he hit his own wound so obviously all the time so he would not fall over..it was obvious what was happening.
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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he hit his own wound so obviously all the time so he would not fall over..it was obvious what was happening.
Blame Mothma for that shit, she wanted to sign a peace treaty with the Empire instead of finishing them off and let them have their own little sector.
Also cut the Republic military by 90% then immediately ended the Supreme Chancellor's powers.
Plot contrived stupidity.
If he didn't like being Han, what DOES he enjoy?
Arrowgigantic
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If you think Snoak is big, you should see his brother Snredwood.
Very much agree with this entire post.
brandonh83
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Am I in a minority by loving the last shot? I thought it was great and different. Made me so hyped for more.
OricWindstar
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I think it was reacting to the wind from all of that wind. That's a breezy place.
And his Grandfather is Vader, I loved that line where he's talking to his helmet.
But why do you want that?
Kylo is an interesting character because he idolises one of the most powerful force users to ever exist, one of the few masters of both Light and Dark. But more than just looking up to Vader, he wants to be Vader.
And he's not, not even close. He's some fucked up kid struggling with his inner self, not fully trained in either the light or the dark, a twisted container of potential and rage.
Worse? He knows it. He throws tantrums, he gets disrespected, he fucks up. He's not Vader, he knows it, everyone else knows it, and it constantly eats at him.
People call this film a rehash of A New Hope or whatever, but the best direct comparison which shows off this as a falsehood is between Vader and Ren.
I think people are just in disbelief that two of the most beautiful people in the galaxy would produce one of the ugliest one.
They also spend a fair amount of time showing Kylo being conflicted about the light and the dark. He's not focused either way, and they've spent the entire series showing that focus and clarity = power.
I hope Rey isn't related to anyone. Because fuck midiclorians bullshit. Don't need Skywalkers being the only ones able to do anything.
I hope Rey isn't related to anyone. Because fuck midiclorians bullshit. Don't need Skywalkers being the only ones able to do anything.
Anyone else think the music sounds kinda off? Not that it's bad, cause it's good, but just... Off? I'm beginning to think it has to do with the absence of the London Symphony Orchestra. The harmonics seem different, and it's especially notable in the opening theme. Brass isn't as punchy, certain instruments sound kinda muted, that sort of thing.
I think it's reasonable, at least in the context of the series, that Snoke would be able to convince Ren that Vader going back to the Light side was some awful aberration and the downfall of a great man and the exact sort of thing Ren should avoid.
Ren at some point lamented the notion that he sometimes "feels drawn to the Light" or however he put it, so it's clearly a constant struggle with him, at least until he puts the kibosh on Han.
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But he's talking to him as if he was listening, Anakin would tell him he's wrong. So I don't know. He seems to look up to Vader, but Vader according to you failed exactly here Ren wouldn't want to.
I think Ren's line implies he wants to kill Snoke and bring order to the galaxy.
I really liked it too.
brandonh83
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It can happen. I don't even think he's ugly. I wouldn't call him model material but I don't think he's an ugly dude.
MagicWithEarvin
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Didn't he want the Han character killed back in the OT? He really doesn't like that role it seems.
half a moon
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I loved it too.
It's not confusing at all. Chewie shoots Kylo Ren in the stomach; we see him barreled over in pain; we see him bleeding from the wound later; and he takes additional damage over his body throughout the lightsaber duel.
If you can't be bothered to watch what's happening on screen then the problem is not with the movie's ability to communicate.
WadiumArcadium
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He's not.
He wanted him killed in Jedi because he had hardly anything to do. Lawrence Kasdan agreed but George wanted him to survive. I don't think he hates the role.
One has to be pretty dense to not understand why Kylo lost. Putting aside the emotional turmoil, blind arrogance and the multiple wounds, isn't it apparent he's NOT a good close combat fighter and has no tactical skills? He received incomplete training as a youth and basically relies on bullying people with his powerful but unrefined Force powers.
Finn and Rey finally tested and exposed him. That trooper with the vibro baton was a better fighter too.
Adam Driver is :'(
I loved it...until they used a helicopter.
everything until then was awesome. the way luke looked conflicted by seeing her and his old lightsaber and all.
but that stupid helicopter flight just felt so try-hard. cut it of before the helicopter flight and I would adore the shot.
half a moon
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He didn't look bad in the film, but he looks kind of deformed in RL
It's empirically true that they didn't communicate Kylo's wounded-ness well enough, since tons of people weren't satisfied with it.
And even if we can construct an explanation about how he wasn't in top form, it's a lame script decision to have your previously-menacing bad guy just become a total jobber. Nobody wants to see the villain be ineffectual. So maybe we resolve that by realizing he isn't the villain, but then that means his awesome introduction at the beginning sold us a bill of goods. AND while the "seduced by the light" line is cool and evocative, we don't really spend enough time with him to really get what that means.
The fight just isn't satisfying. However we frame it to make it consistent, we're left with in situation where Kyle is poorly rendered. That fight is a job because it exists to give Rey a victorious awakening but it does my boy Kyle dirty. Kyle's arc gestures at intriguing ideas but doesn't actually articulate any of them.
(This basic criticism also holds for Finn and Rey though, so in the end we can say that the movie kind of dropped the ball. It's sort of lame to say "this movie is just a lot of stage-setting", since of course it's part 1 of a trilogy, but the result is that the movie is frustrating on its own in a way that A New Hope, say, wasn't. This movie *requires* a sequel. Hell, it requires a prequel, too, given how poorly-drawn the Republic / Resitance / New Order are.)
LegalEagleMike
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I loved it, everyone in the theater I was in seemed to love it.
The problem is that again Rey doesn't just beat him in a struggle to survive but again her letting the Force flow through her comes off as similar to her beating Ren in the interrogation room. It's representative of the earlier issues in the film in how Rey is portrayed rather than Ren himself.
Me too. Don't get the cinematography nerds who hate it so much
keltickennedy
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Again, we have yet to know if Rey has had some training in the past. Also, Kylo was fighting wounded after getting shot.
brandonh83
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Gotta love the specifically chosen unflattering pics that are coming.
darkazcura
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No it wasn't poor execution. It just seems like people don't like that non-trained force users/non force users would have a chance against a partially trained forced user regardless of how injured that force user was which is kinda crazy. Dude got shot with a bow that the movie showed on several occasions how powerful it was, and he was also riding the biggest emotional roller coaster from killing his dad. Then they showed him constantly hitting the area of his wound to distract the pain/keep himself conscious. It didn't shock me at all that he struggled against Finn and Rey. I don't know what else they could have done to show how injured Kylo was both mentally and physically.
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It's not impossible that Luke found Snoke in his search, and believed exactly that; that Snoke was a good one. Eventually they would have fought, Snoke would have left with Ren. Who knows.
thecouncil
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I noticed during the movie. I was like, "I remember this tune from TPM... wait, it's not that song." Was it coincidence that the tune was the same?
Pacing and general storytelling went to shit.
Rey was clearly skilled with her staff, and Stormtroopers were clearly trained in melee combat, both of which were shown earlier in the movie.
Sure, Lightsabers are different, but Finn had already used one a little, and Rey has the Force.
Rehashed and predictable are the main complains
IMO The complains have a lot of merit, but it was hardly a dealbreaker for me
You're being willfully obtuse. The film conveyed that he was already beat up and a temperamental child.
Fine Ham Abounds
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It's just as easy to claim "you guys don't get it". You're trying to put realistic sense into a battle between magic users attacking each other with plasma torches that should probably act more like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters rather than real swords.
We had saber fights about technical prowesz in the PT, and they were shit. Saber fights are analogues for the character's spirits at war, and that's the only time the fights feel true and believable.
And, again, the guy was injured, badly, in several ways. It wasn't a fair show of his skill regardless.
He loves playing Indiana Jones.
And he doesn't hate Han, he just thinks he's a dummy and always viewed Star Wars as a job he did than some big otherworldly thing.
I don't think you know what 'empirically' means.
gutter_trash
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He could've been made believable, that design didn't need to be cg-based. Though, we don't know anything about the guy, so the next couple films could very well explain it. I just have a dislike of cg characters in major roles. They never look good enough.
The film didn't build, though. It moved from action to action, without enough character building for Finn to grow into the role. His sanitation role is used as a call-back, nothing else. That entire plotpoint is so they can say "Hey remember the trash compactor part in the original trilogy". These troopers have never been showcased as being nothing but drones. That the Galactic Empire would put that knowledge into the drone's hands is silly. All it took was one trooper to defect, then BAM, their super weapon is gone. Yes, I'm sure many more have defected before, but the knowledge of just one of them shouldn't cause the station to be destroyed.
Yes, it was always going to be the outcome. That doesn't mean it can't be somewhat of a surprise. My dislike of the film is it's parallels. This didn't have to be tied so closely to A New Hope. I'm not a major fan of the original series, that's probably what's causing my dislike. I like knew ideas, new stories, not rehashes. This is far too similar.
rokkerkory
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He was shot and losing lots of blood which would hamper him greatly.
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