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[Alienfan]

Sorry from my ignorance, but aren't Jedis essentially priests in that they aren't allowed to have sex? If so wouldn't that make it very unlikely for Rey to be Lukes daughter?

 

[Slaythe]

Gotta love the specifically chosen unflattering pics that are coming.

You mean the non photoshop retouched covers ?

 

[brandonh83]

Also, did anyone notice the bit of music from the prequels in the TFA soundtrack? In the opening of Finn's Confession it shares the same opening of The Queen Confronts Nute and Rune from TPM.

OMG thank you. Right after the screening I told my friend I could have sworn I heard TPM music in it. There it is.

 

[Sesuadra]

Rey was clearly skilled with her staff, and Stormtroopers were clearly trained in melee combat, both of which were shown earlier in the movie.

Sure, Lightsabers are different, but Finn had already used one a little, and Rey has the Force.

I loved how they put that in the movie. they showed the one stormtrooper fighting Finn and showed how Rey could fight 2-3 guys at once with her staff. both clearly trained in melee combat.

 

[Sanjuro]

Pacing and general storytelling went to shit.

Walking up a hill and finding Luke really didn't throw a wrench into much. I'm not sure how else they would have left the film heading into the sequel.

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

disney needs a better video game for 8, battlefront isn't rustling my forcibly sensible jimmies

The only option you have is DI 3.0.

I can see EA adding Rey and Finn as DLC Hero characters in Battlefront but right now this playset is the only video game thing related to Ep. 8.

 

[blahness]

I think people are just in disbelief that two of the most beautiful people in the galaxy would produce one of the ugliest one.

You know what my 12 yr old daughter said when he first took off his mask? "He's cute!" He is not ugly by any means, but he does not have a traditional Hollywood handsome look.

 

[Jarmel]

Like how unbelievably lazy is it that to make your threat serious in the film that you have to directly compare the size of it to the old threat? "This is the old Death Star. Look how small it is. Here is the new Death Star. See how much bigger? That means it's a shitload more dangerous."

 

[Zeliard]

I didn't have a problem with Maz design wise, and expected her to be a Jar Jar type character honestly, I liked her.

But Snoke, pls no

I hated, hated, hated Snoke's visual design. Felt and looked like something out of Zemeckis's Beowulf. It was immediately jarring as soon as he popped up on the screen.

 

[Mega]

Adam Driver is :'(

I think people need to back off with criticizing a guy's physical appearance. It's really stupid and disgusting.

 

[Blader]

It's empirically true that they didn't communicate Kylo's wounded-ness well enough, since tons of people weren't satisfied with it.

It's empirically true that these people weren't paying attention. The movie is as clear as it needs to be, short of having Driver scream out that he's hurt.

 

[TheXbox]

Why are people assuming Kylo even knows how to use a lightsaber? It's not like there's many other Force-weilding Jedi around to fight. He clearly didn't train his saber skills with Luke. (Unless Luke was somehow cool with a shitty red lightsaber)

Dude's an amateur. And also has a gaping wound in his stomach.

 

[BTM]

Am I in a minority by loving the last shot? I thought it was great and different. Made me so hyped for more.

I thought it was perfect

 

[Ushojax]

Sorry from my ignorance, but aren't Jedis essentially priests in that they aren't allowed to have sex? If so wouldn't that make it very unlikely for Rey to be Lukes daughter?

The Jedi in the prequels, yes. But this is not the prequels.

 

[brandonh83]

You mean the non photoshop retouched covers ?

I'm just saying looks can be subjective. I've seen unflattering photos like that but I've seen him look just fine in interviews and stuff. I don't think it's a stretch for him to be their son.

 

[I'm an expert]

It's just as easy to claim "you guys don't get it". You're trying to put realistic sense into a battle between magic users attacking each other with plasma torches that should probably act more like crossing the streams in Ghostbusters rather than real swords.

We had saber fights about technical prowesz in the PT, and they were shit. Saber fights are analogues for the character's spirits at war, and that's the only time the fights feel true and believable.

And, again, the guy was injured, badly, in several ways. It wasn't a fair show of his skill regardless.

That's why the only way it makes sense is Rey is a force god. Greater than Anakin or Luke or Sheev. Which will be just silly because what purpose does she serve in the universe to have such innate force power that she needs no training.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Like how unbelievably lazy is it that to make your threat serious in the film that you have to directly compare the size of it to the old threat? "This is the old Death Star. Look how small it is. Here is the new Death Star. See how much bigger? That means it's a shitload more dangerous."

ehh even Han immediately dismisses the fact that it is bigger.

 

[MMarston]

OMG thank you. Right after the screening I told my friend I could have sworn I heard TPM music in it. There it is.

There was also a track that was heavily familiar to the ending of Anakin's Dark Deeds.

 

[Jest Chillin]

But he's talking to him as if he was listening, Anakin would tell him he's wrong. So I don't know. He seems to look up to Vader, but Vader according to you failed exactly here Ren wouldn't want to.

I think Ren's line implies he wants to kill Snoke and bring order to the galaxy.

He's just praying. Darkside users can't communicate with Force Ghosts.

He looks up to Vader not Anakin. He feels the Darkside is more powerful and is the correct side of The Force. This is expressed when Kylo says he's "being seduced by The Light." So it would seem that he feels The Light is temptous and bad from his point of view. So Vader going to The Light at the end would mean that he fell for the seduction. A seduction that only succeeded when Vader's son tempted him with it.

This is precisely why Kylo kills Han. Han (or his family in general) are the greatest temptation for Kylo to go Lightside. Snoke even says as much. So Kylo thinks that he must not fall to his temptation and thinks he'll be free of it when he kills Han. Only to discover afterward that it's done nothing but make him feel even more conflicted and tumultuous.

 

[ryutaro's mama]

Is it safe to say they pried that lightsaber out Luke's cold, dead hand?

 

[Dr. Black Jack]

Am I in a minority by loving the last shot? I thought it was great and different. Made me so hyped for more.

I think a side shot framing both of them on opposite sides of the screen would have been better but it was OK.

 

[Jarmel]

Walking up a hill and finding Luke really didn't throw a wrench into much. I'm not sure how else they would have left the film heading into the sequel.

I was referring more to the whole back third. But even after Starkiller blowing up, there is very little reflection time. Does anybody even grieve Han at the end? Does Leia? She gets that Force Shock or whatever and I think that's it.

 

[Dusktildawn48]

Didn't he want the Han character killed back in the OT? He really doesn't like that role it seems.

Yeah. So I guess he's really gone short of a ghost cameo

 

[Henkka]

I think people need to back off with criticizing a guy's physical appearance. It's really stupid and disgusting.

Imagine if it was a woman, lol.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

There was also a track that was heavily familiar to the ending of Anakin's Dark Deeds.

Yeah, Torn Apart I think.

I think people need to back off with criticizing a guy's physical appearance. It's really stupid and disgusting.

Agreed, they're probably not oil paintings themselves.

 

[fastmower]

Like how unbelievably lazy is it that to make your threat serious in the film that you have to directly compare the size of it to the old threat? "This is the old Death Star. Look how small it is. Here is the new Death Star. See how much bigger? That means it's a shitload more dangerous."

I think that was to imply how difficult it would be to disable. Not how deadly it was.

 

[Sanjuro]

I was referring more to the whole back third. But even after Starkiller blowing up, there is very little reflection time. Does anybody even grieve Han at the end? Does Leia? She gets that Force Shock or whatever and I think that's it.

Oh, sure. I was just talking about the departure/arrival at the island segment.

You get a couple scenes of Leia looking bummed, and one with Chewie. Those are really the only two characters who are wildly attached to him at this stage anyway.

 

[Freezasaurus]

Question:

Do you guys think Snoke is a dark jedi/sith or is he just someone who knows stuff about sith but is not one himself?

The term Sith feels a bit outdated at this point, as it refers to a specific order that followed a code. These dudes seem like they're just power-hungry darksiders.

 

[I'm an expert]

That light saber is Anakins. Luke would have his green one. Why would he want the blue one..itll just be Reys.

 

[Ether_Snake]

That's why the only way it makes sense is Rey is a force god. Greater than Anakin or Luke or Sheev. Which will be just silly because what purpose does she serve in the universe to have such innate force power that she needs no training.

The force itself is "waking up", so it kind of makes sense. This isn't purely a result of training like some DBZ schtick. Don't be surprised to see more force users out of nowhere in the next movies, including on the dark side.

 

[Brakke]

Why are people assuming Kylo even knows how to use a lightsaber? It's not like there's many other Force-weilding Jedi around to fight. He clearly didn't train his saber skills with Luke. (Unless Luke was somehow cool with a shitty red lightsaber)

Dude's an amateur. And also has a gaping wound in his stomach.

You're talking about a guy who commands private audiences with the most powerful dude in the entire galaxy. The movie frames Hux -- an OUTRAGEOUSLY competent dude -- as rival to Kylo. If Kylo was an idiot clown boy all along why the fuck does Snoke give him the time of day, much less a private squad of Stormtroopers? Dude demands Snoke entrust him with missions, and Snoke grants him them. So if Kyle is a big useless putz then Snoke is too. Or else Snoke just doesn't care if his missions are flubbed?

 

[Zeliard]

That's why the only way it makes sense is Rey is a force god. Greater than Anakin or Luke or Sheev. Which will be just silly because what purpose does she serve in the universe to have such innate force power that she needs no training.

Well, Rey is the catalyst (or at least central figure) when it comes to the Force re-awakening, that Snoke warns Ren about. It stands to reason she'd have around the same abilities/potential as Anakin or greater, who was the chosen one who would be bring balance to the Force or whatnot. They both seem to be similarly pivotal figures.

 

[Jarmel]

I think that was to imply how difficult it would be to disable. Not how deadly it was.

They specifically show the size of the old Death Star and prop it right up to Starkiller. After which people marvel at the size. They then talk about the difficulties of disabling it.

 

[Mega]

Why are people assuming Kylo even knows how to use a lightsaber? It's not like there's many other Force-weilding Jedi around to fight. He clearly didn't train his saber skills with Luke. (Unless Luke was somehow cool with a shitty red lightsaber)

Dude's an amateur. And also has a gaping wound in his stomach.

The biggest clue early on that he's a childish amateur was the sloppy lightsaber tantrum.

 

[MMarston]

The term Sith feels a bit outdated at this point, as it refers to a specific order that followed a code. These dudes seem like they're just power-hungry darksiders.

Maz brought up the term Sith so it might be still a possibility but honestly, Snoke should be an entirely different thing altogether.

 

[Ether_Snake]

That light saber is Anakins. Luke would have his green one. Why would he want the blue one..itll just be Reys.

Do we know for sure even kept it after fighting Vader? As far as I recall he doesn't have it when he's saving him, I could be wrong but my feel is it was left on the Death Star.

 

[brandonh83]

I think Snoke is a puppet. We haven't met the big bad of the new movies yet IMO.

 

[fastmower]

They specifically show the size of the old Death Star and prop it right up to Starkiller. After which people marvel at the size. They then talk about the difficulties of disabling it.

I don't see the problem...

 

[Jarmel]

The biggest clue early on that he's a childish amateur was the sloppy lightsaber tantrum.

Anakin was chilid-ish but he wasn't an amateur.

 

[I'm an expert]

The force itself is "waking up", so it kind of makes sense. This isn't purely a result of training like some DBZ schtick. Don't be surprised to see more force users out of nowhere in the next movies, including on the dark side.

Isn't this basically gohan lol. When faced with danger/protecting loved ones the natural power comes out at full potential? If so, this isn't getting a lucky shot on a space station, its becoming an absolute force expert in technique without any training. We have never seen that before in this universe. She is stronger than Anakin.

 

[Blader]

I was referring more to the whole back third. But even after Starkiller blowing up, there is very little reflection time. Does anybody even grieve Han at the end? Does Leia? She gets that Force Shock or whatever and I think that's it.

Rey right when it happens, Chewie on the Falcon after they leave.

The movie doesn't need to devote a whole funeral sequence to it.

How much time did they spend grieving Obi-Wan? Luke sulks for a second on the Falcon, then it's practically forgotten!

 

[MMarston]

I think Snoke is a puppet. We haven't met the big bad of the new movies yet IMO.

Man, watch it be fucking Sheev all over again.

 

[JJDubz]

Maybe Rey is The Exile reincarnated. Would explain the power she holds.

Spoiler

This will be true in my personal canon, idgaf

 

[Meowster]

I feel bad for two of my co-workers, they were playing Starcraft last night and both got spoiled by some awful trolls on two seperate occasions. Both still going to see it tonight though, sucks they got spoiled right before they went to go see it. Trolls are awful.

 

[Arrowgigantic]

Is it safe to say they pried that lightsaber out Luke's cold, dead hand?

It had probably rotted away to a pile of bones by the time it was recovered.

 

[brandonh83]

Man, watch it be fucking Sheev all over again.

We'd be like awwww sheeeeiv. But yeah. I don't buy that Snoke is the main baddie.

 

[darkazcura]

You're talking about a guy who commands private audiences with the most powerful dude in the entire galaxy. The movie frames Hux -- an OUTRAGEOUSLY competent dude -- as rival to Kylo. If Kylo was an idiot clown boy all along why the fuck does Snoke give him the time of day, much less a private squad of Stormtroopers? Dude demands Snoke entrust him with missions, and Snoke grants him them. So if Kyle is a big useless putz then Snoke is too. Or else Snoke just doesn't care if his missions are flubbed?

What does any of this have to do with his saber skills? The point is that he may not be trained that well in using a saber in the first place. That has little to do with his ability to lead, force potential, and ability to use the force in other areas well. We already have seen him do things that no other force users have shown ability to do before, but that doesn't make him a master or even competent with a saber.

 

[WadiumArcadium]

Kylo's raw but he's not an amateur lightsaber user. He deflects Rey's blaster shots with ease and pulls off moves like this.

 

[Meowster]

Maybe Rey is The Exile reincarnated. Would explain the power she holds.

Spoiler

This will be true in my personal canon, idgaf

This has low-key been my theory for the past two days.. hehe

 

[Aureon]

Wait, why do people hate the last segment of the film?

Are these the same people who want end credits stuff?

Casually destroying the New Republic system sent me on a real downer.
It made it no longer feel like space, at all. The scene with people in other star systems seeing the planets blow up, too... ugh.
It recovers when Han meets Ben\Ren, but not before that. The whole Starkiller\assault on it feels really like checklist writing.