[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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Maybe Sheev managed to replicate his old master's trick, and created Rey through the Force.
lol, that shit sounds crazy even to me. I never understood Darth Plagueis.
Trojan
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Agreed, I was no a fan of the final shot
But if it was the First Order that found the 'key', he'd be totally screwed.
(On a semi-related note, I did like Ren's like about Rey seeing the island, and he sees the ocean, or something like that. And then the reveal of Luke's island hide away.)
Hop boy, there's a lot going on about this movie in my mind. Need to sleep on it.
Only thing I can say with confidence at the moment though is that Rey NotaSkywalker is great, and all I could have wanted in the protagonist for the new SW trilogy. Daisy Ridley = amazing find as lead actress.
Only thing I can say with confidence at the moment though is that Rey NotaSkywalker is great, and all I could have wanted in the protagonist for the new SW trilogy. Daisy Ridley = amazing find as lead actress.
I'm definitely in that camp. Hokey helicopter shot or not, it clicked for me. (And for Patton Oswalt, too, apparently.)
darkinstinct
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For other potential Jedi to find the Jedi temple. My guess is he uses R2 as the keymaster, for the potential Jedi to get the full map they would a) have to find the piece that is out there in the galaxy and then find their way to R2D2 by ways of the Force who would then have to do a check if the person that brought the map is a good guy or not.
They had to get this out the door and Disney wanted it out this year.
The Technomancer
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But then who is the gatekeeper?
Jest Chillin
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Someone linked something from Reddit earlier in the thread that discussed stuff that was cut from the movie. One of those things was that while R2 was in a low power state, someone near him in the Resistance base recounted that Ren had stated they had the rest of the map from old Empire Archives and R2 had a copy of those Archives from some point in the past. So he activates and shows them the map.
The Technomancer
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This specific thing was said at some point in the movie I'm sure of it
No wonder I love her.
Trojan
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Right, so I'm thinking the key was either Luke turning on R2 remotely (he felt a big change in the force and thought it would be a good time to help others find where he is) or it has something to do with Rey being force sensitive. Fuck haha I don't know I'm probably talking out of my ass.
Jest Chillin
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Satine, and it's possible sure. If she secretly had a kid who later had a kid that ended up being Rey's parent.
Yup. Abrams wanting more time to work the script and preproduction makes a lot of sense now given the story problems. I think they masked most of them with good execution, but they're still there.
Calcium
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I'm pretty sure that was in the movie. I remember hearing that.
Right it's just that that means R2 is Force Sensitive lmao. It wouldn't have been so hard to have a ten second scene of Rey getting a hunch and then presenting the saber to R2. That whole thing was just rushed for no good reason.
Yeup. I'm totally happy to let some coincidence slide in this Space Magic movie, it's just that the complete incoherence of Space Geography really stuck with me. Space and travel just didn't have any weight at all.
Even in IV they spend some downtime on the ship just chilling on their way to Aldaraan.
Bornstellar
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One more thing that bugs the hell outta me.
Why they hell did they think it was a good idea to have a giant holographic jigsaw puzzle?
Why they hell did they think it was a good idea to have a giant holographic jigsaw puzzle?
No wonder she was the weakest link.
The Technomancer
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I can absolutely believe it. I think that if they weren't patterning it so closely to A New Hope we'd all be a lot more critical of it. I'm not necessarily saying that in a bad way, just that by at least inheriting a proven structure the whole thing sort of holds together
Jest Chillin
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Kylo Ren says it to Rey during the interrogation scene. They have the rest of the map from the old Empire Archives but are just missing the one piece.
The Reddit post that was linked suggested that it was the repeating of that information near R2 that was cut.
Poe was the only badass in the film and he was... Unnecessary.
riskybusinesstomcruise
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Yeah, wasn't the map not something that Luke left behind but rather just a map of where the first Jedi temple was located?
Scientist Supreme!
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Wow! You nailed it dude.
No wonder I don't like her at all.
darkinstinct
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There's a midichlorian sensor right under his belly button.
The Technomancer
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This is absolutely an Abrams thing. Both Star Trek movies had the same issue, especially Into Darkness which has the Klingon homeworld literally five minutes or less from Earth
Monocle
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Nope, she was solid. Great performance, and I actually believed her action scenes. Rey kicks ass.
Calcium
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I loved her, she might have been my favorite part of the movie.
Midichlorians in the air.
Razgriz-Specter
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Or he hooked up with Bo-Katan...
They were obviously following the model from the Engineers in Prometheus.
lastplayed
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C'mon, I wish BioWare's characters were that good.
Maul, Dooku, and Grievous aren't even antagonists. They're weak supporting characters or extras with lightsabers. Grievous is just a bunch of moronic special FX, Maul had 2 lines and no character, and Dooku is the worst single misuse of Christopher Lee in cinema history.
Ren wipes the floor with them because I actually want to know what happens to him next.
The comparison is a credit to Rey.
Yeah, they suck. It highlights house badly he was handled. At least his relationship with Finn is mildly interesting.
darkinstinct
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Why would the main part be hidden inside R2D2 if not because Luke planted it there?
I think both her character and Ridley's portrayal were the absolute stand outs in the film. Absolute badass character, and I can't wait to see her grow as the trilogy progresses.
The Technomancer
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How did the various "lookit here!" reveals play for people? I'll be honest, "Chewie we're home" and the R2 reveal both did nothing for me (although the theater cheered) but that initial Milennium Falcon reveal was perfect for me, the timing there as the camera pans over was just ace
I think people are getting too hung up on the "specific training" stuff. These aren't normal humans who require years of training muscle memory and instilling repetitive motions and learning to recognize and respond to physical sensations and make snap judgments based on experience to be able to master the use of a melee weapon, these are super special awesome space wizards who use Mystical Space Magic and are able to "feel" their way through situations and rely on supernatural instincts to act. It's as I said earlier in the thread, who cares if Rey doesn't have formal training in using sword-based weaponry? She has the Force!
It's funny, I think that moment when it pans to show the Falcon elicited the biggest cheer of the night from my audience.
I guess you've never seen the Wizard of Oz?
The only movie that's "self-contained" is A New Hope, and even that's supposed to be a like a serial with some backstory/mystery that isn't fully explained.
Saying Empire is self-contained is absurd. We don't whether Vader is Luke's father for sure, and people debated that for years. They talk about finding Han as well.
Some random ass new Not-Coruscant planet.
I want to know this too. I thought it was Coruscant.
half a moon
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What's up with 4:45am showings? I kind of want to go
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