[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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KINGofCRA5H
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Rey's theme is incredible.
Nobody likes Anakin or considers him a convincing character in any way, shape or form, so who cares about him?
Ether_Snake
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We haven't seen that before because there were plenty of force users. Now that almost none were left, the force has awakened, so it's going overpowered. Who knows really, but that's my impression when Snoke speaks about it, that the force itself is emerging, not being discovered.
brandonh83
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I did and do.
Oh, this is easily the most dynamic looking Star Wars in the entire film series, no doubt.
Two story threads that did not follow.
The first is the premise of the Resistance, New Order, and Republic. From how they are portrayed, it feels like the Resistance is little more than the Rebel Alliance continued, as if they never really won or came into power in the OT. 30 years later and their "fleet" is still a small pack of X-Wings, they have one main base, and still seem like a ragtag group that had their back to the wall. It felt like the victory at the end of the Jedi didn't count for anything; I really didn't follow what was supposed to happen since. I'd have preferred a setup where the story was flipped, with the old Alliance members being in a position of strength but finding themselves under increasing assault by the New Order.
In the narrative itself, I didn't understand why they went to Kaz's base, what the goal was. I feel like missed a line of dialogue or something, but when they were there the story seemed to stall out. They basically needed some downtime for some character beats and to wait for the factions to catch up to them, but I didn't catch what they were intending to do.
The first is the premise of the Resistance, New Order, and Republic. From how they are portrayed, it feels like the Resistance is little more than the Rebel Alliance continued, as if they never really won or came into power in the OT. 30 years later and their "fleet" is still a small pack of X-Wings, they have one main base, and still seem like a ragtag group that had their back to the wall. It felt like the victory at the end of the Jedi didn't count for anything; I really didn't follow what was supposed to happen since. I'd have preferred a setup where the story was flipped, with the old Alliance members being in a position of strength but finding themselves under increasing assault by the New Order.
In the narrative itself, I didn't understand why they went to Kaz's base, what the goal was. I feel like missed a line of dialogue or something, but when they were there the story seemed to stall out. They basically needed some downtime for some character beats and to wait for the factions to catch up to them, but I didn't catch what they were intending to do.
It was definitely the most dynamically shot Star Wars.
Instead of focusing on the blown up planets, which is treated as an afterthought instead of the galaxy-wide changing event that it is, they focus primarily on its size. They wasted a perfect opportunity to highlight the threat by instead of capitalizing on the consequences like ANH does, they joke about it literally being the 'bigger, better' model.
ElBoxyBrown
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WadiumArcadium
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They went there as Han said Maz could get BB-8 to Leia. He seemed pretty reluctant to go to D'Qar at first.
Anakin never looked as clumsy and awkward as Kylo. In terms of pure skill and fighting instinct, I put Kylo below ESB Luke, TCW Anakin, TPH Kenobi and ANH Kenobi. He's garbage with gifted powers he doesn't know how to utilize properly.
Did everyone forget that Abrams was involved with Cloverfield, a not so subtle attack on Millenials and hipsters? This new SW villain is a whiny Millenials who thinks he's hot shit and deserves for everything to be his way. He got knocked down a peg very deliberately.
keltickennedy
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Man...The sad thing is that I bet those trolls didn't even see the film yet themselves. Just looked online for spoilers to then go around and ruin it for other people. What sad individuals.
DrForester
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Snoke is Jar Jar.
Seriously. Who else would come up with such a stupid name.
Seriously. Who else would come up with such a stupid name.
Yeah I tried pointing this out earlier. Nobody followed up on it though.
Jest Chillin
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Most people that have expressed a dissatisfaction with how Kylo's injuries were played are people who believe that Kylo should've been a super strong badass right from the start instead of the conflicted and petulant child that he actually is.
People wanted him to be Vader strong in The Force and Darth Maul duel expert in one and they're disappointed that he's not. That's never more clear than in the forest when he doesn't absolutely demolish the two green characters.
I thought it just referred to the force awakening specifically in Rey. Not like, in general.
It's not like Kylo is incompetent because he can't use a lightsaber. He's absurdly powerful with the Force and he's savage as fuck. All I'm saying is that hasn't had any actual opportunities to be good with a lightsaber. He's had no one to train with. His lightsaber itself is fiery duct-taped piece of shit. Rey has probably handled more dudes on Jakku with her staff than Kylo has with his saber.
Then why is he *choosing* to get into saber duels lol. If he's wounded and wary of his ability to dominate Rey with Force powers, why is he pursuing her out into the forest. In fact, he does Force Dominate Rey with the push into the tree. Just fucking do that again. And how does him being a dingus accomplish anything for Rey? She beat him because he's a clown takes out the glory for her.
How did he even overtake them. He was deep in an exploding building while they were already outside it and somehow, despite this horrific wound everyone keeps citing, he outruns them in the woods?
Obviously it'sRey.
OricWindstar
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Han was just not wanting to take them to the base, as he didn't want to see Leia and get involved in that struggle again. They ended up staying there longer after Rey and Finn's drama and shit went down with the Republic.
They went to her base to find someone to contact the Resistance, which is weird as Han should generally know anyway where to go. There isn't a real good reason for it.
I'm an expert
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Yeah I don't get what would be awakening in the grand scheme. The force was just brought to balance 30 years ago. What's the issue that we need a huge awakening. Unless they plan to write more lore about the force.
Skellig Gra
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Let's hope so because the bad guys so far are all weak ass chumps.
Vestal
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I'll keep saying this. Rey has already had training. When she first touched the lightsabre it unlocked something in her subconscious and The visions she saw were memories being unlocked along with some future visions.
During the entire movie she is not learning how to use the force, she is remembering.
brandonh83
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I thought it looked excellent but I thought the prequels were pretty visually inventive. Apart from the slow zooms during sitting around talking scenes I thought those looked great, shots wise anyway. As much as I love this new one I felt like I was missing that Lucas magic, but it's okay as this one follows the OT aesthetic and is more grounded when it comes to the art direction.
I still personally speaking greatly enjoyed the visual creativity in the prequels, CGI overload or not. Lucas is just insane with design. This movie didn't really have that and I felt the push for practical led to samey environments, though I'm not necessarily saying the locales were bad or that the natural look was bad. Just an observation.
I can't help it but I love outlandish planets like Kamino. I hope 8 does a bit more in that regard.
I could use a good heel turn in one of these movies.
I'm oddly suspicious of Poe for some reason, if that means anything.
WadiumArcadium
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He didn't want to go back to the Resistance. He was hoping he could give it to Maz, go his own way and carry on with his smuggling. He's forced to go after the First Order attack.
It's in the movie dude. Just because you missed it doesn't mean it didn't happen.
We see him shot, we see him bleed, we see him chest thump to distract from the pain.
EdReedFan20
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There are two reasons why I, going in, had a good feeling Kylo Ren was Han and Leia's son. One, I personally think he has somewhat of a passing resemblance to a younger Han Solo. Not a 100% match, but close enough. Then we found out that Kylo Ren is not his real name. We found out at that Ren comes from the Knights of Ren. So that left us to figure out what Kylo was. Then I realized it seemed like a portmanteau of Skywalker and Solo, two families of which he is descended by blood. sKYwalker soLO. After realizing that, I would've been shocked if he wasn't Han and Leia's son.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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darth insanius
HELL FUCKING YES!
I love Palpatine so much Ian McDiarmid is the GOAT Star Wars villian.
fuck snoke lol.
Ian McDiarmid reading Star Wars Shakeseare this year made me miss him so much. I really hope he gets to be apart of the Star Wars movies again.
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Possible. But would require some MIB Jedi mind fuckery that's too convenient. Though everything in this episode was ultra convenient.
Then how esle could be be. The big speculation is that Smoke is Darth Plagueis. Or you can go out on the crazies Jar Jar Binks is the puppet master
It's an easy point to argue as the entire film suggests he is incomplete. Again, this doesn't mean he isn't powerful.
It was so good and will probably be considered iconic in 10 years. Everyone just had their own idea in their head of what Luke's return would look like, there's obviously going to be some that were disappointed. Like some guy said he wanted Luke to pull a red lightsaber and come towards Rey. Silly shit like that.
broncobuster
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Snoke, Smoke, Smoke Monster. JJ Abrams.
They're looking for a line on where the Resistance base is.
I think everyone is looking too deep into this (yes I know that can be fun).
I think JJ and the creative team and Star Wars boffins simply decided they would just essentially do a "reboot" and at least in broad strokes, go through the same story arcs.
That is, have some good guy gone bad that needs redemption, have it relates to family, and a rising-star good guy who is potentially more powerful but currently a rookie, all set in a back drop of a political war.
With this foundation, use it to also subvert some expectations while also paying homage and paralleling beats.
To this end, you need some big bad guy. Are they sith? Maybe, but they don't have to be so why not just create another faction? After all the story of the Sith, if they wanted, can be just that - ended with Vader and Palpatine, and a new threat rises in its place. A new battle for good and evil.
Maybe this new story is all about wannabes trying to fill the gap of what came before. Trying to fill the gap of the Empire. The republic. And the Sith.
I mean why not? They have a blank slate to work from if they want. I would have no problem if they did that, just reboot the story, so long as they use it to subvert what you expect. Which they've already done. Luke faced down his father , and when it came to it couldn't kill him. Kyle on the other hand.... Those kinds of little parallels are what the Star Wars universe revels in.
I think JJ and the creative team and Star Wars boffins simply decided they would just essentially do a "reboot" and at least in broad strokes, go through the same story arcs.
That is, have some good guy gone bad that needs redemption, have it relates to family, and a rising-star good guy who is potentially more powerful but currently a rookie, all set in a back drop of a political war.
With this foundation, use it to also subvert some expectations while also paying homage and paralleling beats.
To this end, you need some big bad guy. Are they sith? Maybe, but they don't have to be so why not just create another faction? After all the story of the Sith, if they wanted, can be just that - ended with Vader and Palpatine, and a new threat rises in its place. A new battle for good and evil.
Maybe this new story is all about wannabes trying to fill the gap of what came before. Trying to fill the gap of the Empire. The republic. And the Sith.
I mean why not? They have a blank slate to work from if they want. I would have no problem if they did that, just reboot the story, so long as they use it to subvert what you expect. Which they've already done. Luke faced down his father , and when it came to it couldn't kill him. Kyle on the other hand.... Those kinds of little parallels are what the Star Wars universe revels in.
Jest Chillin
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Are you forgetting how Child Anakin single handed infiltrates and destroys the enemy space station in TPM on accident when trained veteran fighter pilots were getting mopped up like so much spilled milk? A Child Anakin who had never flown a space ship, let alone a fighter? That was his Force ability instinctively guiding his actions, which is a common occurrence in the Universe. That's how Jedi Masters discovered that people had Force talents to begin with. They would show naturally through the actions of the Force Sensitive.
Oh does he specifically state that he's just going to hand BB-8 off and be done with it? That's weird because he was specifically looking forward to seeing Leia when the Resistance came which is weird if he didn't want to meet them.
brandonh83
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It made perfect sense to me. Ben fucked up when he killed Han. It'll haunt him I believe and it put him at a disadvantage in the fight.
Vestal
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Not really considering she appeared to be pre-teen when she was left on Jakku. Younger minds are easier to meddle with.
Darth Icky
WadiumArcadium
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Being incomplete doesn't mean he's some total amateur. The film highlights that he had training from TWO masters, Snoke and Luke.
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