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[Astral Dog]

Do you think they are going to do an extended edition like the Hobbit/ new Star Wars stuff? Soon, this movie needed a few more scenes was too short

 

[kurahador]

I can't understand why Finn wasn't up and about at the end saying goodbye to Rey. Maybe it was just to make sure he didn't meet Luke yet.

Or there's going to be some silly amnesia sub-plot in the next film...

I was thinking it's more like Rey and Finn won't meet until the very end of VIII or IX.

 

[Sickboy007]

Breathing is certainly what he's best at.

Hey I love my boy Finn, he's the Krillin of the Star Wars universe.

 

[Haloid1177]

Do you think they are going to do an extended edition like the Hobbit/ new Star Wars stuff? Soon, this movie needed a few more scenes was too short

So like a special edition?

 

[DrForester]

I thought the opposite. The lightsaber duels were clumsy and lacked grace and fluidity that even the OT films had. Like JJ wanted to move away from the prequel style, but he went too far in that direction.

You had a fight between a guy who was injured and two people who really didn't know what they were doing. Grace and fluidity would have felt out of place.

It felt like an actual sword fight where they were trying to hurt each other, and not just hit their dance routine marks.

 

[Astral Dog]

So like a special edition?

STAR WARS Special Edition

 

[Sojgat]

People think Finn was dead?

He was uncovered in a medical bay with machines hooked up to him. He was in a coma or something.

 

[maquiladora]

Do you think they are going to do an extended edition like the Hobbit/ new Star Wars stuff? Soon, this movie needed a few more scenes was too short

Certainly felt like the final scene was shortened. Not sure I like the idea of multiple editions of this film though.

 

[mcrommert]

I liked it but in many ways the film felt hamstrung by being made by a Star Wars fan.

Certain things just seem inconsistent with what we know from the original films and because there's not much rhyme or reason, come across as simple imitations of the themes and actors from the original films:

The First Order are just Empire 2.0, there's no explanation for who they are or what their motivations are, the extent of their powers or why they're still around after the Emperor was defeated.

The New Republic is some extras in Coruscant. Why, if the Empire was defeated, is the New Republic not the official opposition of the First Order? The name "Resistance" also implies an underground movement against an occupying force, but the actual balance of power is never addressed. The Resistance, despite being on the winning side of history, are scrappy underdogs with rag tag equipment again, just because. Their base is overgrown again, just like it was on Yavin, remember that guys?

With this lack of world building, it feels so uninspired, just retreading old tropes for the sake of familiarity. This is actually something the film did worse than the prequels.

Of course there's another planet destroying super weapon but somehow it's barely of any consequence that billions of people just got murdered when they destroy Coruscant.

It annoys me how proficient Rey is with the force with zero training.

It annoys me how lazy the infiltration of Starkiller Base was. The shields were lowered because we bumped into Captain Phasma, who just complies when asked at gunpoint without any resistance and is dispatched offscreen with another reference to ANH. This, despite Phasma being presented as a powerful, merciless figure who fully subscribes to whatever the ideology the First Order has. If Phasma does't return it strikes me as such a waste of good character design.

Speaking of character design, Snoke sucks and we shouldn't have seen him. The film showed its hand too early with Kylo as well, we should have seen his face first when he encounters Han.

Lastly, what the hell was going on with that last shot before the credits, The one thing all the films managed to do, even the prequels, was establish lasting final shots before the credits. The last show in TFA was just weird, it looked like something out of a TV movie, spinning aerial shot of an inadequately staged area. Fuck.

I did actually like the movie, BB 8 stole the show for me, but god damn ther more I think about it the more things I find wrong with it.

Agree with most. Btw it was coruscant that was destroyed...republic was based on chandrilla

 

[richiek]

You don't necessarily need the Force not to harm yourself... After all, real life swordsmen don't constantly poke themselves. All it takes is physical training, which Finn has probably had. If the New Order works anything like an actual military, they surely train their troops physically as well.

I think you just need the Force to defeat someone who also uses the Force. This is because Force sensitive people can 'sense' their opponents, giving them an advantage.

Agreed, but Force users are able to use their swords to fight effectively against opponents using blasters. Non Force users would be killed quickly using a melee weapon like a lightsaber.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

It's Not Coruscant

 

[Gorillaz]

That was the best bit. Adam Driver is a fucking genius you KNOW he came up with that shit.

I thought that at first too, like he had to have thrown that shit in after watching some fight compilations or some shit.

 

[Chiggs]

I really don't get why people keep acting like Rey beating Ren was unrealistic even though he was hurt to the point where he had to keep beating his wound to stay conscious.

I thought he was just doing that to make himself angry and look tough?

 

[mcrommert]

I thought the opposite. The lightsaber duels were clumsy and lacked grace and fluidity that even the OT films had. Like JJ wanted to move away from the prequel style, but he went too far in that direction.

Best thing about this movie...lightsaber duels were exactly right...between two trained Jedi they could be more like roj but for two untrained, barely trained this was excellent

 

[M_to_P]

Loved the movie, had a lot of great moments and a couple of emotional ones seeing it.

By the way, does anyone know which song plays in this trailer? https://youtu.be/7XNit858b6I
Around the 0:50 mark, it isn't on the soundtrack and i can't remember if it's in the movie, help would be greatly appreciated.

 

[SpotAnime]

I liked it but in many ways the film felt hamstrung by being made by a Star Wars fan.

Certain things just seem inconsistent with what we know from the original films and because there's not much rhyme or reason, come across as simple imitations of the themes and actors from the original films:

The First Order are just Empire 2.0, there's no explanation for who they are or what their motivations are, the extent of their powers or why they're still around after the Emperor was defeated.

The New Republic is some extras in Coruscant. Why, if the Empire was defeated, is the New Republic not the official opposition of the First Order? The name "Resistance" also implies an underground movement against an occupying force, but the actual balance of power is never addressed. The Resistance, despite being on the winning side of history, are scrappy underdogs with rag tag equipment again, just because. Their base is overgrown again, just like it was on Yavin, remember that guys?

With this lack of world building, it feels so uninspired, just retreading old tropes for the sake of familiarity. This is actually something the film did worse than the prequels.

Of course there's another planet destroying super weapon but somehow it's barely of any consequence that billions of people just got murdered when they destroy Coruscant.

It annoys me how proficient Rey is with the force with zero training.

It annoys me how lazy the infiltration of Starkiller Base was. The shields were lowered because we bumped into Captain Phasma, who just complies when asked at gunpoint without any resistance and is dispatched offscreen with another reference to ANH. This, despite Phasma being presented as a powerful, merciless figure who fully subscribes to whatever the ideology the First Order has. If Phasma does't return it strikes me as such a waste of good character design.

Speaking of character design, Snoke sucks and we shouldn't have seen him. The film showed its hand too early with Kylo as well, we should have seen his face first when he encounters Han.

Lastly, what the hell was going on with that last shot before the credits, The one thing all the films managed to do, even the prequels, was establish lasting final shots before the credits. The last show in TFA was just weird, it looked like something out of a TV movie, spinning aerial shot of an inadequately staged area. Fuck.

I did actually like the movie, BB 8 stole the show for me, but god damn ther more I think about it the more things I find wrong with it.

So I missed all of the New Republic/Resistance description. So there were actually two groups of "Rebels"? I might have just glossed over that because all the pre-release talk was that the Rebellion turned into the Resistance.

And like, how did Rey even know to use a Jedi mind trick? Jedi were mythology to her. That's why the more I think of it, the more she actually was a Youngling trained by Luke, and then hidden by him when Ben turned to the dark side. That would explain why she could use a light saber so effectively and know such Jedi practices.

But did anyone see a little bit of Dark Rey during that battle with Kylo Ren? She definitely showed vengeance, anger and hate when she had him against the ropes. That look on her face? Totally.

 

[……forgetit]

Agreed, but Force users are able to use their swords to fight effectively against opponents using blasters. Non Force users would be killed quickly using a melee weapon like a lightsaber.

Yeah, I can't think of any point where it's said that you need the force to use a lightsaber. Han uses one in the original trilogy, Grievous uses one in episode 3 and the leader of death watch uses one in the clone wars cartoon. None of them have the force.

 

[Stiflers Mom]

I thought the opposite. The lightsaber duels were clumsy and lacked grace and fluidity that even the OT films had. Like JJ wanted to move away from the prequel style, but he went too far in that direction.

I thought the lightsaber duels were awesome.

It was more raw and "visceral", but I think

1) that's Kylo Rens character. He is not "there" yet with his training, and very emotional
2) Finn and Rey were completely untrained in this, so off course they were not fighting with grace.

I am happy they went away from the ballet dancer fights of the prequels..

 

[Forkball]

Agree with most. Btw it was coruscant that was destroyed...republic was based on chandrilla

I thought Hosnian Prime was destroyed. NOTHING WAS EXPLAINED WHY JJ WHY

Also I cringed when Kylo Ren mentioned a clone army. No man... no. Please don't let that be a future plot point. I was surprised there was any semi-callback to the PT. Maz also mentioned the Sith, but that is a bit too ingrained in Star Wars to not mention.

Also I was a bit disappointed by Snoke's appearance. I though the artbook picture was pretty interesting, but he basically looked like a zombie/human/alien hybrid and his deformities didn't seem so startling or scary. Plus I was hoping he would wear a white robe like in his concept art. I think Serkis did a good job with the voice however and I'm interested to know his backstory and motivations.

 

[sappyday]

Sort of wish Finn mentioned something about that stormtrooper he died in his hands.

 

[Fliesen]

Whose eyes could Maz be seeing in Finn?

I think it's just her seeing "the eyes of someone who's running away"

She's seen all kinds of people throughout the ages, i think it's her showing that she can "read" people without being a force user, but because of her life experience.

Sort of wish Finn mentioned something about that stormtrooper he died in his hands.

doesn't need to be someone special. It just shows that, as a storm trooper, he'd be ending lives he wouldn't want to end, and neither can he save a life he'd like to save. It's a double-whammy of 'what the fuck am i doing here? this is wrong"

 

[World SkiFree]

The last act is a mess, but I found it to be less so on second viewing.

My biggest gripe is the whole battle with Poe and his squadron. The movie keeps cutting back to it, but there's just no tension there. Nothing is really happening. It almost seems like an afterthought.

Yes, you describe my quibble in better detail. I felt OT/PTs juggled the multiple-battle finale with more finesse.

Speaking of the ending, and this may have been stated before, but it's kind of funny that Hamill, a well-known voice actor, had to hit the mute button during his appearance.

 

[NeededSleep]

Felt like there was so much heavy editing in the movie, so many missing dialogue scenes to connect.
Also missing footage from the trailers not in the final cut. This makes me hope they release an extended edition like LOTR/Hobbit did.

 

[Altima]

I wonder who create the map to find Luke?

and what is the purpose of the map?

 

[Sojgat]

I thought he was just doing that to make himself angry and look tough?

I saw it as him both trying to stay conscious, and use the pain/anger to tap into the dark side.

I thought it was a great touch. Ren wants to be all about the dark side like Vader, but he's really not. He's conflicted between the dark and the light.

 

[……forgetit]

So you guys know there's a comic series that explains the political climate of the Galaxy, right? I know it's not an excuse for the movie, but it you want to know it's easy to look up.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Everyone wondering how Rey can just use force powers without any training, did it ever occur to you that maybe she's--

--just way way better than Luke?

Vader only noticed that the force was "strong" in Luke. He probably would have done his WAT if he felt Rey's presence.

It would explain Luke's reaction to meeting her.

 

[Henkka]

Agreed, but Force users are able to use their swords to fight effectively against opponents using blasters. Non Force users would be killed quickly using a melee weapon like a lightsaber.

Yeah, a Force user's ability to almost flawlessly defend against blaster shots is a pre-requisite for the lightsaber to make any sense in this universe. I also interpret it's use as sort of traditional and symbolic, not necessarily 100% pragmatic.

 

[ClosingADoor]

I thought he was just doing that to make himself angry and look tough?

He got a direct hit from Chewie's bow after Han died. That must have hurt.

 

[nin1000]

i dont know if it has been asked or not , but after watching this film twice now i still am unsure. Was that Coruscant getting destroyed by the new death star ?

 

[El Topo]

He got a direct hit from Chewie's bow after Han died. That must have hurt.

The movie also showed several times how deadly that weapon is.

 

[dapperbandit]

Agree with most. Btw it was coruscant that was destroyed...republic was based on chandrilla

It's Not Coruscant

Chandrilla, my mistake

 

[Lord Couture]

I wonder who create the map to find Luke?

Luke.

and what is the purpose of the map?

Finding Luke.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

So you guys know there's a comic series that explains the political climate of the Galaxy, right? I know it's not an excuse for the movie, but it you want to know it's easy to look up.

Is there? None of the comics or novels so far have been set anywhere near the time of the film.

Chandrilla, my mistake

Not sure where people are getting Chandrila from, it's Hosnian Prime. They say it's the Hosnian system in the film.

 

[Starfield]

Here's why you have to see Star Wars on day zero:

lmao

 

[Fliesen]

The last act is a mess, but I found it to be less so on second viewing.

My biggest gripe is the whole battle with Poe and his squadron. The movie keeps cutting back to it, but there's just no tension there. Nothing is really happening. It almost seems like an afterthought.

yeah, people who found it 'messy' should really give the movie a second viewing. It helps untangle and clean up various plot strings.

i agree with the lack of tension during the scenes with Poe's squadron, to a certain degree.
They're essentially just roaming around, doing unsuccessful bombing runs on the oscillator.
Similar to The attack led by President Bill Pullman in Independence Day, actually.

But maybe that's the point. They're pretty much banging their hands against a wall. The supposed "weak spot" isn't all that weak. Their initial plan is bound to fail. - it would have never worked. They only manage to succeed because Han Solo chooses to improvise and blow a hole into the Oscillator wall.

 

[Discotheque]

Here's why you have to see Star Wars on day zero:

han solo season all day every day.

 

[Grover Cleveland]

Everyone wondering how Rey can just use force powers without any training, did it ever occur to you that maybe she's--

--just way way better than Luke?

Vader only noticed that the force was "strong" in Luke. He probably would have done his WAT if he felt Rey's presence.

It would explain Luke's reaction to meeting her.

Possible.

The idea of Rey being previously trained before she was dropped off on Jakku and somehow had her memories of it repressed makes more sense in the context of the scene at Maz's Castle though.

Especially if she's not a Skywalker. The whole idea of Anakin being the most powerful Force user ever recorded and thus his bloodline being the most potent kind of goes out the window if some random cats have a kid/grandkid who's more powerful than Luke.

 

[Fliesen]

I thought he was just doing that to make himself angry and look tough?

someone in this thread said it's a common technique by soldiers to inflict pain somewhere else to distract from the actual wound.

 

[Starfield]

STAR WARS Special Edition

 

[LProtag]

So for Finn, are we to assume he just woke up from his conditioning due to having strong emotions/morals or do you think the force was involved in some way?

 

[sappyday]

Everyone wondering how Rey can just use force powers without any training, did it ever occur to you that maybe she's--

--just way way better than Luke?

Vader only noticed that the force was "strong" in Luke. He probably would have done his WAT if he felt Rey's presence.

It would explain Luke's reaction to meeting her.

This is what I got out of it. I compared her basically to Ciri from The Witcher series. Kylo Ren probably on the same level.

 

[Glass Shark]

The lightsaber duels were clumsy and lacked grace and fluidity that even the OT films had.

That fit perfectly with all 3 people who wielded a lightsaber in this film. And they were raw emotion, which is what I wanted.

 

[tootsi666]

Also I cringed when Kylo Ren mentioned a clone army. No man... no. Please don't let that be a future plot point. I was surprised there was any semi-callback to the PT.

Snoke's clone army might have nothing to do with PT clone army. I think we will see it by the end of the trilogy.
Edit. I think it was pretty clear that Han knew who Rey is when they arrived to Maz's place.

 

[El Topo]

I mean, if Rey is really that powerful, could be Luke just decided to not train her and hide her somewhere, where she would never learn the ways of the Force. Don't think it makes much sense though.

 

[kurahador]

Does any supplementary media explain why Kylo Ren lightsaber hilt has extra uhhh...mini lightsaber?

 

[shira]

I can't understand why Finn wasn't up and about at the end saying goodbye to Rey. Maybe it was just to make sure he didn't meet Luke yet.

Or there's going to be some silly amnesia sub-plot in the next film...

It's to make the Skywalker meeting more impactful. If you have them both there it brings into doubt who is the lead. When you have Rey twirling on the peak with Luke there is no doubt who is the main character.

The other thing that bothers me is not knowing if Finn is alive or not. He's seriously my favorite new character. What an awesome redemption arc! Seriously. Does anyone know if he's contracted for all 3 movies?

I think the mains are all contracted for at least this trilogy. And they were casting for Finn's

Spoiler

love interest or someone who is in a lot scenes to read together in 8

 

[Shredderi]

My favorite part was how lightsaber duels were handled. There was never any gymnastics stuff and was much more emotional.

My favourite part of the movie. We were talking about this with friends as we were driving to see the film. We were all hoping that the saber duels wouldn't be over acrobatic flailing but more in the style of the original trilogy.

 

[Henkka]

I mean, if Rey is really that powerful, could be Luke just decided to not train her and hide her somewhere, where she would never learn the ways of the Force. Don't think it makes much sense though.

Could make sense. He can't take the risk of her turning to the dark side... I like it.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

So for Finn, are we to assume he just woke up from his conditioning due to having strong emotions/morals or do you think the force was involved in some way?

I need to see it again but I'm pretty sure the same force sounds (same as Rey's interrogation) were playing when the bloody hand touched his helmet. That and Maz definitely saw something in him. They left it pretty open though with enough hints either way.