The fuck?
They did that to the OT? The banter between the Stormies while Kenobi shuts down the tractor beams is in Jango Fett's voice? That can't be real.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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The fuck?
They did that to the OT? The banter between the Stormies while Kenobi shuts down the tractor beams is in Jango Fett's voice? That can't be real.
FUBAR McDangles
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Got this book and lots of really fantastic stuff about the concept stages of the movie. Lots and lots and lots of fantastic art as well. Here are some things that stuck out to me:
- Finn's original name was Sam, then Skylar. He was a white guy who was basically a new Han Solo
- BB8 Was originally a flying droid of size of BB's head
- Poe Dameron was originally called John Doe, and was a black guy.
- Poe was a Jedi, then a bounty hunter, then had his own Wookie pal
- Rey was originally called Kira, and then Thea in the storyboard phase
- Rey's planet underwent a ton of changes. Desert planet, jungle planet, at one point the Imperial ruins were actually the remains of the second Death Star and everything was underwater, she went diving all the time for salvage
- Han and Chewie show up in the Millenium Falcon to go looking for something hidden in the remains of the Death Star. Falcon goes underwater.
- Speaking of Han, he was supposed to have a sick beard + long trenchcoat
- Kylo Ren was originally a bounty hunter who idolized Vader - went around destroying Jedi relics, killing any Jedi he found, and keeping their lightsabers as trophies. Eventually that evolved into him leading a group of bounty hunters around, then that evolved to a group of stormtroopers, then it evolved into a formal organization
- When it was still a pirate group, they used a broken down old Star Destroyer as their moving base
- A huge theme of everything was fire and ice. Blue and red contrasting everywhere. Lava on snow planets, red and blue lightsabers, and so on
- At some point someone was supposed to have a double bladed lightsaber. But one blade was red, the other was blue
- There was supposed to be a new Yoda character. Younger than TPM Yoda, but has a sick beard
- At some point, I think an old climax, has a huge army of like 100s of Red-lightsaber wielding fighters go up against about 20 or so Jedi on a field next to a huge crashed Star Destroyer
- At a different point, the remnants of the Empire used the remains of the Rebel base that was destroyed/mentioned on Dantooine in ANH as their main base of operations. Cool callback.
- Starkiller was originally a new Death Star (dubbed Doom Star), then evolved into a moving weapon that just absorbed/killed planets and then moved on, destroying entire systems. Then went back to a new Death Star. Then a combo (which we got with TFA)
I'll post more later. All of this is from the first 1/3rd of the book. It is well worth the money bros. Check it out.
I lied. There was a few more things that stuck out near the back of the book
- JJ Abrams really wanted to have a red star destroyer at some point
- Snoke was, at one point, a woman
- Snoke was designed to be extremely pale, like those ancient roman statues
- Snoke was supposed to be a really handsome dude when he was younger, and as he became more and more infatuated with the dark side it physically consumed him and degraded his body and face
- The final trench run, at one point, was Poe literally going down the barrel of the Starkiller weapon and blowing it up from in there
- Back when Poe was a Jedi, when he goes into the Starkiller barrel he stands up in his cockpit and uses his lightsaber to cut up the inside of the Starkiller planet weapon
- The Force Awakens was revealed in November of 2014, but was known internally back in September or so
- Apparently, at least internally, a lot of the driving force of The Force Awakens was the question "Who is Luke Skywalker?", and they went about everything with that in mind. What would Luke do, who he is as a person, and all that. They wanted to make this movie with the intention of growing him as a character without actually featuring him much
- Final art shot in the book is a cool shot of Rey and Leia sitting in a bunker looking out at the horizon. Beautiful art piece. Could look great on a wall
- At one point Kylo was going to be a cyborg-ish guy. Half his face was robotic. Kind of like a Star Wars version of Two-Face (Batman)
- More than a handful of art pieces on the Knights of Ren. A few pics here and there of 2-3 Knights looking cool. A few shots of them all in a line. Most are just old/recycled concepts of the original Jedi Killer, which evolved into Kylo.
- Almost every single picture/painting/drawing/concept in this book has a caption explaining something about it. But everything about the Knights of Ren is just presented without comment. Strange.
- Originally, Snoke was supposed to be sitting in his chair like the Lincoln Memorial
- Before post production, it was not supposed to be revealed that Snoke was a hologram until the very end of the movie.
- Going off my last post about the snowtroopers and their snowspeeder thing, in the last section of the book there are several different concepts of that speeder. Definitely hints that at one point there was an extensive chase scene
- A design decision on Snoke was that they wanted him to clearly be full of power/wisdom/strength and clearly be on the older side, but did not want him to be anything like the Emperor physically
- There was a really cool concept of a troop transport ship very similar to a OT Y-Wing.
- The destruction of the New Republic planet was supposed to be a longer series of shots, with a few shots of an absolutely massive Republic Fleet guarding it against the New Order
- That would explain where the majority of the fleet was. But then it gets destroyed by the Starkiller blast, showing a bit why the Resistance fleet was so undermanned there in the climax
- The physical look of Snoke and Maz were not completed until after the movie was wrapped and in post production
Lots of cool stuff about Snoke there. Adds a bit. Plus a bit of mystery about the Knights of Ren and how they are treated in comparison to pretty much everything else in the book.
Orthogonal
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Its not just similar but pretty much copies every major beat.
Still loved it regardless.
Probably the 2004 DVD release.
Anton Sugar
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I like what several gaffers have suggested:
-Leia probably suggested the name Ben
-Solo agreed because he knew, at that point, that the Force was real
It seems like a throwaway homage but I think it's significant.
It's clear that Kylo Ren is an identity that Ben has taken on. The mask is a huge part of that. It creates a new identity for him.
EDIT: Haha, as I post that...this works, too:
"Ben Solo" is a solid name because Leia never even met Obi-Wan so that's all Han, that secret softie.
Thanks y'all.
Thanks y'all.
The big disadvantage to having a clone army is they all die off after a short period. Superior fighting ability, severely reduced life-span.
It's not real.
howdyjacker
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Grover Cleveland
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Probably the latter.
He was really just half a really crispy dude stuck in a cybernetic suit after all.
I imagine not 3/4 of the way dead Vader would be much more powerful than the dude we got in the movies.
He's saying that no one questions Stormtroopers wearing helmets so why would anyone do the same for Kylo? They're both soldiers who would wear a helmet for protection.
Anyone else felt like they set up the next two movies very well? This very much feels like the beginning of a new STORY, not just the start and finish of The Force Awakens. Next movie is going to be phenomenal. Seems like people forget that it's part one of three and that there's much more content coming..
Boba was an unaltered clone, they can make them age normally, but that would be pointless. You pay for quick perfect troops with an obedience switch installed over inaccurate recruits who can pull a Finn. That's why Ren suggests going back to Clones.
I'll give it that.
I like the theory where she's had training, but her memories have been repressed or wiped to protect her and not make her a target for any baddies hunting Jedi. Would tie in nicely with why she was also dumped on a planet in the middle of nowhere. As the film goes on, her Jedi instincts start to kick in and it starts coming back to her.
Its in the novelization, Fin and Rey steal a speeder while Han and Chewie go inside to blow shit up. Chase ensues
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Gunslinger
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You guys think kylo will be like darth vader as in more machine parts in him. I mean after the last battle he took a lot of damage and considerable amount of damage to the face including a huge scar.
Digital-Hero
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Vader breaks test tubes with "NOOOOOOOOOOO!" though. Quite powerful.
This really should have been in the movie. Would have made the climax make more sense.
The more I think about it, the more I am disappointed by the music. I can't remember a single memorable musical queue in this movie. It might be time to replace John Williams. He is the greatest composer of all time, but it feels like he might be out of ideas for Star Wars.
Dusktildawn48
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Seeing it for the 2nd time. Never been to a movie at night by myself
Probably. I think that's where they were going when Han and Kylo had their confrontation. He told him to take that mask off because he didn't need it. Now, after being cut up a bit from Rey, he probably needs it.
I loved it.
Went on blackout since the second trailer.
So strange to see many people fuss over details that were mostly explained.
- Kylo wears the helmet to resemble his example Darth Vader, so yes he does not need it .... yet.
People meet up in a movie the most unlikely ways, its how stories begin, no meeting means no story.
some very funny scenes for me, with the thumbs up from bb8 toping it.
Fin is/was a stormtrooper; he had the training so he was trained to use that weapon that stormtrooper had against the lightsaber as well, so him being somewhat decent at it is not that suprising.
Rey is obviously gifted in the force and trained to survive in a harsh environment, no need more to explain how she is able to do what she does, the force provides it storywise, don't like it, tough luck.
small things that bothered were Carry Fisher not really up there acting wise and Leia from the looks of it having done nothing jedi wise with her force powers that she should have as stated in ep V/VI (at least I think so)
Also that big female leader of the stormtroopers was really badly used.
I need this so bad on digital/blueray to watch it over and over and over and over.
Went on blackout since the second trailer.
So strange to see many people fuss over details that were mostly explained.
- Kylo wears the helmet to resemble his example Darth Vader, so yes he does not need it .... yet.
People meet up in a movie the most unlikely ways, its how stories begin, no meeting means no story.
some very funny scenes for me, with the thumbs up from bb8 toping it.
Fin is/was a stormtrooper; he had the training so he was trained to use that weapon that stormtrooper had against the lightsaber as well, so him being somewhat decent at it is not that suprising.
Rey is obviously gifted in the force and trained to survive in a harsh environment, no need more to explain how she is able to do what she does, the force provides it storywise, don't like it, tough luck.
small things that bothered were Carry Fisher not really up there acting wise and Leia from the looks of it having done nothing jedi wise with her force powers that she should have as stated in ep V/VI (at least I think so)
Also that big female leader of the stormtroopers was really badly used.
I need this so bad on digital/blueray to watch it over and over and over and over.
TheChewyWaffles
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What? Muting the whole thing is as jarring as the inserted vader comments.
Makes sense. The First Order is basically the most die hard Imperials who when the Empire agreed to surrender to the Republic said hell no and ran off with resources etc to the Unknown Regions
I thought that was the point of that. Showing his humanity side and after killing Han he is deformed after the battle. Coming back with less human literally. At least that is what i took of the exchange, which was really interesting and shows promise.
Get a copy of ROTJ Despecialized version. It's not hard to find.
Technically, wasn't she head of Sanitation on Starkiller base?
howdyjacker
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Perhaps, but the mask symbolizes the love and veneration he has for vader.
For criss sakes, he had deformed vader mask on display ...
Mask was chosen for a reason, not just to assume a new identity. But rather to show who he now aligned with.
Vader with mask commanded power and ren does to thru said symbol of power.
Probably because of aggressive auto-correction on phones and tablets.
Sith and Jedi have different strengths. Some have better control of the force some are shit hot with a saber. Anakin was gifted with a saber but when he became Vader he lost all that, which pushed him further down the dark path. He adapted and was still very good though.
Luke was really good at controlling things through the Force but not as good with a saber.
Ren, to me, was more Luke on Dagobah than Vader in terms of ability. Gifted, but untrained force user not totally committed to the light or dark side.
Whew. That would have hurt if true.
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Rey was probably left on Jakku after Ren killed the other jedis, and she doesn't seem to remember her time on the other planet (did Luke wipe her memory out or was she too young?). When we see the spaceship leave, she yells out to her parents, it sounds like she was old enough to be at least two years old.
Ren was probably around 15-17 in that case.
howdyjacker
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I get that.
But why miss out on the true meaning why ren wears his.
Hint: it's not for protection.
She was Han's daughter originally.
They ruined it IMO. But she might as well be Skywalker.
She needs to be Luke's.
Because I don't want that little shit of Kylo being the only Solo AND Skywalker left.
PuppetMaster
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Kylo was a great casting choice and the actor did an amazing job. But it was a risky choice and not the safe choice.
The most difficult role in the film for sure.
We are lucky the types of people who did not like him had nothing to do with creating this film. Lol at the people sggesting Hayden was better. That would have been prequel levels of bad film making choices all over again.
The most difficult role in the film for sure.
We are lucky the types of people who did not like him had nothing to do with creating this film. Lol at the people sggesting Hayden was better. That would have been prequel levels of bad film making choices all over again.
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Luke is going to have a kid somewhere I have a feeling. It is either going to be Poe or Rey. Fuck what if Han was sleeping around and Poe is his kid.
Chances are Lukes kid is Rey though no matter what it just makes sense.
Anton Sugar
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I can't disagree with any of this. I actually really like the fanatic angle and it fits his character/costume perfectly.
More_Badass
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So predictions for the next films:
- With the home of the Republic wiped off the map, the galaxy is in chaos. The First Order steamrolls across the universe, with the Resistance and Leia acting as the defacto leaders of the free worlds and the allied forces against the First Order. Essentially World War on a galactic scale
- Finn and Poe team up, going on missions against Hux, Phasma, and the rest of the First Order leadership
- Luke and Rey train, and either embark on a quest to defeat Snoke and Kylo or are forced to flee from the Knights of Ren
- Kylo continues his training under Snoke and grows stronger in the dark side. Considering his volatile nature and Vader aspirations, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to strike down his master and rule the galaxy much like Vader wished to rule galaxy with Luke. Kylo plans to seek out Rey and convert her
- With the home of the Republic wiped off the map, the galaxy is in chaos. The First Order steamrolls across the universe, with the Resistance and Leia acting as the defacto leaders of the free worlds and the allied forces against the First Order. Essentially World War on a galactic scale
- Finn and Poe team up, going on missions against Hux, Phasma, and the rest of the First Order leadership
- Luke and Rey train, and either embark on a quest to defeat Snoke and Kylo or are forced to flee from the Knights of Ren
- Kylo continues his training under Snoke and grows stronger in the dark side. Considering his volatile nature and Vader aspirations, I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to strike down his master and rule the galaxy much like Vader wished to rule galaxy with Luke. Kylo plans to seek out Rey and convert her
Wait what. Are you speculating or was it confirmed?
Glass Shark
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We already know who Poe's parents are, it's in the Shattered Empire comics in the new canon.
Luke fucked those trees.
Digital-Hero
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The best part of Ep7 it sets up ANYTHING in the next chapters almost.
Can't wait for the future.
Can't wait for the future.
Anyone else feel Han meeting face to face with Ben the first time above a giant chasm subconsciously foreshadowed his death a little too much? I mean, maybe that's the point, to pay homage to all the other Star Wars films where people are flung down into a bottomless pit, but it really felt like it was barreling straight towards that conclusion a little too hard.
Maybe if they at least treated the pit as an inevitable metaphor that Han treated with an urgency and desperation to change, it could have been an even more emotionally compelling scene for 2 characters we never see together before, but as it was, it was a shock but a little disappointing since Han didn't even seem to see it coming. Even a hint that he knew he could be facing his death would be pretty powerful.
Maybe if they at least treated the pit as an inevitable metaphor that Han treated with an urgency and desperation to change, it could have been an even more emotionally compelling scene for 2 characters we never see together before, but as it was, it was a shock but a little disappointing since Han didn't even seem to see it coming. Even a hint that he knew he could be facing his death would be pretty powerful.
Nothing 100% confirmed.
But leaks that got 80% right (so can't be a fluke) stated she was.
The 20% that wasn't right is due to modifications through the editing room, reshoots, and intern screening opinions that altered the movie.
Bobby Roberts
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That's the one.
They're doing it so much that you can't actually even search the words Han Solo on google without the spoiler autofilling.
CloudyTuba
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It's true. I liked the movie but I sure hope they go a new direction next time. As much as I like ESB I dont want a remake of it, I want something more new.
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