One of those prestigious "and Max Von Sydow" type credits.
Loved the movie, but wasting him was one problem I had with it.
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One of those prestigious "and Max Von Sydow" type credits.
Loved the movie, but wasting him was one problem I had with it.
He was too close to sounding like my precious and kinda looks like a dull cross of Gollum and that Harry Potter guy. The character sucked but early days.
He was shot by Chewie, and they clearly show him bleeding and wounded before that whole battle. He then gets stabbed in the shoulder before he takes on Rey.
It's a damn hologram. It can be whatever size it wants.
Jest Chillin
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I'm going extreme on this one and saying, yes. Watch all the movies, read as many books as possible, and watch both the cartoon shows. Then you can see the movie and argue all the silly crap that the rest of us psychos are constantly arguing about.
Join us in our madness XpopcornX. Feel the anger. Let the hate flow through you.
brandonh83
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I mean, it's episodic. You can follow it but it's like starting a show after the first season. Like with 24 you can follow each season mostly standalone, but you're not going to have the full story let alone be familiar with the references. And what if the following movies DO require more knowledge? I doubt it, but it's always best to have the full picture.
So I would not recommend anyone seeing it without at least 4-6, or at least after seeing this one. Hell I'd recommend the prequels but that's not a popular opinion.
If they didn't find the Falcon they would have still made it to the resistance base most likely, and there it's possible Leia would have called on Han to help with the assault on Starkiller base. Having Finn and Rey escape in the Falcon and meet Han just makes the plot more expedient.
Total nonsense because that means he, without a ship, got word -- somehow -- about BB-8, then proceeded to secure a ship, fly it to a Resistance base (of which there are no more than six in the entire galaxy), transfer to an X Wing, and deploy with a squadron to bar planet. All in the space of what, an hour? That's if we're generous and assume Rey's vision wasn't instantaneous.
In the same space of time, Finn managed to load a couple crates into a ship.
You see him thumping his chest a couple times during the fight to distract from the pain.
I think Rey also gets a couple of slices on him (one to his leg I think?), so it was a lot of battle damage building up throughout the fight.
Thanks for the comments guys. I do remember the injury he got from the bowcaster but I guess I didn't expect it to impact him so much but yeah the emotional instability and the fact that his arrogance and insecurity immediately started flashing when Rey used the force to resist him does all add up.
Still think it could have been presented as more of an even fight though, just to show that Kylo is really powerful.
Still think it could have been presented as more of an even fight though, just to show that Kylo is really powerful.
He moves well enough against Finn though. I don't know if the problem with that sequence is how it is framed in that it's treated as some triumphant moment for Rey when she's primarily just beating a seriously injured Ren. I think it's that scene where she 'lets the Force in' where it comes off as her just being able to be better than him rather than him just having an off day.
Amen
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We don't really know what Kylo wants to finish. That shit is a bit confusing and remains to be explained in VIII cause one would think he would know Anakin became good again. If he said "I'll finish what you couldn't" it would work.
Awesome! I can't wait for episode 8!
I remember when people were speculating that it was him doing the voiceover in the very first teaser. Or that he was going to play some parental figure to Rey.
Count me disappointed as well.
He's also dealing emotionally with the fact he just killed his father and doesn't really have his a-game going.
tokyocrusher
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He is not he is in the flash back scenes when Ren is standing in the rain he is in the back with a staff
In the canon book aftermath, it's heavily implied that Boba survived somehow.
Think of it like Maximus from Gladiator at the end when the Emperor stabs him in the side before the fight.
Err... How bought a couple of Resistance ships come to see what's up on Jakku when Poe doesn't report in, he links up with them on the planet, and they then get the message about BB-8.
It's honestly not some big leap of logic.
Fine Ham Abounds
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That's because the execution was fine and it's really confusing how people miss the cues considering it was practically the only part of the second half of the movie that made sense.
NekoFever
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I think Max's role needed to be played by someone old old enough to remember the Clone Wars and the Jedi at their peak but yeah, he would have been less wasted as an admiral or something.
Soapbox Killer
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There is a scene where General Hux is sorta "surrounded" in blue light and for a second I thought they were foreshadowing him becoming some sorta "Admiral" Probably just me.
Have to agree for the sole reason that a showdown with a CG creature cannot match the confrontations against Vader in ESB and the Emperor in RotJ. What we've seen of Snoke looks cartoony so far. Just make it into a guy with really good alien makeup, prosthetics and CG enhancements.
brandonh83
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I think there is more to it myself but to each his own. Like I said you CAN follow it and you get enough context, but you're not going to care about certain things as much as you would otherwise. I know that for me anyway. Watching the older movies helps create a stronger bond with the story and characters; moments like the Luke reveal or seeing Han and Leia's relationship... yeah, it impacts things, even if you know what's going on.
You won't be lost story wise, but its just not that clear cut or mechanical to me.
broncobuster
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What's the current theory on the largest dangling thread of TFA?
Did or didn't those smugglers leave without Finn when he expressly told them not to?
Did or didn't those smugglers leave without Finn when he expressly told them not to?
Scientist Supreme!
Banned
Is it silly/weird that I'm thinking about rewriting this film in way I would have liked it more?
I do this a lot with stuff.
I do this a lot with stuff.
Chewy and Rey will be partners now. Chewy was always going to outlive Han, anyways. Rey is the perfect buddy for Chewy. That's what I've been telling myself...
Might as well write my longer writeup for this before I go see it in the theaters a second time today. Overall I liked it but not as near as much as I wanted to. I feel like the charisma of the new characters shines through but the plotting of the movie is a mess and not only relies too much on the OT to just superficially rehash elements but even ignoring that, feels poorly written at times.
+The film up and until they get to around Maz's base is amazing. Both Rey and Finn's introductions are great in how nonverbal they are yet show such large amounts of characterization. There is Finn who starts to literally have a panic attack once he initially gets back to Jakku and you can see him start to hyperventilate inside his armor. Even on Jakku he looks lost on the battlefield as if he is asking why is he there. Then there is Rey putting on the old Rebel helmet and eating messily by herself.
+Boyega and Ridley both did a great job. They both had a lot of fun with their roles and you can see the wonder on their faces during a lot of the scenes. They had great comedic timing played really well off each other. They also were more physical in touching each other than I expected. I am curious whether they're going to go the romance route with the two. I am surprised though that Poe didn't have any screentime whatsoever with Rey. Do they actually ever meet up in the film? If this is supposed to be the new trinity then Poe is the odd man out.
+Harrison Ford actually acted in this. He slipped well enough back in the Solo role and the 'negotiation' scene between the two pirate groups felt like something that could have happened in the OT. Chewie shrugging his shoulder at Han being mentioned as a war hero was hilarious.
+All the different alien designs at Maz's base was really cool and felt like a new Mos Eisley before it promptly got wrecked 20 minutes later.
+I definitely agree that Finn is the heart of the film. I feel like Kasdan broke up Luke's traits into the new trinity with Luke's piloting skills got to Poe, Luke's ability with the Force going to Rey, and Luke's heart/character going to Finn. Bits of Han's character also got split among the three as well. Anyway I found Finn's character to be fairly compelling in how he didn't want to be a hero like everybody else and instead just wanted to run. Unlike everybody else, there was a sense of desperation around his character and it served to distinguish him as such. He felt to be the most fleshed out new character by far.
+I really liked the dynamic in the First Order. Hux actually seems competent and I thought Gleeson did a wonderful job delivering that speech when Starkiller launches. You can see the fire in his eyes and the way he barked that speech. When the Starkiller fired, there is a shot that focuses on Hux and you can see he's actually teary and slightly shaking as if he viewed that beam as a purifying light that would rid the universe of the disease called the Republic. His character truly believes in the ideals of the First Order, which is something you never really saw with the Empire. Hux's competition with Ren was neat as it felt like a more fleshed out relationship of the Tarkin/Vader dynamic.
+I liked Snoke's design and it did feel somewhat different compared to the artbook's. It certainly wasn't reptilian though but it did give off the damaged element really well. The CGI does look slightly off and I would have preferred if they had gone more practical but it didn't bother me in the actual theater and I think Serkis delivers so well that I ignore quibbles with that. I also like the whole Wizard of Oz effect in that he appears so much larger than life and so instantly gives him a level of gravitas.
+Ren's tantrums were awesome. That scene where he just goes berserk and slices up the console was amazing in that you can see just how unhinged he is. His character is more in line with Anakin rather than the cold professionalism of Vader. I think a lot of people were expecting Vader but I think him being more 'childish' is a interesting but different way to take his character. It's clear the trilogy is also going to be about Ren spiraling even further into the darkside and so I look forward to seeing them flesh out Ren as the trilogy goes on.
+The cinematography was largely great, even some of the dialogue sequences such as between Han and Leia were well shot. There's a lot of swinging cameras and tons of camera movement in general such as in the beginning when it zooms in on BB8. Color usage stood out at periods as well, for example the red on Ren's unmasked face when he talks to Han on the bridge. There is only a little red but once the sun goes out, Ren's face is bathed in red even before he ignites the saber. The dogfight above Maz's Castle was well shot and I loved the ground perspective.
+The melee combat sequences were well shot. Finn vs that random Stormtrooper was probably the best shot from a cinematography and framing perspective. There was a really cool zoomed out shot in there. The lightsaber sequence at the end was meaty and there was good sense of weight in the movements. Definitely felt closer to the OT rather than the prequels. Really good sense of physicality to it like when Ren pushes in the crossguard hilt into Finn. Ren also beating his open wound as a way of keeping the pain fresh and thus driving him was a great little character moment/thing. It really added some character into the scene.
+The bridge scene was largely fantastic due to both Ford and Driver's acting. The way Ford barks out "BEN!" like an angry father was perfect. The fact that was the first time that Ren's actual name was used was so good. Han's death was really telegraphed with all those looming shots of the abyss but I liked it enough especially when Han strokes Ben's face almost as if saying "It's okay". Ben also near crying when he stabs Han was wonderful too. I feel like this was the emotional climax of the film.
+The comedic timing and almost all the jokes are on point. Abrams has always been good at that and you can tell he brought that over from Star Trek. He's very much like Spielberg in that he's an actor's director and so both the performances and jokes stand out. Scenes like Rey and Finn fixing the Falcoln stand out so much because that is what Abrams specializes in.
+Oh and the Bowcaster got one hell of a buff. Troopers got airplane tickets.
My complaints are going to be in a separate post.
+The film up and until they get to around Maz's base is amazing. Both Rey and Finn's introductions are great in how nonverbal they are yet show such large amounts of characterization. There is Finn who starts to literally have a panic attack once he initially gets back to Jakku and you can see him start to hyperventilate inside his armor. Even on Jakku he looks lost on the battlefield as if he is asking why is he there. Then there is Rey putting on the old Rebel helmet and eating messily by herself.
+Boyega and Ridley both did a great job. They both had a lot of fun with their roles and you can see the wonder on their faces during a lot of the scenes. They had great comedic timing played really well off each other. They also were more physical in touching each other than I expected. I am curious whether they're going to go the romance route with the two. I am surprised though that Poe didn't have any screentime whatsoever with Rey. Do they actually ever meet up in the film? If this is supposed to be the new trinity then Poe is the odd man out.
+Harrison Ford actually acted in this. He slipped well enough back in the Solo role and the 'negotiation' scene between the two pirate groups felt like something that could have happened in the OT. Chewie shrugging his shoulder at Han being mentioned as a war hero was hilarious.
+All the different alien designs at Maz's base was really cool and felt like a new Mos Eisley before it promptly got wrecked 20 minutes later.
+I definitely agree that Finn is the heart of the film. I feel like Kasdan broke up Luke's traits into the new trinity with Luke's piloting skills got to Poe, Luke's ability with the Force going to Rey, and Luke's heart/character going to Finn. Bits of Han's character also got split among the three as well. Anyway I found Finn's character to be fairly compelling in how he didn't want to be a hero like everybody else and instead just wanted to run. Unlike everybody else, there was a sense of desperation around his character and it served to distinguish him as such. He felt to be the most fleshed out new character by far.
+I really liked the dynamic in the First Order. Hux actually seems competent and I thought Gleeson did a wonderful job delivering that speech when Starkiller launches. You can see the fire in his eyes and the way he barked that speech. When the Starkiller fired, there is a shot that focuses on Hux and you can see he's actually teary and slightly shaking as if he viewed that beam as a purifying light that would rid the universe of the disease called the Republic. His character truly believes in the ideals of the First Order, which is something you never really saw with the Empire. Hux's competition with Ren was neat as it felt like a more fleshed out relationship of the Tarkin/Vader dynamic.
+I liked Snoke's design and it did feel somewhat different compared to the artbook's. It certainly wasn't reptilian though but it did give off the damaged element really well. The CGI does look slightly off and I would have preferred if they had gone more practical but it didn't bother me in the actual theater and I think Serkis delivers so well that I ignore quibbles with that. I also like the whole Wizard of Oz effect in that he appears so much larger than life and so instantly gives him a level of gravitas.
+Ren's tantrums were awesome. That scene where he just goes berserk and slices up the console was amazing in that you can see just how unhinged he is. His character is more in line with Anakin rather than the cold professionalism of Vader. I think a lot of people were expecting Vader but I think him being more 'childish' is a interesting but different way to take his character. It's clear the trilogy is also going to be about Ren spiraling even further into the darkside and so I look forward to seeing them flesh out Ren as the trilogy goes on.
+The cinematography was largely great, even some of the dialogue sequences such as between Han and Leia were well shot. There's a lot of swinging cameras and tons of camera movement in general such as in the beginning when it zooms in on BB8. Color usage stood out at periods as well, for example the red on Ren's unmasked face when he talks to Han on the bridge. There is only a little red but once the sun goes out, Ren's face is bathed in red even before he ignites the saber. The dogfight above Maz's Castle was well shot and I loved the ground perspective.
+The melee combat sequences were well shot. Finn vs that random Stormtrooper was probably the best shot from a cinematography and framing perspective. There was a really cool zoomed out shot in there. The lightsaber sequence at the end was meaty and there was good sense of weight in the movements. Definitely felt closer to the OT rather than the prequels. Really good sense of physicality to it like when Ren pushes in the crossguard hilt into Finn. Ren also beating his open wound as a way of keeping the pain fresh and thus driving him was a great little character moment/thing. It really added some character into the scene.
+The bridge scene was largely fantastic due to both Ford and Driver's acting. The way Ford barks out "BEN!" like an angry father was perfect. The fact that was the first time that Ren's actual name was used was so good. Han's death was really telegraphed with all those looming shots of the abyss but I liked it enough especially when Han strokes Ben's face almost as if saying "It's okay". Ben also near crying when he stabs Han was wonderful too. I feel like this was the emotional climax of the film.
+The comedic timing and almost all the jokes are on point. Abrams has always been good at that and you can tell he brought that over from Star Trek. He's very much like Spielberg in that he's an actor's director and so both the performances and jokes stand out. Scenes like Rey and Finn fixing the Falcoln stand out so much because that is what Abrams specializes in.
+Oh and the Bowcaster got one hell of a buff. Troopers got airplane tickets.
My complaints are going to be in a separate post.
psychotron
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So has anyone pointed out how Ren repeatedly did the Palpatine saber thrust? Got me thinking about her being a Palpatine. A Skywalker descendant that's evil VS a good Palpatine descendant.
If you pay attention to the final scene, you can see Nicolas Cage doing karate on one of the other islands, which is conveniently named Nicolas Cage Island.
Do you really need to ask us if we think your behaviors are silly or weird?
brandonh83
Banned
Battlefront is vapid dog shit. I can still futz around with it as a fan, but it's not a good game. Hennig's game should deliver.
Scientist Supreme!
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I guess I was trying to ask if other people do the same.
Jest Chillin
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I don't think it would be hard for a Darkside user like Snoke to convince Ben that his Grandfather was at his strongest when he was wielding the power of the Darkside considering Vader's history. Wields Darkside for decades and destroys everyone that opposes him. Becomes conflicted with Luke, loses the fight, goes lightside then kills the Emperor and dies.
Kylo is very very obsessed with Power. It's ultimately the most common reason why force users go Darkside. Darkside embraces Power while Lightside desires restraint.
EdReedFan20
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While I think Giacchino is a likely bet if John Willams does not return, I'm going to propose a wild card here. What about Gordy Haab? He just composed the music for Star Wars: Battlefront (and also worked on Star Wars: The Old Republic). He does an incredible job emulating John Williams' work from the original trilogy. Here's the Battlefront soundtrack: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0dqWRYwKNGfLjrM-JVkieEkeMdoXvdk_
Also, did anyone notice the bit of music from the prequels in the TFA soundtrack? In the opening of Finn's Confession it shares the same opening of The Queen Confronts Nute and Rune from TPM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kShrb-zSWMI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNM4SpmvWIY
WadiumArcadium
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Nooooooooooo. It's so much fun.
Luke couldn't stop a gang of people from slaughtering his whole Jedi Academy.
If she is Luke's daughter, I can see him wanting to put her in hiding, and repress her memories hoping she doesn't pull off any force shit or do something to put a target on her back from people hunting Jedi. And then..he would need to get far away from her.
But I honestly don't think she's Luke's daughter. Maybe she was in fact, abandoned by her parents on Jakku for as of right now, unknown reasons. Maybe they were on their way to drop her off at Luke's Jedi Academy when they heard about it being attacked and everyone killed..and then they realized they had to put her into hiding if she had any chance to not be found by the Jedi killers. I mean who knows..there could be so many different routes they could take if she isn't a Skywalker.
Dusktildawn48
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Just read an article about harrison ford and damn didn't realize how much he hated playing solo.
Just think of it as a nice cameo. I had totally forgotten he was in it so I was happy to see him. Lots of good actors in this one, they couldn't all have big roles. Sydow was believable as someone that remembered Leia as a princess and what Luke did. I'm honestly really surprised at everyone asking who he was and so on. He's an old ally, that's all that needs to be said.
brandonh83
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I think it is in short bursts. But it's very, very, very soulless. I feel like I'm playing marketing on a disc.
The final shot of the movie almost took me out of it. I could see their clothes reacting against some sort of wind (helicopter blades?) in the theater. But that's just nitpicking.
Still, it felt like an actual Star Wars movie compared to Ep.I and II.
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That's bull though. They should have known both would look like crap. Maz looks like the characters in Antz, they do all the big focus on the eyes that Dreamworks does. It looked like Roger Rabbit, she didn't fit at all. Maz would have been much better as a short person with some makeup, not a cartoon.
For Snoke, they could have just changed his stupid design. Look at the engineer in Prometheus; giant, pale, etc. Didn't need CG and he looked great. They didn't need to make him CG. And Serkis should stop always being a CG character, nobody cares about mocap crap when the character looks like a cartoon.
rokkerkory
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Blame Mothma for that shit, she wanted to sign a peace treaty with the Empire instead of finishing them off and let them have their own little sector.
Also cut the Republic military by 90% then immediately ended the Supreme Chancellor's powers.
Dumb bish!!
that's kinda sad/funny considering they had an entire book about them
I'm an expert
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I dont think you guys get it. They could have cut off both of Kylos legs and he should still be able to massacre Rey and Finn in light saber combat. You guys need to pick a sword up and try to fight someone who can actually use one. You'd be down in one hit. The only explanation would be that kylo has never received an ounce of lightsaber training which makes no sense because he built his saber obviously.
Even if all he did was swing his sword around with luke for 10 mins, that'd be enough for him to be the second greatest light saber duelist. I dont care about Kylo getting beat down, it just made no sense that itd be in light saber combat.
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