eyes when he died. Its symbolic. Definitely would not have had the same effect had he just force pushed him off the catwalk or zipped by Han and sliced him in two.

He was supposed to kill Han. That's part of his training to become a Sith. I feel it needed to be more intimate and emotional. So he created a false sense of safety. Kid was definitely confused but he knew what he was going to do long before he did it. Killing Han wasn't impulse. The setup became an opportunity for exploit.
 
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