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[Seventy_X_Seven]

That would surely be "the force awakens" then. A lightsaber on its own is nothing overly special. It certainly doesn't possess any force powers of its own. However we have seen countless times that the force does have an individual presence (Vader sensing Kenobi on the Death Star, for example). We also know that someone's force presence can linger on an object or an area for years, as shown by this canon comic,



So Luke goes into hiding to learn more about the Jedi Order after failing Ben Solo. He doesn't want to risk failing his own daughter, so he abandons her and uses an advanced Jedi mind trick to cloud her memory so she won't go seeking him. Luke's force presence is lingering on his old lightsaber, and when Rey approaches it partially reverses what Luke did. The force has awoken, it's not instantaneous but Rey is slowing recalling her abilities.

It also would make since how Kylo Ren reacted when he heard about her. It was almost as if he knew her

Just going to add onto this, why is there hidden information on Luke's whereabouts on Jakku to begin with? If Luke goes and finds the original Jedi Temple, then removes it from the archives and entrusts R2D2 with the main chunk, where would he put the remaining chunk? Why on Jakku? Unless his daughter is there and is hoping she'll find it and that R2 would then get to her.

Also if Luke ever did have a daughter, would that be something he keeps hidden from Han and Leia or not? Also guess it depends on when he had her relative to Ben Solo. Not quite sure their age difference.

 

[fugimax]

Well...she did make this face 90% of the time in this movie:


You could blame it on the script, but I kinda agree with him in context with this movie.
The idea of her is good, but the execution could've been better.

She's like Kate from Lost basically.

No way. She was phenomenal both in idea and execution. Do you remember how dopey Luke was before Shit Got Real?

Excited that the trilogy is setup for a female lead to be the ultimate hero. Teared up when she first took the light-saber against Kylo.

 

[Kalentan]

Rey being Luke's kid would be one familial surprise too many IMO. Ren was acceptable. They shouldn't overdo it.

They said that this sequel trilogy is still a skywalker generational story. Ben Solo isn't that Skywalker. It's no doubt Rey is tho.

 

[Frog-fu]

If anyone in the movie cant act, it's Rey.

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give a convincing and compelling performance of a genuine leader of men in possession of cunning and acumen.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube that made my eyes roll and robbed the First Order of any subtlety.

 

[CaviarMeths]

Wouldn't it be something if Rey's parentage was... irrelevant? Like, she's just some nobody whose equally irrelevant parents sold into slavery to pay a debt before ditching. I mean, it's not like Skywalker was an important name before Anakin.

It would almost be better that way.

Also, Rey was awesome and Hux's ham & cheese was very amusing. I have no complaints about either of their actors.

If anyone was a bore, it was Finn, sadly. Guy had some funny lines, but otherwise didn't really sell me on his character.

 

[Zukuu]

From the trailer 2.

"The Force is strong in my family."
"My father has it" -> Darth Vader
"I have it" -> Luke
"My sister has it" -> Leia
"You have that power too" -> It MUST be Rey.

I think that is dialogue from the second movie and he speaks those words to her during their training.

 

[sjay1994]

Yeah, seriously.


Am I remembering wrong, or was there no indication he was a hologram until it flickered off? I thought I was seeing some sort of giant creature too.

There was none at all. Usually holograms are shaded blue, Snoke looked as if he was there in person. Hell, the room shakes when he gets angry.

 

[Monocle]

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give convincing performances of genuine leaders.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube.

Well, he was basically hired to play Space Hitler, so...

 

[Deleted member 30609]

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give a convincing and compelling performance of a genuine leader of men in possession of cunning and acumen.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube that made my eyes roll and robbed the First Order of any subtlety.

You're crazy, Gleeson was a scene stealer! Loved it.

 

[Frog-fu]

Well, he was basically hired to play Space Hitler, so...

The Empire were space Nazis too. The OT just wasn't so blatant about it.

 

[kingocfs]

Wouldn't it be something if Rey's parentage was... irrelevant? Like, she's just some nobody whose equally irrelevant parents sold into slavery to pay a debt before ditching. I mean, it's not like Skywalker was an important name before Anakin.

It would almost be better that way.

Also, Rey was awesome and Hux's ham & cheese was very amusing. I have no complaints about either of their actors.

If anyone was a bore, it was Finn, sadly. Guy had some funny lines, but otherwise didn't really sell me on his character.

This.

 

[sjay1994]

Well, he was basically hired to play Space Hitler, so...

If anything, the empire = space nazi imagery was super on the nose in TFA. Hell, the stormtroopers even do a "heil".

 

[OriginofHysteria]

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give a convincing and compelling performance of a genuine leader of men in possession of cunning and acumen.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube that made my eyes roll and robbed the First Order of any subtlety.

I wasn't a fan of that speech. It was poorly delivered and I didn't understand him half the time.

 

[injurai]

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give a convincing and compelling performance of a genuine leader of men in possession of cunning and acumen.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube that made my eyes roll and robbed the First Order of any subtlety.

I seriously 100% thought that Max Von Sydow was going to be playing that role. Instead he had a small practically extra role in the beginning of the movie.

 

[The One and Done™]

Well...she did make this face 90% of the time in this movie:


You could blame it on the script, but I kinda agree with him in context with this movie.
The idea of her is good, but the execution could've been better.

She's like Kate from Lost basically.

This has to be a joke. Rey was excellent in this film. She has the vulnerability + gravitas

 

[Einchy]

If anything, the empire = space nazi imagery was super on the nose in TFA. Hell, the stormtroopers even do a "heil".

It was super on the nose since OT, it's who the Empire and The New Order are. Why try and make their Space Nazism more subtle?

 

[kurahador]

No way. She was phenomenal both in idea and execution. Do you remember how dopey Luke was before Shit Got Real?

Excited that the trilogy is setup for a female lead to be the ultimate hero. Teared up when she first took the light-saber against Kylo.

Like I said, you're just excited what she'll do going forward not now. Luke was great in Empire, not ANH.

 

[nib95]

Well...she did make this face 90% of the time in this movie:


You could blame it on the script, but I kinda agree with him in context with this movie.
The idea of her is good, but the execution could've been better.

She's like Kate from Lost basically.

I don't know man, I thought she was great. Played a great mix of curious, funny, witty, fierce, aggressive, sweet etc.

Random GIF's.

 

[shingi70]

Ren probably sensed the doubt/conflict in Finn, or possibly just noticed that Finn wasn't doing anything while all other Troopers were.

Think Finn COULD be force sensitive but there's very little evidence of it so far.

I just assumed that Renn felt the force in Finn even if it was a small glimmer. Plus he seemed decent enough with the Saber and held up well to Renn. But who knows what will happen.


In my head I assumed Rey would be trained by Luke, Kylo = Snoke, and Finn would train in the force with Maz.

Was their anything special with the Bespin Saber, seemed to be a big thing about the heroes using it.

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

Image of old Snoke design from the art book.

http://i.imgur.com/B3sVdpg.jpg

Snoke was almost female? That pretty much rules out that he is Plagueis?

Am I remembering wrong, or was there no indication he was a hologram until it flickered off? I thought I was seeing some sort of giant creature too.

Had to be intentional. The movie was well underway at that point. Everything was going well, the movie was working. Then they throw in a giant alien to be all, "Hey guys look we're going to make stupid design choices and ruin Star Wars more . . . . just kidding!"
My movie theater let out a huge collective sigh of relief when the hologram flickered off.

 

[Monocle]

The Empire were space Nazis too. They OT just wasn't so blatant about it.

If anything, the empire = space nazi imagery was super on the nose in TFA. Hell, the stormtroopers even do a "heil".

I was like "OK, Space Nazis that are even Space Nazier than the old Space Nazis." It didn't bother me, honestly.

 

[ryan299]

I'm not the only one who thought there were similarities here right?

EDIT: I know he was burned, I'm just saying it's weird.

 

[fugimax]

Like I said, you're just excited what she'll do going forward not now. Luke was great in Empire, not ANH.

No way.

Yes, I'm excited for what's next for her, but her character and portrayal of it in this movie was great. She stole the show (as if it was never hers to begin with).

 

[injurai]

I'm not the only one who thought there were similarities here right?

 

[Limited Edition]

Honestly, why would you guys believe Rey is Ren's sister, when Han and Leia are going on and on about "our son" but seem to have no idea who Rey could possibly be.

Han knows exactly who she is, you could see it in his face when he asks her what her name is. That being said....

I waited 30 years for THIS? Seriously? What the flying fuck.

Finn had a ton of potential as a character, and they turned him into a cowardly, lying dummy who was just chasing a piece of tail and was willing to screw everything up and/or get himself killed to get it.

Han Solo, hero of the Rebellion, was a down on his luck freighter captain again, busy staying one step ahead of his debtors while chasing down his ship? One would think that NOBODY would be dumb enough to steal the Falcon from a guy who went to task taking on the Empire, but apparently the galaxy is full of pretty stupid people. And why in gods name wouldn't he just use all his contacts in the Republic to find it, because god knows they owe him a few favors after Yavin, Hoth, and Endor.

Kylo Ren wiped out the Jedi? HOW? The guy went head to head with a failed stormtrooper and struggled! What, was Luke at the bar getting hammered when Kylo went all dark side and screwed up the new order? It's either that, or Luke is a really, really bad Jedi Master.

And good god is the Republic an abysmal failure. What's that, a nifty little offshoot of the Empire is springing up? Eh, just toss some X-wings at it and that should do the trick. No need to throw out full weight into squashing them, it's not like they would try to build another super weapon capable of wiping out entire star systems. Whoops, billions are dead now! Our bad! Vote Republic!

Phasma, ugh. Boba Fett v2.0. Looks cool, you expect badassery, and then PBBBBT! Gone! Better luck next movie!

Rey is pretty much the only character in the entire movie thats worth a damn. Strong willed, experienced, and apparently the only one capable of knowing what they have to do and fucking doing it aside from Poe.

And then there's the shit that doesn't make any fucking sense. Like how the hell did Artoo know when to wake up? Was he on some sort of timer? Waiting for Rey? A random number generator set to wake him up when it hit a certain value? Where the hell did he get that map? And where the hell did the First Order get the resources to build that thing? You don't just find that much scrap metal lying around. You would think some intelligence analyst somewhere would have noticed when enough metal to build a few warfleets was purchased and then vanished. Or somebody would have tipped off someone to there being a planet with a giant fucking hyperspace laser beam build into it.


Just... ugh. All the hype. All the waiting. And then this happens.

Fuck.

 

[fugimax]

I'm not the only one who thought there were similarities here right?

:O

 

[sjay1994]

I was like "OK, Space Nazis that are even Space Nazier than the old Space Nazis." It didn't bother me, honestly.

It didn't bother me either, but I just found it a bit funny.

 

[Number_6]

From the trailer 2.

"The Force is strong in my family."
"My father has it" -> Darth Vader
"I have it" -> Luke
"My sister has it" -> Leia
"You have that power too" -> It MUST be Rey.

I think that is dialogue from the second movie and he speaks those words to her during their training.

This again?

This dialogue was from Return of the Jedi. It is the actual recorded dialogue from that film, just with the first sentence moved to the end.

 

[Monocle]

There was none at all. Usually holograms are shaded blue, Snoke looked as if he was there in person. Hell, the room shakes when he gets angry.

Had to be intentional. The movie was well underway at that point. Everything was going well, the movie was working. Then they throw in a giant alien to be all, "Hey guys look we're going to make stupid design choices and ruin Star Wars more . . . . just kidding!"
My movie theater let out a huge collective sigh of relief when the hologram flickered off.

OK, yeah. Glad it was a fakeout. The size difference was a striking effect in the moment, but then the pretty blatant CG face got my Hobbit sense tingling.

 

[bionic77]

I don't know man, I thought she was great. Played a great mix of curious, funny, witty, fierce, aggressive, sweet etc.

Random GIF's.

Rey and Fin were both amazing.

For me at least they have me incredibly excited and ready to go on an adventure with both of them.

I don't want to start another thread but how much better is this movie because of the fact that it was not spoiled by the trailers? When I see a trailer like Dark Knight v Superman or Terminator where you see at least 2 plot twists in the fucking trailer I always feel like it kind of ruins part of the movie, at least for me. It was so nice going into a movie and not knowing what the fuck was going to happen. It helps that the movie was amazing too.

 

[Tadale]

From the trailer 2.

"The Force is strong in my family."
"My father has it" -> Darth Vader
"I have it" -> Luke
"My sister has it" -> Leia
"You have that power too" -> It MUST be Rey.

I think that is dialogue from the second movie and he speaks those words to her during their training.

This dialog is just from Return of the Jedi, right?

 

[Ether_Snake]

For all we know only the armor was burned. Doubt Luke would put Darth Vader's helmet back on father head's.

 

[Einchy]

I don't know man, I thought she was great. Played a great mix of curious, funny, witty, fierce, aggressive, sweet etc.

Random GIF's.

The bass during this gif was awesome in the theater. I felt the lightsaber's pulsing in my chest, it made it that much more threatening.

 

[CD'S BAR]

Domhnall Gleeson was by far the weakest actor of the film. No presence, no grace, no grativas or weight befitting his position. They cast too young for the role of General Hux. We should've gotten a Pete Cushing (RIP) or Donald Sutherland type of actor to give a convincing and compelling performance of a genuine leader of men in possession of cunning and acumen.

Instead we got Gleeson giving a performance that felt so transparently informed by repeated viewing of Hitler speeches on Youtube that made my eyes roll and robbed the First Order of any subtlety.

This was my problem with hux but to a greater extent kylo. Like they took the new kids on the block theme too far. They didn't have to extend it to the villains as well. Should have had older more menacing villains. And Snoke doesn't count because he sucked.

 

[Frog-fu]

I wasn't a fan of that speech. It was poorly delivered and I didn't understand him half the time.

The speech was bad, but the lacking of Domhnall Gleeson's performance goes beyond that. I thought it was his body language that really gave away how miscast he was. The way he stood, the way he walked, the way he folded his arms behind his back and barked orders - I found none of it compelling. I felt as if he was going through the motions of what he was told to do without imbueing any individuality to it. I already found it hard enough to believe he was old enough to have instituted the kidnapped babies made into Stormtrooper program that he was apparently responsible for, but the fact that I found nothing about him intimidating or compelling was one of the more glaring issues I have with TFA.

I seriously 100% Max Von Sydow was going to be playing that role. Instead he had a small practically extra role in the beginning of the movie.

Hot damn. This would have been perfect.

Hell, they could have had Von Sydow play an overseer of both Ren and Hux, with the latter being his ambitious upstart of a protege.

 

[Joco]

Just finished the movie. Daisy Ridley as Rey stole the show.

JJ Abrams nailed the Star Wars feel perfectly as well. Could not have chosen a better director to bring Star Wars back.

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

From the trailer 2.

"The Force is strong in my family."
"My father has it" -> Darth Vader
"I have it" -> Luke
"My sister has it" -> Leia
"You have that power too" -> It MUST be Rey.

I think that is dialogue from the second movie and he speaks those words to her during their training.

Or it's a Sequel Trilogy Prequel quote of Luke talking to his nephew Ben.

 

[Jacksinthe]

But if Rey is Luke's daughter.. why didn't Han or Leia recognize her at all? She's not that much younger than Kylo.. I know Luke was off doing his Jedi training.. but they'd still recognize her in some way.

Also, is Finn a Jedi? I'm thinking there's something there.

Finn? No.

Rey? Leia singles her out for a hug at the end of the movie. There's something there, I think.

 

[Defuser]

I'm not the only one who thought there were similarities here right?

Not possible, Luke watch him burn and saw his force ghost. Unless the force ghost is a special edition.

 

[injurai]

Rey and Fin were both amazing.

For me at least they have me incredibly excited and ready to go on an adventure with both of them.

I don't want to start another thread but how much better is this movie because of the fact that it was not spoiled by the trailers? When I see a trailer like Dark Knight v Superman or Terminator where you see at least 2 plot twists in the fucking trailer I always feel like it kind of ruins part of the movie, at least for me. It was so nice going into a movie and not knowing what the fuck was going to happen. It helps that the movie was amazing too.

Yeah, I loved Boyega and Ridley. Both were fantastic, I loved that they felt like grounded characters and weren't mapped entirely to hollywood style acting. So glad they got low profile actors for this.

Also agree on the trailers for this. I loved going in as blind as I did. BvS looks absolutely shit, and I hate all the details that they've left me with. Comics should be just as well established as SW to be able to convey theme without spoiling plot.

 

[IKizzLE]

Movie was dope.

Calling it now, Rey will be the final villain, the most powerful force user in recent memory, and Kylo will end up good.

 

[nib95]

For all we know only the armor was burned. Doubt Luke would put Darth Vader's helmet back on father head's.

Then why would the face match the fire melted helmet? Snope isn't Vader man.

The bass during this gif was awesome in the theater. I felt the lightsaber's pulsing in my chest, it made it that much more threatening.

Agreed. Awesome scene. Tbh the light sabres felt and looked much better overall than any of the other movies. The light emitting, the sounds, the sparks, the way they were Akira Kurosawa Samurai esque battled in the woods, throwing up and cutting through snow, tree's etc. Amazing stuff.

 

[Ragnorok64]

One thing I feel like this movie lacked was some great shots of otherworldly locations. One of my favorite moments in the films is the scene where they approach Cloud City. You also get stuff like the approach to Otoh Gunga and the shots of Tipoca city.

I hope the next movie had a cool locale like that.

 

[injurai]

Movie was dope.

Calling it now, Rey will be the final villain, the most powerful force user in recent memory, and Kylo will end up good.

I'd be upset, also they won't. They want girls to have a role model in this universe to look up to. Kathleen Kennedy said as much already.

 

[sdornan]

I actually liked the movie better the second time. I think it's because the second time I could pay attention less to the plot and just enjoy the visuals, the characters, and the actors' performances. This movie is so rewatchable. Last night, I would have ranked this under ROTJ, but tonight I'd definitely rank it above.

 

[James93]

Just going to add onto this, why is there hidden information on Luke's whereabouts on Jakku to begin with? If Luke goes and finds the original Jedi Temple, then removes it from the archives and entrusts R2D2 with the main chunk, where would he put the remaining chunk? Why on Jakku? Unless his daughter is there and is hoping she'll find it and that R2 would then get to her.

Also if Luke ever did have a daughter, would that be something he keeps hidden from Han and Leia or not? Also guess it depends on when he had her relative to Ben Solo. Not quite sure their age difference.

A ton of questions i hope these books coming out help fill in the 30 year time jump.
It does seem that Rey was trained as a jedi at some point. Perhaps she trained with Ben.

 

[bionic77]

Yeah, I loved Boyega and Ridley. Both were fantastic, I loved that they felt like grounded characters and weren't mapped entirely to hollywood style acting. So glad they got low profile actors for this.

Also agree on the trailers for this. I loved going in as blind as I did. BvS looks absolutely shit, and I hate all the details that they've left me with. Comics should be just as well established as SW to be able to convey theme without spoiling plot.

I am not a huge comic nerd but when you name the movie Batman v Superman shouldn't they at least pretend that it ends with Batman and Superman fighting each other instead of the usual plot point if fighting each other but then teaming up to fight whatever super villain is introduced?

I don't get it. I agree with you that just having Batman and Superman in the title is enough to get people to go to the movie.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Then why would the face match the fire melted helmet? Snope isn't Vader man.

Why would it match? That's just a coincidence, it's art from Snook, and no he's not Vader. I'm just saying I doubt the burning armor was Anakin's body.

 

[James93]

Movie was dope.

Calling it now, Rey will be the final villain, the most powerful force user in recent memory, and Kylo will end up good.

Disney is clearly playing it safe based off how this movie played out. They aren't going to go out on that much of a limb. She may struggle with the dark side but she isn't going to turn.

 

[hirokazu]

Wouldn't it be something if Rey's parentage was... irrelevant? Like, she's just some nobody whose equally irrelevant parents sold into slavery to pay a debt before ditching. I mean, it's not like Skywalker was an important name before Anakin.

It would almost be better that way.

Yep. I think that's way better and more significant than her being a Skywalker. Having all the people strong with the force coming from the one family is so lame.