[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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Lifejumper said:
Man luke looked broken at the end.
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As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
 
Brakke said:
Also wtf Deus Ex D2? Why did she waked up? Did someone tell her Rey is a Cool Babe who should meet Luke?



That whole section was p pointless.
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Common theory is he shut down when Luke left on orders not to reactivate until another force sensitive person came around seeing he did not wake up until Rey showed up at the resistance base.
 
LookAtMeGo said:
Not sure if its been brought up much but is anyone else disappointed in those guys from The Raid 2 not getting to whoop some ass and just get gobbled by that CG monster? I thought those guys were guna be the Knights of Ren or something and fuck shit up.
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Feels like it was cut, I got hype as fuck when I saw Mad Dog and Rama but then nothing :(
 
LookAtMeGo said:
Not sure if its been brought up much but is anyone else disappointed in those guys from The Raid 2 not getting to whoop some ass and just get gobbled by that CG monster? I thought those guys were guna be the Knights of Ren or something and fuck shit up.
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Pretty sure they're doing multiple stunt-related roles. I assumed that the riot-baton stormtrooper was one of them.
 
Sorcerer said:
I wonder if perhaps the plan is kill off one OT character per movie. Kind of as a way to pass the torch.

My guess Leia in 8. This could give us our tragic Empire ending.

Luke in 9. This could give us a Heroic self sacrifice or Yoda type of Death.

Maybe Han's Death is just part of a master plan.
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This pretty much have to , they can't play those roles forever
Luke the god must die unfortunately :(

Just don't kill chewie, he can't die

Disney will want an episode 10/11/12 in like 10 or so years
$$$$$$
 
jett said:
After watching the movie, and giving the soundtrack a quick listen now, this is easily the worst Star Wars score from John Williams. The man really doesn't have it anymore. 2005 was his last great year. It feels fresh out of ideas, just like the movie the soundtrack belongs to.


Episode 3's soundtrack was on a completely different level to this, and didn't resort to constantly reusing old themes. At some point that just felt like too much here, and deeply unearned.

People hated on me when I said the man was over the hill some months ago, but man at this rate I kinda believe even Giachinno's hypothetical arrangements of the old themes probably would've had more creativity in them. Hell, I liked the one in the trailer better than any of the ones in the movie. I guess fanboy backlash and tradition is more important.
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Yeah this soundtrack is very weak and probably Williams one of the more not so memorable work.
 
Cheebo said:
Was I the only one who found it odd how casually Rey understood both astromech speak and Wookiee speak?
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I'm calling it now: Rey is a robot--err, DROID, which is why she can understand droids and wookies and is good with machines. >_>

That little girl yelling at the shuttle in the vision is just a red herring. <_<
 
Violet_0 said:
and is a master pilot and mechanic* despite never leaving the planet, expert marksman despite seemingly never having fired a gun before, already reasonably good at using the force despite just having learned about it and not knowing how it works or how to do the mind control trick, already beat someone in a light saber duel on the first try who possibly had decades of training (but was wounded, granted). She's super Marry Sue at the moment, but I guess we'll get an explanation for her incredible talent in everything she does at some point

*she might have picked up a thing or two from scavenging, okay, but she's got a lot of intuitive knowledge about all sorts of different ship types
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It's almost like force sensitive individuals have a knack for piloting.

That's like, the entire point of the existence of podracing. It was a vehicle for showing that anakin was force sensitive and an exceptional pilot, just like Obi wan said he was in ANH.
 
Lionel Mandrake said:
Pretty sure they're doing multiple stunt-related roles. I assumed that the riot-baton stormtrooper was one of them.
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Ahh ok. Good to know. That would make sense. So there is still a chance they could play some of the knights then... cool.

I still felt disappointed when I saw them I was like OH SHIT YEAH!. Then nothing.
 
Slackbladder said:
As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
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I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic here, heh.

Lionel Mandrake said:
Pretty sure they're doing multiple stunt-related roles. I assumed that the riot-baton stormtrooper was one of them.
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I figured they brought them in for choreograph duties and their appearance was just a nice nod.
 
Oozer3993 said:
It's almost inevitable that in either VIII or IX there will be a fight between Kylo and Luke where Luke reveals that Vader turned back to the light before his death. Cue temper tantrum.
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It would make no sense that Kylo wouldn't already know that, unless Kylo found out about Vader only after turning to the dark side and was lied to about his fate.

One would think Luke would have told him he turned to the light side, and Snookie told him it's not true.
 
Slackbladder said:
As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
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That's because they are.

edit: beaten like kylo
 
Soundtrack may not be the greatest in the series but I can definitely see Rey's Theme becoming an iconic source of music, especially if it is referenced in the next two movies.
 
jett said:
After watching the movie, and giving the soundtrack a quick listen now, this is easily the worst Star Wars score from John Williams. The man really doesn't have it anymore. 2005 was his last great year. It feels fresh out of ideas, just like the movie the soundtrack belongs to.


Episode 3's soundtrack was on a completely different level to this, and didn't resort to constantly reusing old themes. At some point that just felt like too much here, and deeply unearned.

People hated on me when I said the man was over the hill some months ago, but man at this rate I kinda believe even Giachinno's hypothetical arrangements of the old themes probably would've had more creativity in them. Hell, I liked the one in the trailer better than any of the ones in the movie. I guess fanboy backlash and tradition is more important.
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I... Actually agree? He crushed the ROTS score
 
Slackbladder said:
As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
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One one hand you're given moral ambiguity and characters acting in greys and complain about it, on the other hand you complaining that it's too simplistic... don't get this at all lol.

You're fine to like it or hate it, it's your opinion...
 
Slackbladder said:
As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
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I feel like the overarching theme here is redemption and good, not "justice". Vader obviously did some absolutely reprehensible things, but I don't think it's for me to say what the consequences of those actions should be. Additionally, it's not made clear what would have happened to Vader or Kylo if they came back to the light. I always assumed it would have been more of a "thanks for doing the right thing dad, but it's time to face trial " and not just these individuals returning to normal life and hanging out with Luke/Leia/Han.
 
Slackbladder said:
As he should. He failed miserably. Took it upon himself to train others to be Jedi and fucks it up.
This also reminds me of one of the things that I really don't like about the central story of Luke and Vader, his father. Luke was being a selfish git when trying to get Vader to be all nice again. Fuck him. How many had he killed? How much terror had Vader sown throughout the galaxy? And his son, who never actually knew him, wants him to be daddy.
Same in The Force Awakens. Leia wants her son back. But he is a killer (and almost certainly killed children like Anakin did) and all she wants is to have him back?
There is no sense of justice in these films. No sense of right or wrong except in the wide strokes of good vs evil. There's no morality in this cenrtral theme. It's so bloody simplistic you'd think the films were made for children.
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It was Anakin's Destiny to bring Balance to the Force, to destroy the Emperor. The Force used him to accomplish it's goal and he was redeemed. Sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture.The Emperors rule would have been tragic.
Vader is on kids cereal boxes, witch is somewhat ironic.
 
Brakke said:
Who always the "old ally" at the beginning?

How the fuck did that planet gun reload? It ate a sun, killed the Republic, then... how'd it get a new sun? That thing was dumb.

I don't get the relationship between Empire and Order not between Republic and Resitance.
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Starkiller base seemingly can move. It's the only way the weapon can work more than once. The Death Star(s) had hyperdrives as well.
 
I really liked Han and Leia's relationship. Seemed really, you know, grown up. Clearly things are complicated between them, and neither of them was some bitter spurned lover, you know? I was worried Han had deserted her leaving her pining but it wasn't like that.

How good was BB8's thumbs up oh man. When people talk about spoilers, they always get it wrong. Learning that Han dies isn't a problem. The good and delightful surprises are little things like that.
 
Just got back. Still have my emotions on tilt. I had a feeling Han's death was coming. But, man. It feels like losing a family member. I loved Han Solo. Playing Han and Leia's Love Theme from Empire just gutted me :(

Anyway here is my Rey theory (which is most likely so wrong, but would be unexpected). Rey is from some Sith Bloodline. Be it Palpatine, Dooku, or whoever (Vader's mistress). Leia or Luke, or whoever else succeed in turning Kylo Ren over to the Light just in time for him and Rey to dual it out against Supreme Leader Snoke.
 
Max Armstrong said:
Was it a reference to Bad Robot's logo?

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I thought it was supposed to be one of these.

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Poe and Finn in the TIE fighter was great. Escaping the Jakku town was great. Finn and Rey in the Falcon was great.

The parts I found most enjoyable had banter. Without it this was dry as hell to me. I don't think I like the new characters that much outside of them being funny. When its funny its great, when its not, eeehhhhhh.

-I checked out on Rey's character when they got to Maz's place. That was around the time she stopped having the funny banter with Finn.
-Poe's not in the movie enough to really judge him. He's funny and cartoonishly accurate.
-Finn is the best because he kept the jokes coming. Also he's the only one of the new bunch that didn't feel like he was playing the game with cheat codes.
-Rey has max attributes in everything apparently.
-Kylo Ren is extremely powerful and extremely bitch made. No redemption arc please. The bastard killed a legend.
-Han's death: smoke signaled, not telegraphed.
-Harrison's acting: good
-Fisher: bleh
-The Raid guys are here! The Raid guys are dead.
-Captain Phasma.......moving right along
-Hux: should have grown a Hilter stash during his speech just to make sure we knew they were space Nazis.
-Man of Steel eat your heart out. That's 6 planets worth of death in one movie bitch.
-Lightsaber fights didn't do anything for me.
-lightsaber in the snow. I don't give a damn if it made sense of not it should have been Luke who pulled it out of the snow. Someone in the theater actually let out single loud clap because they thought it was Luke finally showing up
-Rey taking a meditation break in the middle of a fight.
-Kylo letting Rey take a meditation break in the middle of a fight. Sweep the leg, do your force sleep thing, anything kid just don't stand there and wait!
-Snoke is the Edmond Tarverdyan of Sith trainers.
-Luke, say something god dammit
-Helicopter cam. Awful. Should have gone all the way and ended with the credits rolling while the camera panned around them before fading to black like an 80s movie.
-John Williams: Post-prime flabby and sick. All the memorable music in this came from the OT.
 
I thought it was prettty funny how many times they zoomed out to reveal Rey was totes scavenging off giant destroyed classic tech. Like when they zoomed out and she was living in an ATAT I was like "rule of three, rule of three!"
 
16BitNova said:
Just got back. Still have my emotions on tilt. I had a feeling Han's death was coming. But, man. It feels like losing a family member. I loved Han Solo. Playing Han and Leia's Love Theme from Empire just gutted me :(

Anyway here is my Rey theory (which is most likely so wrong, but would be unexpected). Rey is from some Sith Bloodline. Be it Palpatine, Dooku, or whoever (Vader's mistress). Leia or Luke, or whoever else succeed in turning Kylo Ren over to the Light just in time for him and Rey to dual it out against Supreme Leader Snoke.
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Interesting theory, however, I think once you turn to the dark side you become celibate, like a priest.

Can you imagine Vader having sex?
 
Just saw it, really enjoyed it. My biggest and really only gripe was the amount of quips. I don't hate them like some people, but it was almost non-stop at times.
 
Grover Cleveland said:
Truuuu

Sith would have been a better movie with zero dialogue.

Less chance for Lucas scripting to bring it down
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The Order 66 and ending sequences were all really well done too. Movie definitely doesn't shine when everyone is mute.

jett said:
I'm now thinking that my liking of ROTS upon first watch might have been due entirely to the score.



The Birth of the Twins and Padme's Destiny
The Immolation Scene

This is utterly outstanding work. I really had forgotten how good it was.
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This is good shit.

It would be a shame if the sequels were an inverse of the prequels in being better movies with worse scores.
 
oneida said:
fuel for the "rey is unquestionably luke's daughter" fire:
hamill's VO for the second TFA trailer
http://youtu.be/ngElkyQ6Rhs

"the force is strong in my family; my father has it, i have it, my sister has it. you have that power too."
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Hammill actually recorded new audio for that, you can hear it under the ROTJ lines.

Maybe it was just for trailer purposes or maybe he meant to say something at the end of the movie, and Abrams just cut it up.
 
I'm a little disappointed in the soundtrack. Maybe I'll need to re-watch it a few times, but there weren't too many memorable themes, especially compared to the prequel sountracks.
 
Ape Gone Insane said:
Just watched it. Fuck me it was boring. The only good parts were learning about the Rey, Kylo and Luke backstory. Most other things were rushed and underdeveloped.
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Uhm not really.


Man i really wonder what people expected...


Ive got what i wanted. A worthy successor to the old trilogy.

I agree with the soundtrack though. I lacked this imperial march or duel of the fates.
 
tarius1210 said:
Interesting theory, however, I think once you turn to the dark side you become celibate, like a priest.

Can you imagine Vader having sex?
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Can't speak for the new cannon, but in the old lore, dark side was all about the booty calls. It actually played quite a bit into the old Sith Empires politics.
 
Likes: Banter, shot composition, some action, some fanservice

Less Liked: Music, repetitive death star, fanservice.
 
The only thing i didn't like about it. Was how they are basically taking the story from 4-6 and redoing it with a more diverse cast.

Rey is Luke's Daughter.
Luke's going to die like obi wan.
Han Solo had to die so Fin could take his place.

Episode 8 is going to play out like episode 5. Its amazingly well done but it just feels like a really safe movie.
 
Ragnorok64 said:
Starkiller base seemingly can move. It's the only way the weapon can work more than once. The Death Star(s) had hyperdrives as well.
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Yeah I suppose. I think they just went overboard with the (admittedly cool) idea of shrinking-sun-as-clock. Like they figured that out first and worked backwards. It would've been rad enough to just siphon energy from the sun. How do you hide construction of a planet weapon, how do you power it's drive. Obliterating six(?) planets simultaneously from interstellar range is Bonkers. It's so weird that they just swept aside the Republic despite the Republic having never shown up on screen. Like what even was he Republic after the Empire? Who cares I guess. Hard to be afraid of a thing that kills something you don't know anything about.

I dunno I just feel like the stakes on that thing we're all over the place. They sent a geriatric, a dog, and a brain-washed janitor / conscript to disable it with a bag of grenades and no plan? That's it? At least for Death Star 2 our heroes had a strike force.
 
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