[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.

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cereal_killerxx said:
I only have 3 complaints with the movie:

1. The Han Solo death was too obvious.
2. How come Leia wasn't a Jedi master? Seemed like a missed opportunity to me.
3. Rey was a badass at the end with no training. Huh?
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Eh just like old expanded she never became a Jedi..her work in the republic was too important
 
cereal_killerxx said:
I only have 3 complaints with the movie:

1. The Han Solo death was too obvious.
2. How come Leia wasn't a Jedi master? Seemed like a missed opportunity to me.
3. Rey was a badass at the end with no training. Huh?
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We don't know that Rey has had no training. She easily fucked up those guys who tried to steal BB-8. The movie makes a point of showing that she can handle herself early on.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
Grievous couldn't use the force but he's pretty proficient with a lightsaber or several.
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Right, and he's also a cyborg. Which I guess I should have specified that the force training to use the weapon was akin to enhanced reflexes. It's pretty much established that Grevious had a long time to learn how to use them too. He'd been hunting and killing jedi for a very long time.

jett said:
Han Solo "used" a lightsaber at the beginning of ESB, didn't he? I don't think it matters.
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Not sure that is remotely the same. No one said simply holding it without training means you're going to automatically decapitate yourself.
 
WadiumArcadium said:
How do you know she doesn't have any training? She's dropped on Jakku as a kid. She might have been a part of Luke's academy before that. In the prequel era, kids could be recruited by the order at a really young age.
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Plus she clearly has suppressed memories. File that one under remaining questions, not a plot hole.
 
I really don't get why people keep acting like Rey beating Ren was unrealistic even though he was hurt to the point where he had to keep beating his wound to stay conscious.
 
cereal_killerxx said:
I only have 3 complaints with the movie:

1. The Han Solo death was too obvious.
2. How come Leia wasn't a Jedi master? Seemed like a missed opportunity to me.
3. Rey was a badass at the end with no training. Huh?
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1. Yup I agree.
2. She was never the type. She never tried anything with the force besides acknowledging that she has it.
3. I think that's the point. Her and Kylo are obviously this new "force awaken." The movie makes it very clear that they both still need training in order to actually control it but what they have is a lot more powerful than anything we've seen before. Rey can use it but she has no direct control of it. That's what they're setting up for the next movie with her and Luke.
 
So just finished the movie

Loved it but a lot of the scenes felt rushed. 20 minutes more so characters could more interact with each other would have been perfect. Like when she finds the lightsaber or when they go look for luke.

Fiancée cried because of Han
 
Sanctuary said:
This is what bothered me a lot with the movie. Other people in this thread seem to think that there's nothing special about a lightsaber in regards to wielding one, yet it's been established over decades that it takes not only some serious training with the weapon to use it effectively, but also force training (and I'm not talking about just to be able to deflect blaster shots either). Finn might have been flailing with it, but even then he was able to do more with it than he should have been able to. People talk about how Luke was able to deflect drone shots in ANH with little training, but he still had training, and we don't know exactly how much time had passed. Time was really sketchy in the original trilogy.
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Yeah. Being for sensitive does not mean one can wield a lightsaber. I think it was silly that Rey was able to pick up a lightsaber in immediately fight with it without any training meanwhile Kylo was trained by the most powerful Jedi left in the in the universe and he couldn't even defend himself.

Edit: I guess earlier in the film Rey was good with fighting with her staff so apparently that was for shadowing for what was to come.
 
eyeball_kid said:
This was the hardest part of the movie to stomach, twice. I know that Ford always said he'd only do another Star Wars movie if Han Solo gets killed, so I sort of expected it, but I expected it in the second or third movie, not this one. It felt like the worst possible way for Han to go, like Kylo was stabbing my childhood. I'll be honest; a big part of what makes Star Wars...Star Wars is Han Solo. I'm not sure what the next movie will be like without the one-liners and Ford's perfect delivery of them. Seeing Rey with Chewbacca in the Falcon was just...weird. Didn't totally sit right with me.
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Harrison Ford is too old...glad they killed off the character. Leia can fall to the back ground and Hamill is looking great and will do very well in the next movie.
 
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Sanctuary said:
This is what bothered me a lot with the movie. Other people in this thread seem to think that there's nothing special about a lightsaber in regards to wielding one, yet it's been established over decades that it takes not only some serious training with the weapon to use it effectively, but also force training (and I'm not talking about just to be able to deflect blaster shots either). Finn might have been flailing with it, but even then he was able to do more with it than he should have been able to. People talk about how Luke was able to deflect drone shots in ANH with little training, but he still had training, and we don't know exactly how much time had passed. Time was really sketchy in the original trilogy.

Also, a minor gripe; the trailers make it look as though Finn is going to be one of two new jedi in this movie. Nope, just some random dude swinging around a lightsaber.
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Uh, when was that established? The lightsaber is a weightless sword that cuts through nearly anything, not some mystical object. If you can use a sword, you can use a lightsaber. Not to deflect lasers obviously, but you can swing at a dude.

Or cut open a tauntaun.
 
Razgriz-Specter said:
The entire point of the OT was to remove the Empire from power and to restore the Republic.
The New Republic getting destroyed in a single shot acceptably because "LOL prequels" is incredibly stupid.

Now why should we give a shit about Rey and company defeating them again?
Episode 10 can just come along and bring the Empire right on back and undo any success of this trilogy.
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Wow, this was I think the biggest disappointment for me in TFA, I mean, they spent 3 movies + 30 years overthrowing an evil empire and rebuilding the republic just to have in episode 7 a "Secret weapon" (death star 3.0, which is huge and stupid and no one in the resistance or the new republic knew about it) destroy like 5 planets of the new republic in a few seconds.

Schemes? plans? conspirancy? corruption? nah, just one sun laser beam and the new republic is gone, and we have the new resistance a small group again, fighting against all the odds because the script demands it.

Watch out with episode X, they may undo everything the good guys do in this trilogy with a new super overpowered weapon and back to square one.
 
sirap said:
Anyone can use them. It's been shown many times in films, books and comics that an ordinary, non-force sensitive person could wield one.

However, what makes a lightsaber effective is a Jedi's superhuman reflexes. Without it, you're just holding a sword.
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That's why I think Finn at least has some level of Force affinty. Kylo would have wrecked him even worse otherwise since he had actual training.
 
ultrazilla said:
Ok you got me there. You know, I think it's because they actually showed Snoke's entire body up on the chair. But yeah, it's been done before in the movies.
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I enjoyed the movie but missed the way Lucas used holograms and the distorted speech communicators (even in the prequels, no less). I dunno, those parts are always so cool to me. Also, as others have said, the camera work and editing is much more Marvel/Disney than Lucas. I thought the prequels were consistent with the OT in that regard, it's very kinetic now. The dogfights didn't have as much drama or build up as a result. But again, it is a new approach so these are more observations than criticisms but the movie definitely "moved" a bit differently.

This thread has been in hyperdrive but a lot of great observations in the mix. What are your thoughts on the Yoda-y Maz? Haven't seen many mentions of her in the thread.
 
SpotAnime said:
Yeah. Being for sensitive does not mean one can wield a lightsaber. I think it was silly that Rey was able to pick up a lightsaber in immediately fight with it without any training meanwhile Kylo was trained by the most powerful Jedi left in the in the universe and he couldn't even defend himself.

Edit: I guess earlier in the film Rey was good with fighting with her staff so apparently that was for shadowing for what was to come.
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That was my thinking when she turned it on.

Also, Ren was shot to shit and still putting up a nasty fight. I thought it was well reasoned.
 
I just thought a lightsaber was the jedi's preferred weapon. Like I consider Yoda a jedi but doesn't need a lightsaber all the time (doesn't need one at all but the prequels fucked that up).
 
mcrommert said:
Eh just like old expanded she never became a Jedi..her work in the republic was too important
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I can live with that. And we at least did get to see her connection to the force when she sensed Han's death which was cool. Maybe Luke trained her in a few basics and we'll see it in a future movie.
 
uceenk said:
just watched the movie

love every part of it, although the pace was too fast for me, i give imdb score 8/10

from trailer and posters i always assumed Finn would be a Jedi (or at least the one who strong with the force), so when they revealed Rey was force user, i was really surprised, love this twist

however i still hope Finn is force user, it would be great to see them against Kylo in future episodes

i don't like the idea Rey is skywalker/solo ....i prefer she is nobody, but at some point in the past has received Jedi training from Luke

also i grown up with prequel trilogy, didn't hate it and considering Revenge of The Sith are the best of all of them

that being said, i rank the episodes like this

1. Revenge of The Sith
2. The Force Awakens
3. A New Hope
4. The Phantom Menace
5. Return of The Jedi
6. Attack of The Clones
7. Empire Strikes Back
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I know this was pages ago...but what in the living hell

The worst movie first and the best last


Ahhhhhhhhh
 
Yeah, a lightsaber isn't some mystical sword that taps on the power of the force. It's a lightweight sword that anyone can pick up and use.

Even an idiot can do some serious damage with it.
 
I believe anyone can use a lightsaber, but you need the Force to effectively wield it like deflecting laser bolts, otherwise you're more likely to harm yourself with it.
 
I thought Rey's technique when fighting with the saber was interesting. She was using a lot of jabs and pokes. It really stuck out as opposed to the prequels where everyone had the same fighting style. I mean she had a staff that she used. Obviously it's different, but it's not like she's never picked up a weapon before. Plus the force was helping her or some shit, who cares that scene was awesome. Same with Finn. You guys don't need to compare power levels here, this ain't Dragon Ball.
 
dapperbandit said:
I liked it but in many ways the film felt hamstrung by being made by a Star Wars fan.

Certain things just seem inconsistent with what we know from the original films and because there's not much rhyme or reason, come across as simple imitations of the themes and actors from the original films:

The First Order are just Empire 2.0, there's no explanation for who they are or what their motivations are, the extent of their powers or why they're still around after the Emperor was defeated.

The New Republic is some extras in Coruscant. Why, if the Empire was defeated, is the New Republic not the official opposition of the First Order? The name "Resistance" also implies an underground movement against an occupying force, but the actual balance of power is never addressed. The Resistance, despite being on the winning side of history, are scrappy underdogs with rag tag equipment again, just because. Their base is overgrown again, just like it was on Yavin, remember that guys?

With this lack of world building, it feels so uninspired, just retreading old tropes for the sake of familiarity. This is actually something the film did worse than the prequels.

Of course there's another planet destroying super weapon but somehow it's barely of any consequence that billions of people just got murdered when they destroy Coruscant.

It annoys me how proficient Rey is with the force with zero training.

It annoys me how lazy the infiltration of Starkiller Base was. The shields were lowered because we bumped into Captain Phasma, who just complies when asked at gunpoint without any resistance and is dispatched offscreen with another reference to ANH. This, despite Phasma being presented as a powerful, merciless figure who fully subscribes to whatever the ideology the First Order has. If Phasma does't return it strikes me as such a waste of good character design.

Speaking of character design, Snoke sucks and we shouldn't have seen him. The film showed its hand too early with Kylo as well, we should have seen his face first when he encounters Han.

Lastly, what the hell was going on with that last shot before the credits, The one thing all the films managed to do, even the prequels, was establish lasting final shots before the credits. The last show in TFA was just weird, it looked like something out of a TV movie, spinning aerial shot of an inadequately staged area. Fuck.

I did actually like the movie, BB 8 stole the show for me, but god damn ther more I think about it the more things I find wrong with it.
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Nailed it.
 
The other thing that bothers me is not knowing if Finn is alive or not. He's seriously my favorite new character. What an awesome redemption arc! Seriously. Does anyone know if he's contracted for all 3 movies?
 
btrboyev said:
Show me. It would be stupid. She was a wasted character and I see no point in moving forward with her.
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She was a underwhelming character for sure. We didn't even see something to hint at why she deserves a chromatic suit. But I want her back to see if there is actually more potential, because at the moment all she served was to have someone counterpart to Finn (acts dominant but is quick to give her allegiance up).


Edit: BB-8 sucked. Nothing compared to R2.
 
Forkball said:
I thought Rey's technique when fighting with the saber was interesting. She was using a lot of jabs and pokes. It really stuck out as opposed to the prequels where everyone had the same fighting style. I mean she had a staff that she used. Obviously it's different, but it's not like she's never picked up a weapon before. Plus the force was helping her or some shit, who cares that scene was awesome. Same with Finn. You guys don't need to compare power levels here, this ain't Dragon Ball.
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She needs at least 2 weeks in the hyperbolic time chamber to learn how to use a lightsaber.
 
Scientist Supreme! said:
The more I think about this film the more messy I find it to be.
For me, anyway.
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The last act is a mess, but I found it to be less so on second viewing.

My biggest gripe is the whole battle with Poe and his squadron. The movie keeps cutting back to it, but there's just no tension there. Nothing is really happening. It almost seems like an afterthought.
 
I can't understand why Finn wasn't up and about at the end saying goodbye to Rey. Maybe it was just to make sure he didn't meet Luke yet.

Or there's going to be some silly amnesia sub-plot in the next film...
 
btrboyev said:
Show me. It would be stupid. She was a wasted character and I see no point in moving forward with her.
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I can see Phasma hunting after Finn in the next movie. Maybe she will capture him & try to re-program him like she wanted to after the Jakku raid, with Poe flying in to save the day
 
richiek said:
I believe anyone can use a lightsaber, but you need the Force to effectively wield it like deflecting laser bolts, otherwise you're more likely to harm yourself with it.
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You don't necessarily need the Force not to harm yourself... After all, real life swordsmen don't constantly poke themselves. All it takes is physical training, which Finn has probably had. If the New Order works anything like an actual military, they surely train their troops physically as well.

I think you just need the Force to defeat someone who also uses the Force. This is because Force sensitive people can 'sense' their opponents, giving them an advantage.
 
DrForester said:
I can't understand why Finn wasn't up and about at the end saying goodbye to Rey. Maybe it was just to make sure he didn't meet Luke yet.

Or there's going to be some silly amnesia sub-plot in the next film...
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He just took multiple lightsaber wounds. Takes a little time to heal and Rey pretty much took off again instantly.

Henkka said:
You don't necessarily need the Force not to harm yourself... After all, real life swordsmen don't constantly poke themselves. All it takes is physical training, which Finn has probably had. If the New Order works anything like an actual military, they surely train their troops physically as well.

I think you just need the Force to defeat someone who also uses the Force. This is because Force sensitive people can 'sense' their opponents, giving them an advantage.
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Plus that other Stormtrooper had his lightsaber like/energy weapon. Maybe Finn trained with that too.
 
Schmitty said:
My favorite part was how lightsaber duels were handled. There was never any gymnastics stuff and was much more emotional.
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I thought the opposite. The lightsaber duels were clumsy and lacked grace and fluidity that even the OT films had. Like JJ wanted to move away from the prequel style, but he went too far in that direction.
 
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