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[Frog-fu]

As soon as the word "midichlorians" is uttered in the movie, I will stand up and walk out.

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

 

[Anton Sugar]

There were a few shots where there seemed to be an unnecessary amount of softening/smoothing on Leia, which was jarring when it cuts back to Han, who is nice and crisp.

 

[TriniTrin]

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

The Prequel Hate FLOWS WITHIN THEM!

 

[Skyball Paint]

Kylo Ren wiped out the Jedi? HOW? The guy went head to head with a failed stormtrooper and struggled! What, was Luke at the bar getting hammered when Kylo went all dark side and screwed up the new order? It's either that, or Luke is a really, really bad Jedi Master.

Kylo took a bowcaster shot to the chest in the scene before and was having trouble breathing properly on top of being in serious pain.

Honestly, the fact that Kylo Ren was able to fight at all in his condition is pretty badass.

 

[bananafactory]

There were a few shots where there seemed to be an unnecessary amount of softening/smoothing on Leia, which was jarring when it cuts back to Han, who is nice and crisp.

Oh Han got pretty crisp alright

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[BY2K]

Oh Han got pretty crisp alright

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Fuckin WOW.

 

[Christopher]

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

Don't try to reason they care about a milisecond of footage of who shot first for no reason

 

[Hupsel]

Bring back Lando for episode VIII pls :<

 

[CD'S BAR]

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

I don't mind the concept either. If the force is like the physics of star wars, then midichlorians are like subatomic particles or quantum stuff or something. It's really the only new take/info/insight we've gotten on the force since ESB, this movie included.

 

[ghst]

Boyega's performance bugged me a lot... why was he so happy go lucky... dude just got out of essentially a kidnapping and being forced to kill-prison.

if it was a proper movie that had any desire to explore the human condition, finn would've been a damaged wreck taking his first tentative steps into an existence where every element of his llfe isn't a regimented ritual of brutality.

as it's a disney film, he's just a happy go lucky guy out on an adventure with a bag full of banter.

 

[injurai]

The one thing that really makes me sad about Han's death, is we never got to see Luke and Han reunite on the screen together.

 

[crackhead_bob]

Why do people say the Plagueis thing is canon? Palpie probably made shit up to lure Anakin.

And the prequels have no inherent need in being referenced over such a big point.

Yeah. And alot of people perpetuating this rumor are people who hate the prequels in the first place. Why would you want any callback to the prequels if you hate them so much? I'm hoping that they keep a blank slate on Snoke's character, with no ties into the prequel era.

 

[SparkleMotion]

Why are people so up in arms that the guy shown to be unstable, torn apart emotionally and overestimating his own power gets beaten? It made sense. He's not Vader.

 

[sjay1994]

Is part of the reason that the force users don't jump around flipping and shit and throwing large objects at each other because force users in general have become weaker since the fall of the Jedi ?

Basically.

When you think about the force users in OT, Vader is more machine than man, Ben Kenobi is old, and Luke barely has any training. Where as jedi before order 66 had years of training, Luke only had a years worth of training with Yoda between Empire and Jedi. And after that, he was basically the last remaining jedi we know about. Luke probably wouldn't compare to jedi in their peak before order 66.

 

[CrichtonKicks]

Most of the stuff in trailers doesn't get used as per JJ Abrams signature;
- Passing over lightsaber.
- Luke monologue "The force is strong in my family..."
- This shot;

etc...etc...

For the 100th time, the Luke monologue was never a part of the script. It's from RotJ and was re-recorded just for that trailer.

It references Vader being alive....

Why do people say the Plagueis thing is canon? Palpie probably made shit up to lure Anakin.

And the prequels have no inherent need in being referenced over such a big point.

I'm not big on this theory but the only use I can see for Plagueis would be as a way to leap frog the prequels and bring material in from even before that time. Per the OT the records pre-Empire were largely wiped out so if they want to bring in some kind of history in then a character from before that era would be useful.

I feel confident that Episode 8 is definitely brewing up something regarding history- TFA never really explains why the First Order is so desparate to find Luke and I'm thinking it' has something to do with whatever he has been working on at that Jedi Temple.

 

[smokeymicpot]

The one thing that really makes me sad about Han's death, is we never got to see Luke and Han reunite on the screen together.

Dude we will get that.

 

[Downhome]

I also can't believe they held back having Luke all over this movie. I love how they did that, introduced him at the very end, and held all that back for future films. I also love how they held back on most other characters from the past. It was a great decision to focus on all of the new characters, and let me say that they did a HELL of a casting job with every single one of them! We had Chewie and Han and that was all we needed, and that was flat out needed to tell this story of the film.

I loved it I'll say that. My second or third favorite Star Wars film ever, and just one of my favorite experiences in a theater in my life.

I loved the style of lightsaber battles too! Thank God they didn't bust out what we saw in the prequels. I don't care the reason for it, it's weaker now or whatever, but I'm so happy that they went with a more realistic style.

 

[injurai]

Why are people so up in arms that the guy shown to be unstable, torn apart emotionally and overestimating his own power gets beaten? It made sense. He's not Vader.

I really liked it, especially the scene where he was force interrogating Rey.

Oh and that Stormtrooper that let Rey escape...

Spoiler

was Albert Einstein

Spoiler

actually Daniel Craig :O

 

[Pixels]

I really felt Kylo was the best most complex character and Adam did a great acting job.

 

[bonesmccoy]

Han touching Ben's face... As a father of 3 boys, that scene got me.

Re Leia & Rey embracing, I chocked it up to their force affinities. They probably had been swapping feels long before the hug.

Oh Han got pretty crisp alright

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LOL!

 

[Altima]

There are shit lot of coincidence in this movie.

The most unacceptable is that they accidentally found Plasma in the base and Plasma gave up and removed the barrier easily.

She should know that she is the last fucking hope for them to remove the barrier and if they kill her they won't be able to remove the barrier.

 

[BY2K]

I feel confident that Episode 8 is definitely brewing up something regarding history- TFA never really explains why the First Order is so desparate to find Luke and I'm thinking it' has something to do with whatever he has been working on at that Jedi Temple.

I think they just want him dead. The Last Jedi. (Well not anymore.)

 

[Zukuu]

Dude we will get that.

How?

 

[Gunslinger]

I also can't believe they held back having Luke all over this movie. I love how they did that, introduced him at the very end, and held all that back for future films. I also love how they held back on most other characters from the past. It was a great decision to focus on all of the new characters, and let me say that they did a HELL of a casting job with every single one of them! We had Chewie and Han and that was all we needed, and that was flat out needed to tell this story of the film.

I loved it I'll say that. My second or third favorite Star Wars film ever, and just one of my favorite experiences in a theater in my life.

I loved the style of lightsaber battles too! Thank God they didn't bust out what we saw in the prequels. I don't care the reason for it, it's weaker now or whatever, but I'm so happy that they went with a more realistic style.

Yeah the saber battle was one of the high point of the picture.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Dude we will get that.

This is highly unlikely.

re: the Daniel Craig rumor - anyone else come back from a screening recently that can weigh in? I'd believe it if they simply said it was him in the armor, but everyone reposting that EW report says it's him SPEAKING, too, and there's just no way that's his voice.

 

[Seventy_X_Seven]

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

Even the Plinkett review is wrong when attacking them. They do not de-mystify the force or anything like that. Like you said, they speak to the force. The force is still an unexplained mystery. The only thing midichlorians explain is why Luke Skywalker can use the force and Han Solo cannot. I guess it didn't need to be explained, people were fine accepting that some people could wield the force and others couldn't as a given, but it's not overly offensive either.

 

[Sealed]

just got back from seeing this

now I can without a doubt say this is the best Star Wars movie that has ever been made

I'm glad they killed off Han

 

[Ragnorok64]

I don't think I'll ever understand the beef people have with midichlorians. They're microscopic sentient lifeforms found in all living organisms and the Force speaks through them and thus allows people to use it.

That's a pretty simple and nifty explanation. There is nothing inherently offensive about that.

I don't like that they were used as almost a power level reading. It's better when the Force is more mysteriou it never needed a "scientific" explanation. Also we now have to believe that all these random aliens all over this galaxy all have this same micro-organism in their bodes, regardless of how insanely varied they are.

Kylo took a bowcaster shot to the chest in the scene before and was having trouble breathing properly on top of being in serious pain.

Honestly, the fact that Kylo Ren was able to fight at all in his condition is pretty badass.

I believe he took a glancing(?) blow to the lower left abdomen . Pretty sure even he'd be dead if he ate one of those shots to the chest.

 

[Monocle]

I don't get why some things get hate in films. Like you're not allowed to have a whiny character, even if it makes sense and works for the character and plot? Or that if the fundamental story isn't original then it's trash, because obviously the first time a story is done is always the best and Star Wars (1977) is TOTALLY an original story /s

Yep, Star Wars was always derivative, but like many classic works, it developed a characteristic identity for itself by twisting or combining inherited elements in clever ways. Darth Vader's helmet is a shiny black skull combined with a samurai's helm, and it's iconic as hell. His breathing noise is an oxygen regulator for divers. Originality is just a creative remix of existing material.

As for Kylo, context makes a huge difference in separating his character's whininess from Anakin's. Kylo is bratty for excellent plot reasons, and his temperament actually suits him and nicely subverts his generic Vader-ness once you find out his background. On the other hand, Anakin's petulance rings false, not just because it feels totally disconnected from the impressive character he'll become, but also because his childish air works against his intended characterization before his fall: he's supposed to be a precocious student and formidable war veteran with a rebellious streak. Even when Anakin is in full dark side mode in ROTS, his rage comes off as a child's tantrum. Anakin needed real gravitas at that stage. Instead, Hayden Christensen's performance made him look like a Kylo Ren to the OT's Darth Vader.

 

[inm8num2]

How?

Han will return as a crotchety force ghost.

 

[Garuda1One]

Most of the stuff in trailers doesn't get used as per JJ Abrams signature;
- Passing over lightsaber.
- Luke monologue "The force is strong in my family..."
- This shot;

etc...etc...

That monologue is from ROTJ, maybe they use it for trailer purpose only ?

 

[injurai]

This is highly unlikely.

re: the Daniel Craig rumor - anyone else come back from a screening recently that can weigh in? I'd believe it if they simply said it was him in the armor, but everyone reposting that EW report says it's him SPEAKING, too, and there's just no way that's his voice.

It's him. Easily the most swag among the Stormtroopers.

 

[nib95]

Not if Snoke is Darth Plagueis. Plagueis was described as a Muun in the books, I believe and this is what he supposedly looked like according to the image on wookiepedia.

I'm of the belief Snoke is Plagueis but I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't turn out to be the case or if they changed his species.

If this is Darth Plagueis, it looks like Rey could be using his staff lol. Conveniently enough, Andy Serkis has also been seen wielding one&#8230;.

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If Snope is actually 7 foot, and is also Plagueis, the extra long staff sabre makes extra sense.

 

[BY2K]

This is highly unlikely.

re: the Daniel Craig rumor - anyone else come back from a screening recently that can weigh in? I'd believe it if they simply said it was him in the armor, but everyone reposting that EW report says it's him SPEAKING, too, and there's just no way that's his voice.

Wait, what Daniel Graig rumors?

 

[CrichtonKicks]

I think they just want him dead. The Last Jedi. (Well not anymore.)

I don't know- he's in exile not causing any trouble for them. It would seem easier to just wait him out and try to kill him if he ever reappears.

 

[Zukuu]

That monologue is from ROTJ, maybe they use it for trailer purpose only ?

Why use it then? Who does he then mean with "you"?

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Wait, what Daniel Graig rumors?

The mindtricked trooper is supposedly Daniel Craig.

 

[sjay1994]

Yeah the saber battle was one of the high point of the picture.

They even went with a similar tone to the OT. No bombastic soundtrack in the background, the music during the saber fights were muted.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Oh, I also thought the new dark lord looked ridiculous to the point I had to keep from laughing in the theater, and I thought the First Order General guy (so forgettable I don't even remember his name) had the unenviable job of having a role that consisted of "overact with an accent, but try to really sell it"

 

[smokeymicpot]

How?

Everyone is a ghost at one point.

 

[injurai]

Wait, what Daniel Graig rumors?

He was the stormtrooper Rey used force persuasion on while locked in the interrogation room.

 

[Anton Sugar]

Oh Han got pretty crisp alright

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[Zukuu]

Everyone is a ghost at one point.

But he has no force.

 

[Jobbs]

A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter. One of the clues he feels is that Han and Leia's theme plays when Rey is hugging Leia fora long time. She also wears the blaster like han does at the end. It also sets up some interesting story possibilities and the obvious tells that she's Luke's daughter could easily be red herrings.

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

I think they wanted to get a lot of the callbacks out of the way in this film. I can't imagine them just hamming those along in the next two films. Maybe a few minor thing here and there, but not in the way of major plot points anymore.

Your expectation (hope) and mine.

 

[Discotheque]

The mindtricked trooper is supposedly Daniel Craig.

it sounded like him too. he had that sarcastic bite to his voice.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's him. Easily the most swag among the Stormtroopers.

it sounded like him too. he had that sarcastic bite to his voice.

If it's him, he got dubbed over, because that's not his voice at all. Wish someone would just straight up ASK HIM. Or Abrams, for that matter.

A friend of mine just saw it a 2nd time and he now thinks Rey is Han and Leia's daughter.

There's no way, really.

 

[malingenie]

I was so pleasantly surprised. So many notes played right. "As long as there is still sun, there is still hope" sun goes out, Han dies. Poetic as shit. The whole movie, obviously A New Hope inspired, was the best successor I could imagine for our times.

 

[sjay1994]

Does anyone know who the actors from the Raid were playing in this movie?

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

I don't like that they were used as almost a power level reading. It's better when the Force is more mysteriou it never needed a "scientific" explanation. Also we now have to believe that all these random aliens all over this galaxy all have this same micro-organism in their bodes, regardless of how insanely varied they are.

It's stated that midichlorians make life possible, so yeah duh all living organisms would have it. That's the point.