Spiritreaver
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Someone a bunch of pages back said it was Hosnian or some shit that doesn't even matter.
The only important take away is that it's not Coruscant, lol.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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The only important take away is that it's not Coruscant, lol.
Trojan
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Seeing this movie made me reflect on the rarity of strong female roles there are in sci-fi/fantasy/superhero movies. Just singling out lead female roles is hard enough, and then subtracting out the poorly written ones leaves almost nothing left. Rey is how you write a strong female role in a movie and it was a great breath of fresh air.
It's not Coruscant despite the Republic seemingly would make their capital Coruscant.
Abrams gonna Abrams.
Yeah. I grew up with Ripley and Sarah Conner as my film heroes. Been a while since I felt someone could fill those kind of shoes. I'm really looking forward to taking my daughter to see it.
Calcium
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Finn was a big deal.
Why they hell did they think it was necessary to project a holographic image of the damn Death Star, that Most Iconic of Star Wars iconography. Putting up a Death Star and then putting up Starkiller base right next to it was bad, since the movie had Totally Failed to make Starkiller seem menacing at all. A New Hope pays for the Death Star with Leia watching her family get wiped out, Kenobi being rocked by all the death, Falcon getting stuck in the asteroid field. That threat was present and obvious, Starkiller wiped out 17 trillion people we never met belonging to a nation we don't know anything about on six planets that don't have names and the most we got was a couple people looking up and thinking "bummer". But, you know, it is *bigger* than the Death Star so that's cool right?
Leia's got those too tho. >.>
There's no way to make R2's Force Awakening coherent. Just gotta let is slide as movie expediency.
I realized what I'd done after I'd posted. Damn it.
riskybusinesstomcruise
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True, I suppose I didn't put that together.
lastplayed
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Scientist Supreme!
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They really fumbled this part of the movie. Didn't get any of that.
Probably for the best. Force users seem to do nothing but fuck it up for everyone else
We've seen what happens when either side grows and become too powerful. Jedi start to become arrogant, complacent and start to believe that they should govern, Sith lose order, run rampant and start killing each other — leading to the establishment of the Rule of Two.
If KOTOR's taught me anything, it's that it's time for gray force users to step up. In fact, I can see them building Rey AND Kylo in this direction.
Pre-/KOTOR = Many sith vs few Jedi
Prequels = Many jedi vs few Sith
OG Trilogy = 2 Sith vs 2/1 Jedi
New Trilogy = ??????
That planet / those planets represented the entire (or the bulk of the) Republic fleet. Hux has a line about having swept away the Republic's "precious fleet" in that attack.
I suppose they thought no one actually cares enough for it to be an issue.
I'm not sure if he's right, but I certainly didn't care all that much.
Calcium
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I was joking. I would never explain anything with "Midichlorians" and expect to be taken seriously. If I had to put an explanation down to R2-D2 waking up I'd say that Luke is powerful enough to sense that his daughter had an awakening. He sensed that she was ready and he remotely activated R2 to help her get to him.
Like yours. I can't call her terrible because that'd be Phasma, but she was outshone by basically everyone.
This would be good way to represent how I feel. As a movie on its own it was... OK
The silent scenes in the first act do a beautiful job of helping to define Rey, and Ridley's quietness with Ford carries that forward. She is not much of a talker outside of her scenes with Finn and later Ren, and I like her all the more for it.
If folks want to take all that and shove it aside and claim she has all the nuance of a BioWare MC who will stare awkwardly and borderline creepily off into the aether if the player doesn't input immediate dialogue, well, they're welcome to do so. If they genuinely don't perceive Rey as I do, hey, different strokes. But it is a little bit crazy to me how dull and uninspired and "Mary Sue-ish" some of the claims are.
You know who I dislike? ANH Luke. ROTJ Luke is probably still my favorite character in the franchise, but ANH Luke's shrill line delivery and constant need to be yapping away cheesily doesn't really work for me. Rey's first chapter has me hooked. I have a much stronger emotional bond with her character than I ever would have had with Luke judging by his first episode only, I think. I've sort of been in her (beginning of the movie) shoes a little bit and I reacted similarly. I think she's believably portrayed and Ridley ensures she has a reasonably full spectrum of emotions.
I can't wait to see where she goes.
If folks want to take all that and shove it aside and claim she has all the nuance of a BioWare MC who will stare awkwardly and borderline creepily off into the aether if the player doesn't input immediate dialogue, well, they're welcome to do so. If they genuinely don't perceive Rey as I do, hey, different strokes. But it is a little bit crazy to me how dull and uninspired and "Mary Sue-ish" some of the claims are.
You know who I dislike? ANH Luke. ROTJ Luke is probably still my favorite character in the franchise, but ANH Luke's shrill line delivery and constant need to be yapping away cheesily doesn't really work for me. Rey's first chapter has me hooked. I have a much stronger emotional bond with her character than I ever would have had with Luke judging by his first episode only, I think. I've sort of been in her (beginning of the movie) shoes a little bit and I reacted similarly. I think she's believably portrayed and Ridley ensures she has a reasonably full spectrum of emotions.
I can't wait to see where she goes.
CassidyIzABeast
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no malice intended brethren.
So, they're all right next to each, and also in sight of Maz's planet? Am I getting this right?
Makes sense, after all that's a much, much harder position to argue and therefore requires more effort to do so.
Calcium
Banned
I really loved the scene with her putting on the old Rebel pilot helmet while she ate and watched the skies. It was just perfect.
You've got it as right as the movie does.
Exactly. This is the director who did Star Trek Into Darkness after all.
It really isn't. There is plenty to dislike about Rey. The fact she is a massive Mary Sue is one reason and all that takes is a few examples.
So, so good. Thanks for bringing it up! Excellent example.
This movie is So Fucking Good until Han shows up. Then it's mostly good with many good sequences and interesting ideas but it really just loses coherence.
It's so tight and menacing and clear and personal and then BAM! here's Deus Ex Han and also Two Space Scoundrel Factions and also Some Weird Monster. Deal with all of this at once! The business with Han's freighter is a real stumble and the movie never really got back on track after that for me.
It's so tight and menacing and clear and personal and then BAM! here's Deus Ex Han and also Two Space Scoundrel Factions and also Some Weird Monster. Deal with all of this at once! The business with Han's freighter is a real stumble and the movie never really got back on track after that for me.
Lol, oooh, ouch
Rey didn't feel at all like a Mary Sue. She actually had some adversity to overcome. Discovering you're powerful after an arc doesn't make you an annoyingly flawless character.
Bobby Roberts
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DON'T TELL ME IT DIDN'T HAPPEN
You know, the scene where Rey is trying to fix the Falcon, and Finn is trying to get BB to lie for him?
Probably the best scene in the whole film.
Not just because of the thumbs up (which is the best button on any scene in the film, really) but because of Boyega absolutely selling that the droid is real, not just on set, but REAL, like there's a functioning mind inside of the damn thing and he's not crazy for pleading with a soccer ball. And because of Ridley selling that not only would Boyega be talking to this soccer ball like it's a thing people do every day, but the fucking PERFECT timing on her "look at what I'm pointing at" thing she's doing.
Basically, every aspect of that was fucking brilliant. It's maybe the best example of the film succeeding at what it's trying to do: Taking a well known Star Wars moment, reinterpreting, and making it feel new. That scene isn't any different than Han trying to repair the hyperdrive right before entering the Asteroid Field in Empire. But it's BETTER than that scene (amazingly) because of the interplay between Boyega, the ball, and Ridley.
Scientist Supreme!
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I mean it's fine for us not to care (relatively) but the characters like Leia or Poe don't really seem to be upset or make much of a deal that their capital is blown up.
Also, Rey already proved herself a reasonably capable fighter earlier in the movie when she fended off two thugs on Jakku.
I was thinking the film starts to fall apart at Maz's place but yea it might be the freighter instead.
The Technomancer
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I would agree with this. She did well with what she had, but the whole middle section of the movie feels thin for her. Beginning: strong character establishment. End: exciting force awakening. Middle: She...wants to get the droid to the resistance because...awe for old legends and Stop the Baddies? Until her hallucination suddenly gives her the shivers and something she was totally committed to is now something she runs from? The best moment was her reaction when Han offers her a job, but it felt a bit isolated in the middle of the rest of everything
btw
can we all agree Phasma got Boba Fett'd waaaay harder than Fett himself?
Oh man yes. Minute I saw what they were, I went "you gotta be shitting me"
can we all agree Phasma got Boba Fett'd waaaay harder than Fett himself?
Oh man yes. Minute I saw what they were, I went "you gotta be shitting me"
This is fair I think. She doesn't develop as a character much if at all.
The Technomancer
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Oh god the BB-8 thumbs up might be my favorite moment in the whole movie. So good
nephilimdj
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Force sensitive tree? maybe he has a seedling inside him
I still dont get the Kenobi theroys, finn being related to mace windu is just as likely (I mean u never saw him die, and jedis like surviving falls)
half a moon
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I need a thumb up video
Calcium
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We had too many villains as it is. I'm perfecty fine with the Knights of Ren being saved for the sequels. A trained Rey fighting the KoR sounds pretty awesome.
LookAtMeGo
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Guys... Rey means "king" and the last "king" was Emperor Palpatine.... POETRY!
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