[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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I can finally use the internet again.

Movie was great. Star Wars is back.

Bwahahaha probably the best post of the week! I swear I avoided the internet since early Thursday until I saw the movie Friday.

I wanted to go in spoiler free and I did.

Anyways more quick thoughts now that the movie has sunk in more:

-I also didn't like the scene on the Falcon with the raptors/creatures attacking people. As someone mentioned, it did seem like a "Men in Black" sequence and I thought it felt really out of place. A good old blaster fight with Han and Chewie vs the baddies would have been better and more opportunity for them for additional dialog and banter.

-Snoke is obviously not that big and only projecting himself to be Godzilla sized in order to show his importance/domination/I'm in charge mentality. Anyways, I didn't like this. It felt awkward and stupid. Unless he really *is* Godzilla sized which would lead back to stupid as well......

-Found out actor Daniel Craig(James Bond) was the Stormtrooper that Rey uses a Jedi mind trick on to free herself from the interrogation chair. Read it on the http://www.comingsoon.net Star Wars news round up.

-BB8 was amazing. Practical effects always for FTW! Also, did you know BB8 was the original design for R2D2 but at the time, Lucas and company didn't really know how they could pull him off!?

-Loved the Admiral Akbar cameo/return. Wish they would have addressed him by name but after hearing his voice knew it was him. Nien Nunb also returning was neat to see.

-Loved that other alien pilots were featured in the resistance/rebel alliance.

-For a 3D conversion, the movie looked amazing in 3D. As with most 3D movies though, the glasses really darken the picture. I'll be seeing the movie again in 2D and am hoping the picture is much, much brighter.
 
Anyone else feel the final attack on the weapon planet felt kind of empty? Didn't feel the stakes at all. Thought they did a sub-par job of getting across why it was so important to destroy it...nevermind spending more time on letting the impact of 4-5 planets getting eradicated sink in.

I think it may have felt that way because the battle was so damn small. If it was really important there shouldve been some capital ships and way more fighters on both sides. Dont tell me the 95% of the resistances fleet was docked on one of those planets. Btw did they blow up coursicant?
 
Anyone else feel the final attack on the weapon planet felt kind of empty? Didn't feel the stakes at all. Thought they did a sub-par job of getting across why it was so important to destroy it...nevermind not spending more time on letting the impact of 4-5 planets getting eradicated sink in. Felt rushed.

Yeah it didn't impress. The reviews that said that the characters are awesome and the actual plot isn't basically nailed it.

I love Finn, I love Rey, and I fucking love Kylo Ren, but the events going on felt pretty stitched together
 
I think if Obi-Wan had a kid that child would have been taken into consideration as a candidate to defeat Darth Vader in the OT. Ben specifically said that Luke was their last hope and Yoda corrected him saying that there was another (Leia). So it could be possible that Rey is his granddaughter, but it would be sloppy.
Could work, however as with others Obi-Wan & Yoda might just have understood that relation is the only thing that could win.
 
Luke was never the type to make claims that weren't true. We have no reason to not believe he was that good of a pilot.

Hell, every Skywalker we know not named Leia is an ace pilot. Anakin was a top tier pilot. Luke was a top tier pilot. Now Rey.

Luke was a quick study with the training spheres. With Obiwan's Force Ghost helped him reach a calm state of mind, it's not at all ridiculous for him to make the shot.

And it was just that one shot. Which he claimed he could do based on similar experiences on Tatooine.

All this here is saying "He says he's good, so I buy it". This is a shot that is supposed to be nigh impossible to make by trained military pilots, and you're saying you buy the narrative just because Luke says it's the equivelent of shooting some road kill under non-battle conditions.

Luke had 4 years of learning and experience by the end of the OT. Rey didn't. They are not comparable, no matter how hard you try to force that comparison.

I'm not trying to make the comparison, you are. Hell, why would I compare Rey to Luke at the end of the OT in general? A fairer comparison would be to make it to Luke at the end of ANH.

What I'm trying to get across here is that you don't actually have any narrative evidence of Luke's expertise beyond offscreen generalities and the frankly shocking jumps he makes off screen.

Ren had Luke. He now has Snoke. He is the leader of the Knights of Ren which Snoke seems to hold in high regard. He has been training and using the Force for years. He has been fighting with a lightsaber for years.

How is so difficult for you to grasp that Rey beating him in the Force and combat just doesn't compute?

Ren did what with Luke? Who the hell is Snoke and why should we believe he's an expert force use, and what was the extent of his training? What reason do we have to believe Snoke's regard for the knights of Ren means, specifically? Training how? Fight with whom and how?

I have no difficulty grasping it because I understand that star wars pulls bullshit out of it's ass as it's inherent nature. There are star wars books that don't do that, but it's not how the movies work. You can argue it doesn't compute, I won't disagree with you. I'm just not bothered by it, because under the same level of scrutiny, the OT falls apart just as easily.

I mean, listen to your own argument above. Luke is able to make the nigh impossible shot in a large scale military battle because he targeted road kill when he was bored on saturdays in his backwater village? If someone told me the real world equivelent of that, I wouldn't really buy it, not because I think the person saying it is being dishonest, but because there is about a galaxy of difference between doing that and a battle situation. You may as well say playing call of duty is authentic gunbattle experience. And your other argument about the 4 year gap just means your making a whole lot of presumptions about what happened that allow for the logical bridging for his current abilities. Like, what the hell do you think happened in that time that made Luke a better Force user, specifically? You can't answer that because the films don't tell us. So what your doing here is just making the leaps of logic you need to to make the film make sense in your eyes. Which is perfectly fine, we can work with the film to make the story work, it's cool. But you can do that just as easily for your TFA questions. You just have to will yourself to do it. It's certainly possible.

The films have gone out of their way to emphasise that using the Force takes time, patience and training.

The only person we know that was naturally and subconsciously good at it was Anakin, and he couldn't control it. He wasn't even aware of it. And he was Force Jesus.

Rey is not Anakin.

Again, how do you know this? One of the biggest plot points is that we literally don't know her past, because she doesn't know it. If Anakin was Force Jesus, she might be Vampire Slayer Force Jesus Super Star. Literally the only thing established with Rey in connection to the force is that she is STRONG in it. Crazy strong. So therefore she pulls off crazy shit, atleast according to you.

And again, I cannot take the argument that the force takes time, patience and training while saying Luke didn't pull shit out of his ass in ANH and ESB with a straight face. I mean, yeah, Vader was controlling the fight, but at the same time, he was also gushing about how amazing Luke was and how impressive his feats were. Luke was making huge leaps and jumping around all over the place as he was fighting. Vader was impressed, and Luke couldn't have had more than a couple hours worth of training at best.
 
Anyone else feel the final attack on the weapon planet felt kind of empty? Didn't feel the stakes at all. Thought they did a sub-par job of getting across why it was so important to destroy it...nevermind not spending more time on letting the impact of 4-5 planets getting eradicated sink in. Felt rushed.

Yeah, although I liked the fact that Finn wasn't really even there to save the day, he just wanted to rescue Rey. I think it might have been more interesting if they were able to save Rey but not the Resistance's planet.
 
I've read a bit of the EU as well and while that's great, the thing to keep in mind is that the old EU is dead and gone.

We don't know that Rey is actually a Skywalker and we don't know that Skywalker's getting progressively weaker by generation is something that still holds true.

There's also just issues in general with all of that stuff. Lucas' has said Anakin is definitively the chosen one of legend but the PT and TCW have conflicting versions of what the prophecy was supposed to mean (and Lucas was heavily involved in both of those things). Then you have Luke actually being the one to bring about the definition of balance that was believed to be the meaning of the prophecy in the PT. So then TCW reeks of Lucas just changing his mind. And all of that is just Lucas' take on things. Start bringing in the EU as written by a bunch of different authors and the whole thing is a mess.

Indeed. The old EU was a clusterfuck, but it's the only thing we have to go on right now. I'm really interested in seeing how they proceed with Rey, and if they're going to bring the original prophecy into play. In the grand scheme of things, Luke killing off Palpatine did jack shit for the galaxy, or the force in general.

It seems there's always going to be One Sith Lord & Apprentice vs One Jedi Master & Apprentice.

Maybe that is balance.
 
Anyone else feel the final attack on the weapon planet felt kind of empty? Didn't feel the stakes at all. Thought they did a sub-par job of getting across why it was so important to destroy it...nevermind not spending more time on letting the impact of 4-5 planets getting eradicated sink in. Felt rushed.

agree on both.
I didn't even realize it when they hit what they were supposed to hit. I was surprised when they flew away.
and no one caring much about the destroyed seat of the republic is one of the biggest Problems of the film.
 
Rey Kenobi is ok but it's bonkers if Obi-Wan had a kid. Like total nonsense. Dude was a Real-Ass Jedi, those guys don't have passionate flings with Mos Eisley floozies. Especially in light of Ben watching his dear friend Anakin fall to ruin specifically because of an emotional attachment, it's crazy to imagine Ben just had a fling somewhere along the line.

It wouldn't have to be directly in Obi-Wan's lineage. Just someone of Kenobi lineage in general.
 
I'm quite hopeful for stronger ship battle stuff in future projects, so TFA's lacking Starkiller assault didn't really bother me.

But it was indeed lacking.
 
So were all the planets that blew up right next to each other? They were Republic planets, but Maz's planet wasn't? But they're right next to each other? And somehow now the Republic can't help them?
A tremor in the Force when Luke's lightsaber arrived on the planet or somebody tripped over the wire that was charging him.
I like your second explanation best.
 
Here is Pre Vizsla a skill fighter who was the leader of death watch

He couldnt hold has own with any of the jedi he came across, ranging form masters to padawan, if he could hold his what makes you thing rey can.

Who cares what this loser who wasn't the hero of a Star Wars film couldn't do?
 
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That sounds to me like she is Palpatine's daughter. Being Lukes daughter wouldn't be a scary thing for them, Luke is likely more powerful and dangerous to their cause. But the Emperor's daughter?

Doesn't she read the future when she finds the lightsabre? Palpatine did the same thing, reading the future to act accordingly (which is why they went after Luke in the first place, he thought he was the Skywalker that would kill him - when it was the other one all along).

It's not explicitly said but I think Rey might use the dark side of the Force. She is sad and angry that she was left on Jakku. She gets strong enough to match Ren only after Finn is seemingly killed.
 
just watched the movie

love every part of it, although the pace was too fast for me, i give imdb score 8/10

from trailer and posters i always assumed Finn would be a Jedi (or at least the one who strong with the force), so when they revealed Rey was force user, i was really surprised, love this twist

however i still hope Finn is force user, it would be great to see them against Kylo in future episodes

i don't like the idea Rey is skywalker/solo ....i prefer she is nobody, but at some point in the past has received Jedi training from Luke

also i grown up with prequel trilogy, didn't hate it and considering Revenge of The Sith are the best of all of them

that being said, i rank the episodes like this

1. Revenge of The Sith
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Attack of The Clones
7. Empire Strikes Back
I want to get this list tattooed on my forehead just so I can experience the novelty of unalloyed rage wherever I go.
 
All right, I want to know who thought it was a good idea to destroy Starkiller Base? It's the worst misstep with this movie because it makes the state of the universe much less interesting going forward.

Consider this: If Starkiller Base had only been disabled, Finn's relationship with the Resistance, Poe, Leia, and even Rey would've been drastically different upon him waking up. People would no longer trust him, giving him a new arc to earn the place he sought among the Resistance and further cementing his "rise above your beginnings" that his coward-to-hero arc was building to.

Another thing, if Starkiller Base was merely disabled, then the Resistance would be forced to move, going into hiding as they flee from a massive super weapon that could be operational again at any time. In addition, this could give new urgency to Rey finding Luke and being trained in the ways of the Force, with the looming threat of First Order strengthening their position at any time showing their true hand.

Sadly, none of that can happen now in the next film. Other than Rey being trained, I have absolutely no idea what they're going to do with it, but it seems like a shame to throw away something like that when having the Resistance fail to completely destroy it would have been the more interesting thing to do than to pull something this franchise has already done before...twice!
 
I like Domhnall Gleeson but he was horribly miscast, he failed to convey any kind of threaten. Otherwise I was ok with the rest of the cast and their performances, Driver included.
 
Anyone else feel the final attack on the weapon planet felt kind of empty? Didn't feel the stakes at all. Thought they did a sub-par job of getting across why it was so important to destroy it...nevermind not spending more time on letting the impact of 4-5 planets getting eradicated sink in. Felt rushed.

The setup was the worst part of the movie and the execution was just an excuse to have X-wing footage to cut to to pad the climactic saber battle

Why did R2 turn on?

A Skywalker awoke to the force and Luke's saber turned on

I mean, you know, makes as much sense as anything
 
Okay, I watched it today. Loved the movie. Thought i'd share my feeling here, since it'll be going into spoiler territory, versus throwing thoughts in the OT. I just wanted to talk about my biggest 'gripe' with TFA, which is my only major gripe really.

The Force Awakens is the first Star Wars movie whose story is not self-contained to one movie.

I know a lot of people like to point to ESB as ending on a sort-of cliffhanger, but really, it didn't. The movie still resolved all of its plot threads, its just that the majority of those threads ended with our protagonists in very perilous or dangerous places. It seemed sort of silly that TFA spends so much time aping ANH, but somehow doesn't do this one thing in regards to the plot that ANH did so wonderfully. Its really disappointing, cause had they tightened the plot elements up to make this a self-contained SW film, it might be my favorite movie in the entire franchise.

A part of me can't help but take a step-back and blame Disney for over-stuffing the movie with plot points meant to carry the audience into episodes VIII & IX. Disney has seen a ton of success utilizing this same practice with the Marvel movies, but I had hoped they'd resist the temptation here for Star Wars, especially since the audience was coming in with so much trepidation after having gone through the prequel trilogy about a decade ago.
 
That sounds to me like she is Palpatine's daughter. Being Lukes daughter wouldn't be a scary thing for them, Luke is likely more powerful and dangerous to their cause. But the Emperor's daughter?

Doesn't she read the future when she finds the lightsabre? Palpatine did the same thing, reading the future to act accordingly (which is why they went after Luke in the first place, he thought he was the Skywalker that would kill him - when it was the other one all along).

It's not explicitly said but I think Rey might use the dark side of the Force. She is sad and angry that she was left on Jakku. She gets strong enough to match Ren only after Finn is seemingly killed.

Too long of a gap. She isn't thirty+.
 
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The setup was the worst part of the movie and the execution was just an excuse to have X-wing footage to cut to to pad the climactic saber battle



A Skywalker awoke to the force and Luke's saber turned on

I mean, you know, makes as much sense as anything

My theory is that Rey being nearby was a trigger for R2 to wake-up.
 
So I've been looking over old rumors and such, after avoiding them for so long. Many of them that got a lot of the story correct, all mention the opening shot of a tumbling lightsaber and hand, and how the main characters are transporting it throughout the film.

Was this false information, or something that was changed before release? If it was changed later in development, that problems explains why Maz has it without explanation.
 
A Skywalker awoke to the force and Luke's saber turned on

I mean, you know, makes as much sense as anything

I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole, Luke goes into hiding but leaves a map in two pieces thing. Why did he leave a map? With who? What for? Felt way too much like a MacGuffin.
Why did R2 turn on?

So they could continue to space out the OT character introductions.
 
A tremor in the Force when Luke's lightsaber arrived on the planet or somebody tripped over the wire that was charging him.

Yes. I'm thinking along similar lines. That or his lightsaber.

No. Finn had already brought Luke's saber into the same room R2 was in. R2 woke up when Rey got there, triggered by... plot magic I guess. Too many machinas in this. Deus Ex Earthquake, Deux Ex D2. Deus Ex Han Discovering The Falcon. That one also was a terrible example of this movie's space geography making no sense. Han just happened to be close enough to detect and intercept the Falcon within like an hour of it taking off?
 
Doesn't she read the future when she finds the lightsabre? Palpatine did the same thing, reading the future to act accordingly (which is why they went after Luke in the first place, he thought he was the Skywalker that would kill him - when it was the other one all along).

Most Jedi can do this. If you remember in ESB Luke has a vision of Han and Leia being in danger and asks Yoda if he can sense if they'll die. So I don't think it is likely she is related to old Palpy. The thought of Sheev gettin' down is just too terrible to comprehend.

No. Finn had already brought Luke's saber into the same room R2 was in. R2 woke up when Rey got there, triggered by... plot magic I guess. Too many machinas in this. Deus Ex Earthquake, Deux Ex D2. Deus Ex Han Discovering The Falcon. That one also was a terrible example of this movie's space geography making no sense. Han just happened to be close enough to detect and intercept the Falcon within like an hour of it taking off?

So it was Rey that caused the Tremor in the Force, then. These kind of things tend to happen in Star Wars movies. I wouldn't let it bother you.
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole, Luke goes into hiding but leaves a map in two pieces thing. Why did he leave a map? With who? What for? Felt way too much like a MacGuffin.

Luke thought it would be fun. Apparently he thought people would figure it out before ten or so years. Didn't you see all that effort he went to to look impressive at the end?
 
The officers in the Empire were rather subdued. The First Order seems a lot more emotional and fervent.

This could just be how jj directed the actors, or maybe, unlike palpatine who used the dark side to achieve his goals and control everything, snoke is more of a spreader of the dark side and wants to convert a large number of people?
 
No. Finn had already brought Luke's saber into the same room R2 was in. R2 woke up when Rey got there, triggered by... plot magic I guess. Too many machinas in this. Deus Ex Earthquake, Deux Ex D2. Deus Ex Han Discovering The Falcon. That one also was a terrible example of this movie's space geography making no sense. Han just happened to be close enough to detect and intercept the Falcon within like an hour of it taking off?

See my smallness complaints on the last page. Everything feels five minutes away
 
I'm still trying to wrap my head around the whole, Luke goes into hiding but leaves a map in two pieces thing. Why did he leave a map? With who? What for? Felt way too much like a MacGuffin.

I felt like Skywalker purposefully did it and hid the "key" until a time he felt confident that he was either needed desperately or he wouldn't be immediately hunted down by the first order.

Kind of a "I don't want to get involved in this shit unless I have to and the coast is clear"
 
Indeed. The old EU was a clusterfuck, but it's the only thing we have to go on right now. I'm really interested in seeing how they proceed with Rey, and if they're going to bring the original prophecy into play. In the grand scheme of things, Luke killing off Palpatine did jack shit for the galaxy, or the force in general.

It seems there's always going to be One Sith Lord & Apprentice vs One Jedi Master & Apprentice.

Maybe that is balance.

One Master, One Apprentice is an interesting take on balance. But holy shit does that make for a depressing Universe. Destined to be eternally at war because of two opposing ideologies of magical people.

I'd count it 100%.

#ReyKenobi

This just makes me think... what if the swerve is that Rey is both a Skywalker AND a Kenobi. Luke hooked up with Obi-Wan's younger sisters' kid and made a super force baby with the most jacked up family history in the Universe.

That sounds to me like she is Palpatine's daughter. Being Lukes daughter wouldn't be a scary thing for them, Luke is likely more powerful and dangerous to their cause. But the Emperor's daughter?

Doesn't she read the future when she finds the lightsabre? Palpatine did the same thing, reading the future to act accordingly (which is why they went after Luke in the first place, he thought he was the Skywalker that would kill him - when it was the other one all along).

It's not explicitly said but I think Rey might use the dark side of the Force. She is sad and angry that she was left on Jakku. She gets strong enough to match Ren only after Finn is seemingly killed.

Anakin also had Force Premonitions. It's also a common theme for the main characters in SW to walk the line between Light and Dark constantly.
 
My theory is that Rey being nearby was a trigger for R2 to wake-up.
Yup his scanners probably picked up Rey's presence (if she's a Skywalker that would be more significant). That was her first time being on the planet.

Maybe his scanner is sensitive to people with high Midichlorian counts wooooooo
 
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