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[obin_gam]

Anyone gotten the novelization yet?
Just bought it myself on audible, hoping it's as good as the movie

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I think the most iconic scene in A New Hope is Luke gazing into the sky with two suns, with the John Williams score coming into the foreground. I don't think there's a scene anywhere near as good in this film. This is definitely a film of its time and I agree its not a good thing.

I don't think the movie even was capable of lingering on a single shot that long. The entire thing felt so rushed to me; never a moment to rest, it was just constant movement to the next plot point

 

[kurahador]

lol, what adversity?

Rey just so happens to be a skilled mechanic, ace pilot, amazing staff fighter, sword duelist and apparently the Second Coming of Force Jesus, and she has a heart of gold, no character flaws and kicks the villain's ass in two minutes?

Come the fuck on. She is the biggest Mary Sue I've seen in years.

She has no weaknesses, she's not vulnerable, she doesn't need anyone's help - seriously, what?

Rey's flaw comes from the fact she can't deal with her perfectness.

 

[Spiritreaver]

So what happened to the Finalizer? Hux's Star Destroyer.

 

[BuggyDClown]

Why does anyone assume a lightsaber is hard to use?

It shouldnt be tougher to wild than a toy one. It should be light and swift..

Now to be skilled is another thing.

Don't forget Rey has plenty of melee experience with her staff, she had a tough upbringing (also likely Lukes daughter)

 

[riverboatgambler]

How is that true though? Rey is someone who is strong and independent because her situation forced her to be in order to survive. But deep down she was clearly just hoping for her parents to come back and make it all okay, basically telling herself that if she just hung on, one day everything is will magically fixed.

After meeting Finn, she is forced to confront that false hope she was clinging to, several characters interact with her specifically to move her along that path. First Han offers her a job with him, then Maz tells her about the saber calling to her and the ways of the force, and even Ren contributes by reading her emotions and putting them in context as a stranger, telling her that she knows deep down that what she wants is not going to happen. All of this happens over the course of the film, and in the end when she finally accepts her destiny, it leads her to Luke. Whatever happens after this, I don't think we can say that she didn't have that sort of journey where others influenced her and eventually she made a choice that put her on a new path in her life.

This isn't deep stuff or whatever, but it is clearly there.

I think its form over content. I agree the content is there, but part of the problem with this kind of pacing is character arcs become a lot harder to build.

 

[pupcoffee]

I'm getting tired of the "It's A New Hope AGAIN" comments. No. Luke didn't even begin his Hero's journey until Empire, in A New Hope he was pretty much a kid being shown what the galaxy looks like. This movie had a lot more going on than A New Hope.

 

[Not]

How is that true though? Rey is someone who is strong and independent because her situation forced her to be in order to survive. But deep down she was clearly just hoping for her parents to come back and make it all okay, basically telling herself that if she just hung on, one day everything is will magically fixed.

After meeting Finn, she is forced to confront that false hope she was clinging to, several characters interact with her specifically to move her along that path. First Han offers her a job with him, then Maz tells her about the saber calling to her and the ways of the force, and even Ren contributes by reading her emotions and putting them in context as a stranger, telling her that she knows deep down that what she wants is not going to happen. All of this happens over the course of the film, and in the end when she finally accepts her destiny, it leads her to Luke. Whatever happens after this, I don't think we can say that she didn't have that sort of journey where others influenced her and eventually she made a choice that put her on a new path in her life.

This isn't deep stuff or whatever, but it is clearly there.

Yes. Glad other people remember the movie better than I do. Retention isn't one of my skills.

 

[JeffZero]

Unless she is a descendant of some Old Republic super jedi, she just makes no sense. She knows and can do everything. Instantly. She is basically a force being.

It doesn't feel quite that absurd to me. I should note though that the laws which govern Star Wars' ideas of the Force have never interested me enough to warrant investigation. She got a real wave of understanding from her interrogation scene, I imagine. Ren gave her plenty to think about in a very short period of time. He inadvertently gave her the keys to a few pretty impressive moments. I'm sure that doesn't sync up with all sorts of preconceived notions but it just made for an enjoyable self-discovery set to the high fantasy beats of the franchise for me.

No doubt there were better ways to portray that. I tend to think that about a lot of things "Star Wars" though. End of the day, what matters to me is that Daisy Ridley impressed.

 

[Won]

Saw this yesterday. Decided to sleep over it, but my first impressions haven't changed. Didn't expect much from the movie, even before JJ was attached and I guess my expectations were met. Disney was going to play it safe and a safe movie we got. A new Hope for a new generation is probably something that was already said a lot. I hope they now have that out of their system and can move forward with the franchise.

Overall I really enjoyed the first part of the movie. All the new characters are likeable and had some great banter. Looking forward to some Finn and Poe buddy action. Didn't really care about the whole "vaginas on a spaceship" and Maz parts of the movie.
And I do think the movie went downhill once they blew up the New Reoublic (lol). Splitting up the new cast after showing so much promise was just dumb and no, I personally just can't get myself engaged into another attack on a super weapon. Especially if you do the whole countdown shtick. Goddamit.

Some random musing:
- Happy to have a strong female lead in such a big franchise. Especially since on the other end of Disney, Marvel only offers excuses on that front. Was good to see to have her fight with a saber already, no matter if that makes sense or not, or any other flaws (or the lack thereof) of the character. (for now)
- I could hate on Maz and Snoke CG, but I will just applaud the movie for it's practical effects and make-up. Jakku especially was a joy to watch.
- JJ sucks at world building. Never felt the galaxy of Star Wars that small.
- The Resistance downsized hard from it's RotJ rebel days. You have to do a bombing run on a big as target and no bombers? No crusiers to give some support? Just a bunch of X-Wings? Even ANH had Y-Wings. Also again lol @ the "New Republic".
- What was the whole Phasma spiel about? Was she just there to sell toys? Is she supposed to be the new Boba Fett?
- On topic on toys, as someone who collects and plays the X-Wing Miniature game, this movie sure is lacking on new and cool looking ships.
- As such I hope they at least destroy the Falcon in the next movie and give us something new here.
- I'm gonna ship FinnxPoe and ReyxBen.

Probably a lot more to nitpick. Overall I had a decent time. Just was hoping for a little more.

 

[Moonkid]

Just got back from my second viewing, nothing much drastically changed in my view which is good because now I feel more secure in saying it's a good film. Two small things were that:

-Only the Resistance calls Snoke 'Snoke,' the First Order always refer to him as the Supreme Leader.

-C-3PO's arm is seen to be fixed when the Millennium Falcon takes off at the end with Rey and co.

While the second act wasn't as bad as I remembered it, I do feel that like many have suggested they should have delayed Kylo's unmasking. And for the ending, the small sequence of Rey climbing the island to find Luke felt a bit underwhelming. Instead to tie things up thematically, it is called the force awakens, I felt that they should have cut to Luke immediately after the Falcon takes off. Rey hasn't arrived yet and Luke could start some kind of monologue, then cutting to Kylo and co. meeting up with Snoke which crosscuts to Rey now walking up the island. Ties up the loose ends on the First Order's side and feels more like a conclusion to the force awakening, as well as giving Luke some actual lines.

 

[Frog-fu]

Honestly the story I'm most interested to hear more of is Finn's. We know that the Jakku landing was his first combat mission, but what was his life as a stormtrooper like before that? What's it like to be raised, nameless, since early childhood as a disposable soldier? And what exactly happened that first time on Jakku? Was he a believer in the First Order before seeing the horrors of violence for himself the first time? Or was he already skeptical and worried about what he was going to have to do? There's a lot of interesting material that I want to see to understand what brought him to that point

What I want to see next from Finn is what I think would be the logical progression: I want him to start looking into where he comes from.

I don't want him to have some secret magical lineage, I just want him to care about the injustice that was done to him and his fellow troopers, and I want him to be curious - as I imagine we all would be - in where he comes from and for that to inform what he decides to do next, perhaps pushing him to fighting for the Resistance as a true believer or becoming a Jedi.

Most importantly I want Phasma to be integral to that arc. I think she would have access to the information he seeks and there would be plenty of opportunity for it to be divulged considering she has all the motivation in the galaxy to hunt him down.

In my mind, Finn eventually tracks down his family to some backwater rock, sees them living humble and peaceful lives from afar, and then decides that it's worth fighting to protect them and people like them. He would find an answer to what he should be fighting for and be at peace with that.

So I'm going to read this thread now to see if people brought this up, but I had to ask..

Did anyone cringe every time a lightsaber showed up? I should specify outside of Kylo.

Even if we put all EU stuff aside, a lightsaber should still require some skill and training to use. But Finn can instantly swing it around and properly parry?

Kylo is a former apprentice of Luke fuckin Skywalker. Disregard that his training wasn't complete, he should be able to mutilate Finn instantly. Rey as well.

And for Rey to be as good as she was for the first time she ever holds a lightsaber.. it's just insane. What we're basically seeing is she's even more force sensitive than Anakin was because with absolutely zero force training she can mind block/trick, push/pull, and fight a former jedi apprentice with a lightsaber on equal grounds.

Perhaps we find out she's some super force monster who is even more chosen than Anakin, but this stuff just really took me out of it. A lot of people thought the prequel trilogy cheapened the gravitas of lightsaber combat, but man, this movie just threw it in the trash.

Read a few pages back. I've been posting about it for a while now.

 

[diaspora]

She has to be badgered by BB-8 to help and then almost sells the droid for food. She wants to run back home after she hands BB-8 off safely and doesn't accept Luke's lightsaber until near the end. She doesn't seem interested in fighting with the Resistance. Her relationship changes with Finn and Han. She goes from passively waiting for her parents to come back for her to seeking out things in the world.

She certainly has as much of an arc as Han Solo does in ANH.

Rey was helping BB when they first met, little had changed.

 

[bunbun777]

Finn is a plant from snoke. Programmed with just enough remorse to think he is acting independently.

 

[I'm an expert]

Why does anyone assume a lightsaber is hard to use?

It shouldnt be tougher to wild than a toy one. It should be light and swift..

Now to be skilled is another thing.

Don't forget Rey has plenty of melee experience with her staff, she had a tough upbringing (also likely Lukes daughter)

If you were to pick up a katana now and someone who knew how to use one swung at you twice, you would get hit twice. You would not be able to block/parry the way Finn (never used a lightsaber) does against Kylo (trained by the greatest jedi, even if for 10 mins).

 

[Radogol]

Ren is better trained and a better fighter, but he is at the absolute weakest of his abilities right now due the freshness of his patricide, while Rey has just been symbolically born anew. That's what tipped the odds in her favor.

As important as his mental state is, I wouldn't completely gloss over the fact that Ben got shot with a cannon before the fight. A cannon that sends regular stormtroopers flying.

 

[MMarston]

I'm getting tired of the "It's A New Hope AGAIN" comments. No. Luke didn't even begin his Hero's journey until Empire, in A New Hope he was pretty much a kid being shown what the galaxy looks like. This movie had a lot more going on than A New Hope.

Character arc aside, it's as New Hope as it gets. It's basically some Empire character building inserted into New Hope

 

[JeffZero]

She's like if you took Revan's abilities and gave it to an NPC.

You're really wearing this into the ground.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

I think I'm going to bow out of the debate, since it's getting pretty late and this is one of those fanboy debates that could go on until a participant collapses on their computer out of weariness and dehydration.

Instead, given that there are 2 main points of contention about Ray's capabilities, I will address them as best I can.

The Final Battle

A lot of people have been focused on speculating about Kylo Ren's abilities and training and fighting condition. But I think we've been forgetting one very important thing: Emotional stability is the largest key to victory in a force battle (assuming high ground isn't available). Obiwan only lost the fight with Vader not because Vader outclassed him, but because he deliberately allowed himself to take a hit so he could become a ghost that haunts Luke. He was the more emotionally stable of the two, and he was perfectly matched with Vader. And it should be noted that Luke was at the height of his power when he talked to Vader in RotJ, while Vader was at his weakest when he was torn between wanting to play the dark side part and loving his son. The emotional stability burned him up, and Luke finally bested him when he was fully focused on protecting someone he loved: his sister. Momentarily, there was no conflict there. It's only when he realized that he was his father did he put down his lightsaber, and then he was downed by the emperor's lighting. Because it was a sneak attack, perhaps, but it was also by coincidence a emotional struggle for him to decide whether to be angry and protect his sister, or be merciful and save his father.

So lets ask: How is Kylo Ren feeling at the time of the battle? Dude just stabbed Han Solo, his own dad, with his flaring lightsaber and looked into his eyes as he died and fell away. He couldn't even do it himself, he had to have his father 'help' him. If he was unstable before, what about now? I doubt that his struggle is over by any measure. If anything, he's even more anguished by the thought. The problem is that the dude has sentimentality and he knows it and he thought killing his father would kill it, but it didn't. Half the time of through the fight he looks like he's holding back the biggest pain in his face, beating his wound almost like he's punishing himself, perhaps believing that pain gives him strength.

Meanwhile, people call bullshit about Rey being reminded of the force being the key to her winning, but.....well, isn't that how it's always worked with Luke? Rey is introduced as a character looking for identity. She wants to believe that her family will come back for her, but being so dependent on a connection that will never return left her as this random scavenger in this random desert world, with no body there to be with. Her only relationship there was her bringing parts to that one scumbag. Her only identity is as a lost scavenger. Her character development has been about finding her roots as a pilot and now as a force user. That was what the entire episode with the orange lady yoda was about. And then, she constantly used the force to escape the First Order's base. So when she remembers that she is a force user, she is finally taking the mantle of her new identity as a Jedi to heart, and that is empowering....emotionally, and therefore, as far as the force is concerned, physically.

Ren is better trained and a better fighter, but he is at the absolute weakest of his abilities right now due the freshness of his patricide, while Rey has just been symbolically born anew. That's what tipped the odds in her favor.

The fight was not about who can swing a sword the best, it was about their internal motivations and struggles, their will. Rey finally decides to move forward in her life and leave 'Jakku' behind, meanwhile Ren's final commitment to the dark side by killing Han doesn't provide him the solace he was searching for, if anything it has made him even more conflicted and tormented. Ren is trying to convince himself as much as he is Rey when talking to her during the fight.

This is like complaining that Obi Wan didn't put up a better fight against Vader in the original, you're missing the larger point.

The fight isn't just about their combat proficiency or skill with techniques. Ren isn't just trying to get Rey to join him, he's trying to convince himself he's done the right thing by killing Han; if he's not the right teacher/guide for Rey, then it means Snoke isn't the teacher he should have been following either.

The film even goes out of its way to try to satisfy pedantic fans by pointing out his bleeding torso, repeated self-hitting of his wound, and general mental strife.

Aw yiss, Veelk and I on the same team for once.

 

[riskybusinesstomcruise]

Why does anyone assume a lightsaber is hard to use?

It shouldnt be tougher to wild than a toy one. It should be light and swift..

Now to be skilled is another thing.

Don't forget Rey has plenty of melee experience with her staff, she had a tough upbringing (also likely Lukes daughter)

There is supposed to be an intense vibration and gyration when ignited I believe.

 

[diaspora]

As important as his mental state is, I wouldn't completely gloss over the fact that Ben got shot with a cannon before the fight. A cannon that sends regular stormtroopers flying.

Yeah, dude's guts must have been spilling out.

 

[Not]

Rey was helping BB when they first met, little had changed.

But that wasn't part of her accepting her destiny or helping a larger cause or whatever, that was just protecting a being from another being known for being greedy/ruthless.

 

[pupcoffee]

Character arc aside, it's as New Hope as it gets. It's basically some Empire character building inserted into New Hope

Which gives it more substance than A New Hope, in my opinion. ANH was about world-building, not developing the characters, which still worked brilliantly,but Force Awakens is a different level.

 

[Veelk]

As important as his mental state is, I wouldn't completely gloss over the fact that Ben got shot with a cannon before the fight. A cannon that sends regular stormtroopers flying.

True, that's another factor, but people apparently aren't satisfied with that.

Being shot with a canon + patricidal anguish + Rey having had her identity re-affirmed for herself....if it's enough is up to individuals, but it's something to work with it.

 

[Einchy]

If you were to pick up a katana now and someone who knew how to use one swung at you twice, you would get hit twice. You would not be able to block/parry the way Finn (never used a lightsaber) does against Kylo (trained by the greatest jedi, even if for 10 mins).

What if that person had just been shot with a huge gun and had killed his father minutes before? Think I'd be able to block a few times before I got my ass kicked? Which is what happened to Finn. Finn just blocked, nicked Kylo and then got shit on.

[edit]

I feel like I've made this exact post a few times today.

 

[diaspora]

But that wasn't part of her accepting her destiny or helping a larger cause or whatever, that was just protecting a being from another being known for being greedy/ruthless.

That's what I'm saying, she's doesn't evolve as a character. She's who she is from start until the point where she decides to leave Jakku behind.

Edit: the accepting destiny part will always be shitty. Always.

 

[jman2050]

Why does anyone assume a lightsaber is hard to use?

It shouldnt be tougher to wild than a toy one. It should be light and swift..

Now to be skilled is another thing.

Don't forget Rey has plenty of melee experience with her staff, she had a tough upbringing (also likely Lukes daughter)

Well, if you screw up while handling a staff, the worst thing that can happen is you either fumble it around or hit yourself or something to that effect. If you screw up while handling a lightsaber you cut your own arm off.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

I was watching the Jakku escape like Yo...she might be a better pilot than Han. Cuts power to the engine to line up a perfect shot for Finn? WTF

Poe would have asked for her hand in marriage if he saw that shit.

 

[Calcium]

Being shot with a canon + patricidal anguish + Rey having had her identity re-affirmed for herself....if it's enough is up to individuals, but it's something to work with it.

Kylo Ren was also injured in the fight against Finn. So all that added up makes for a reasonable explanation for Rey winning out.

 

[Veelk]

Aw yiss, Veelk and I on the same team for once.

Yes...Join me, and together, we can rule Gaf!

 

[MMarston]

Which gives it more substance than A New Hope, in my opinion. ANH was about world-building moreso than the characters, which worked brilliantly, but still. Force Awakens is a different level.

Sure, but you have to admit that it could have been utilized a lot better without another "we desperately need to blow this battlestation up ASAP" kind of conflict. Especially when its happened twice before.

 

[Frog-fu]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

He wasn't.

If he were, why would he be trying to recruit Rey? That makes no sense.

 

[CaviarMeths]

The worst thing is now having to wait 1.5 years to see Rey kick some ass.

 

[pupcoffee]

Sure, but you have to admit that it could have been utilized a lot better without another "we desperately need to blow this battlestation up ASAP" kind of conflict. Especially when its happened twice before.

I have to admit that!

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

It's not desperate at all.

It's obvious.

 

[Tom Nook Sawyer]

I'm getting tired of the "It's A New Hope AGAIN" comments. No. Luke didn't even begin his Hero's journey until Empire, in A New Hope he was pretty much a kid being shown what the galaxy looks like. This movie had a lot more going on than A New Hope.

You're right. They sprinkled in some Empire too.

So original

 

[JeffZero]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

He wasn't.

If he were, why would he be trying to recruit Rey? That makes no sense.

I found his sudden outburst of her needing a teacher during their duel to be a defining moment in the portrayal of his being compromised. I even cited it to friends after the film ended. Driver's delivery (heh) was very unhinged.

"Wait, ha! Y, you need a teacher!" It was kind of like that.

 

[captjohnboyd]

I've only just skimmed the thread cause I had sleep then a double at work right after seeing it last night but I LOVED it. I was worried the similarities between it and a New Hope would bog it down for me but coming out of it I thought it was the perfect choice after having been so alienated by the prequels. I also felt there was enough different to set it apart.

I don't ever remember being so glued to the seat in suspense at any Star Wars movie and I've seen them all in the theater. I will play devil's advocate though and say it may have had something to do with my entire theater being filled with geeks having star wars orgasms all over. I just couldn't help but get swept up in it, it was so much fun.

Perhaps the call backs to New Hope were okay for me as part of the older generation the movie just has such a strong sentimental hold on me. I remember having a picture story book with little audio clips and blaster/tie fighter sounds I could activate while reading it. I literally read the thing until it fell apart in my hands. That kind of magic is hard to replicate but JJ did as well as could be hoped in my estimation. Sure it had it's faults but I think some people are losing sight of the fact that OT trilogy had its fair share too. They were basically childrens fairy tales that just so happened to appeal to a large adult demographic as well. All the "coincidences" that happen in star wars (TFA as well) really feel like part of the magic to me. Not some shitty deus ex routine, but maybe even the writers have a sense that anything can happen in this galaxy it's a magical place

I have to say two more things. I thought Rey was fantastic, I don't doubt for a second she held her own against Kylo. Obviously the force was starting to come on strong for her and it had already been made clear that Kylo's powers are much better served force pushing, choking, etc than actual sword fighting. He's scary as shit but he's a big time apprentice.

As for Kylo I actually really appreciated him taking his mask off. If anything I thought he was even more disturbing after the fact because you could just see his humanity oozing away. That's really a testament to Adam Driver though. Guy is an amazing actor and he plays barely contained rage AND empathy as well as anyone else acting today. Unlike Hayden who really only ever came off as a petulant brat who just flipped one day; You could see Adam knew exactly what he was doing and while he was too weak/didn't want to stop it doesnt matter. He's well aware of what sort of human being he is and embracing the dark side fully won't stop him from thinking he's a huge piece of shit. I seriously appreciated the pathos he and the writers brought to his character and I don't think it could ever have been pulled off with the helmet on most of the movie. We needed to see his eyes to appreciate his breakdown when he's realizing he may not have the answer to everything Rey throws at him. Or when he kills his father. Regardless of whether or not we all saw it coming the scene still needed to have weight. Bravo on him for delivering on it.

One last thing. I'm pumped to see how he turns out next movie. He's obviously following in his grandfathers foot steps in more ways than one. He got Jacked up in that fight and is obviously gonna need some serious cybernetics. It'll be a hell of a lot of fun to see where they take us next

 

[kurahador]

Sure, but you have to admit that it could have been utilized a lot better without another "we desperately need to blow this battlestation up ASAP" kind of conflict. Especially when its happened twice before.

Thrice if you count Phantom Menace where kid Anakin accidentally blow up the space station.

 

[Frog-fu]

It's not desperate at all.

It's obvious.

It's so obvious that Ren maintains perfect discipline in fighting and tries to recruit Rey to his side.

It's not obvious at all. Y'all should try some yoga with all this stretching.

 

[Calcium]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

He wasn't.

If he were, why would he be trying to recruit Rey? That makes no sense.

How is you claiming he wasn't mentally compromised also reaching, then? There is evidence to support that Kylo would be a little fucked in the head after everything that just happened to him. He tries to recruit Rey because he starts to doubt his ability to win. So he tries to seduce her with power and bring her to the Dark Side.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

It's so obvious that Ren maintains perfect discipline in fighting.

he doesn't.

This will likely become way more obvious to you on second viewing.

 

[Veelk]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

He wasn't.

If he were, why would he be trying to recruit Rey? That makes no sense.

Okay, this is just willful denial of the events of the film.

Guy looks that he's barely holding himself together, beating his grevious wound in a self flagilating gesture, and just killed his father who he outright states he still had feelings of love for.

YUP, THIS GUY'S MIND IS STRAIGHT AS AN ARROW, NO MENTAL COMPROMISE HERE

 

[JeffZero]

It's so obvious that Ren maintains perfect discipline in fighting and tries to recruit Rey to his side.

It's not obvious at all. Y'all should try some yoga with all this stretching.

The recruitment effort was among Driver's most blatantly unhinged performances.

 

[CaviarMeths]

You're right. They sprinkled in some Empire too.

So original

Star Wars wasn't even original in 1957, let alone 1977.

This is the exact movie people have been asking for since 1983, maybe even 1980. Oh nooo, it's too similar to the movies we criticized the prequels for not being similar enough to.

 

[Miracle]

Haters gun hate on Rey. I thought she was the highlight of the movie. She's a badass and Daisy made her come to life.

Feel the same way. I loved most of the characters pretty much, and that's usually rare for me.

I didn't expect to like Finn so much either. I thought he was gonna be a drama queen and super serious all the time but he was hilarious, had a ton of "keeping it real" moments, and looks like he will have great chemistry with Poe.

Great casting overall. My only gripe is like most people, is Phasma. Then again, I expect her to have a much bigger role in the next episode.

 

[I'm an expert]

Also Phasma is in this movie for literally 45 seconds. I feel bad they made the actress go on the media tour. She is barely in the movie.

 

[Frog-fu]

How is you claiming he wasn't mentally compromised also reaching, then? There is evidence to support that Kylo would be a little fucked in the head after everything that just happened to him. He tries to recruit Rey because he starts to doubt his ability to win. So he tries to seduce her with power and bring her to the Dark Side.

No, it's not, because his body language and discipline in fighting doesn't suggest it all.

You really think Ren is the type to doubt his ability to beat a girl he knows has no training? One he has on the edge of chasm and a mere push away from death?

Jesus.

 

[Einchy]

I don't know why people are so desperately reaching in arguing Ren was mentally compromised.

He wasn't.

If he were, why would he be trying to recruit Rey? That makes no sense.

Ren was mentally compromised the moment we saw him. Before he killed Han he spoke about how he felt like the dark side was tearing him apart and he was scared to kill his own father to completely switch to it.

I've said this before but before he fought Rey (or maybe Finn) there's a close up of his face and you can tell he's completely freaking the fuck out. He just got shot, he killed his father and now he's chasing after some people in the woods. This is a dude who we've seen isn't fully in control of his emotions, I don't think it's a stretch to imagine that he was pretty mentally compromised during the duel considering what just conspired.

 

[Anth0ny]

officially bought a ticket to viewing #2 tomorrow at 4:30PM. this time, Imax 3D

actually got it for free thanks to scene points <3