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Not denying the wound, but..how did he overtake them lol.
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Not denying the wound, but..how did he overtake them lol.
BarringGaffner
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I liked the final shot in concept.. it reminded me of a helicopter shot you might see on a BBC documentary about Skellig Michael. powerful, majestic scenery.
But something about it was off. Were they composited together? Luke looked oddly pasted on top. It seems like they mucked with it a bit in post.
But something about it was off. Were they composited together? Luke looked oddly pasted on top. It seems like they mucked with it a bit in post.
The One and Done
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I felt like it would have been even better if they cut as Rey held out the saber.
Mammoth Jones
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Ok, I'm not the only one that was like "what the hell...when did they add Giants to Star Wars..?"
WadiumArcadium
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I can't recall him saying he was looking forward to seeing her. I might be wrong.
darkazcura
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No offense, and I know you are probably going to take this as a cop out answer which is fair enough, but I really think you are starting to overthink this especially when we are starting to question how he caught up to the good guys with he wound he had. It's a little inconsistent, but I couldn't really care less how he did it. It happens in most movies, lol.
They showed plenty of evidence of Kylo being unstable in general, being wounded, being emotionally all over the map from killing his dad, and likely not trained that well in saber fighting anyway which is clearly shown with how unstable his saber is in the first place. If you don't like any of the evidence they displayed in the movie, fair enough I guess, but for me, they showed enough weaknesses on Kylo's side that it isn't too unbelievable that he lost to Rey.
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Do people really say on accident or you just didn't realize the typo? It's by accident..right? Shit like this always makes me doubt my English.
I didn't miss anything.
He has value to Snoke as an apprentice and one of the only known remaining Force users, especially one particularly seduced by the Dark Side. Kylo could still be a brat and a mediocre fighter. This is all too reminiscent of how the Emperor's rising star, Anakin, became a burned, mangled and mutilated mess. The Emperor kept Vader in his diminished state as his second hand because.. What choice did he have? There were no replacements UNTIL Luke came out of the shadows.
Yeah, I thought it was the opposite: Han wasn't looking forward to seeing Leia again.
Aaron Strife
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Well QuiGon and Kenobi did do it at the beginning of Episode I while fighting the droid-deckas
and proceeded to never do it ever again
He doesn't outright state it but you can see it on his face when Leia's ship arrives. Finn rushes over to tell Han about Rey being kidnapped and Han brushes him off as he's staring at Leia's ship arriving.
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I think things should have been reworked to have Leia give Rey the saber. Would have implied some pretty big changes on her getting captured, but I would see it this way:
1- Stop at the cantina to refill. Maz doesn't exist.
2- The Order and the Resistance arrive and the big fight happens.
3- Leia would have had the light saber and would have used it during the fight after losing her blaster trying to save Han (I think it would have been pretty cool, making Leia bad ass, which she was in the OT, without making her on par with Luke, no force power), Han and Leia gets ultimately saved by Rey, can't be TOO bad ass.
4- The good guys win, the order pulls out.
5- Leia meets Rey and Rey is curious about the saber, Luke, etc., and Leia feels there's something special about Rey. Rey touches the saber and has her vision.
6- During the night, Rey is called out, almost trance like, as if Luke is calling to her. She walks out of the location they are staying at, going into the forest. We are led to think she is going to meet Luke, maybe speak to him through the force. We see a robed figure. It's Ren.
7- Ren force-freezes her, captures her.
8- Leia gives the saber to Finn and Han, saying she feels Rey is meant to have it.
That to me would have worked much better than what we got.
EdReedFan20
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But do we know he is a giant? All we saw of Snoke was a hologram. What if Snoke is actually quite tiny. I mean, Palpatine wasn't really a big floating head in TESB.
Not an amateur, but not the level of a Sith Lord / Jedi Knight.
I can't believe Rey first called that ship "garbage". >:0
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Force speed should allow him to be untouchable in light saber combat. So he used it to catch them but then said fuck it too tired to win against them.
Well it would need to be brought back into balance, right? Luke's Jedi academy was wiped out by a student who turned, and at the start of the film the Dark side is in power and Kylo Ren is strutting around under the guidance of another (we assume) powerful Dark side figure, while the Light side is hiding out in the mountains. The two sides are, at that point, notably imbalanced.
If Rey doesn't emerge then the Dark side just runs roughshod on the galaxy.
They are totally going for not a giant reveal like Yoda. I didn't like Snoke and his big giant projection.
The moment she said garbage, I knew what the hell she was talking about
Exactly he's clearly unstable he was injured but you saw the tantrums lol. Not mention Snoke even reveals his training isn't complete. How old do we assume Ren is?
Well she's already landing by then. But he didn't say before that, "I'll go with you, I want to see Leia again!"
Yup. Awesome moment.
Skellig Gra
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Haha that was my exact reaction
Jest Chillin
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I'm not sure what relevance it has but "on accident" is commonly used, as is "by accident", or I could've phrased it to say "accidentally". Language is a constantly changing and evolving thing.
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First post in this thread.
Did anyone else think Domnall Gleeson absolutely sucked? He's a fine actor but was totally miscast in that role. I visibly cringed every time he was on screen - he can't do intimidating general at all.
Did anyone else think Domnall Gleeson absolutely sucked? He's a fine actor but was totally miscast in that role. I visibly cringed every time he was on screen - he can't do intimidating general at all.
BarringGaffner
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again I thought this was incredibly clear. You're supposed to think he's massive but the hologram effect shows he's just in another location. He's the same size as the rest of them, or at least some sort of human size.
Did you not pay attention? He's arrogant and childish. He didn't think a Stormtrooper and a girl from the desert posed a risk. He briefly dominated Rey with his power then she overcame him with her own surprising Force powers. Pay attention. Geez.
How did he overtake them? Are you serious? This is a thing that bothers you? Fine. It's his home turf and he knows shortcuts and his way around the forest better than the newly arrived heroes. Pretty obvious.
hes wasnt supposed to be intimidating
I had a bad feeling about Hux ever since he was cast -- dude just does not look menacing at all, and I figured they'd have him ham it up to counterbalance. And he sure as hell hammed it way up. :lol
During my viewing of the film, this is who kept coming into mind in terms of where Kylo was at.
I actually had the feeling that is what they where going for. a power hungry guy who things he is more than he really is...
He's no Tarkin but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and wait until episodes 8 and 9 to see him get meatier material to work with.
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Lousy Wesleys....
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Finally I can join this thread. Just got back from our morning movie adventure.
I would say in general I enjoyed the movie. A few minor issues with it, but nothing to make me feel it was a bad flick.
Sad to see Han out, but based off posts here it looks like Ford wanted out anyways (I assumed as much once I seen his character become kabob.)
I was kind of irked at how Rey was able to use force powers so suddenly, and exponentially as the movie progressed. How did she know she can control weak minds? How is she pulling objects to her? Seemed a bit much for an untrained mind. I'm sure the reasons and theories are in this thread already, I haven't searched much of it yet.
It looked very cool. Even when the screen was filled with tons of action, it didnt feel overdone or pointless like in the prequels. I'm glad there aren't a tone of random robot flying around for no reason. You cant deny this is a JJ Abrams movie. That trademark lens flare is a dead giveaway, haha.
Plot holes and all, it was very enjoyable.
I would say in general I enjoyed the movie. A few minor issues with it, but nothing to make me feel it was a bad flick.
Sad to see Han out, but based off posts here it looks like Ford wanted out anyways (I assumed as much once I seen his character become kabob.)
I was kind of irked at how Rey was able to use force powers so suddenly, and exponentially as the movie progressed. How did she know she can control weak minds? How is she pulling objects to her? Seemed a bit much for an untrained mind. I'm sure the reasons and theories are in this thread already, I haven't searched much of it yet.
It looked very cool. Even when the screen was filled with tons of action, it didnt feel overdone or pointless like in the prequels. I'm glad there aren't a tone of random robot flying around for no reason. You cant deny this is a JJ Abrams movie. That trademark lens flare is a dead giveaway, haha.
Plot holes and all, it was very enjoyable.
Boobahzone
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I wanted to see more of the Knights of Ren. Especially the dude in the back with the giant cleaver.
BarringGaffner
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This.
Why do people think that people in powerful positions, like Kylo Ren/Gleeson's character need to be perfect villains? I don't get this.
It's so much more interesting to have people TRYING to be powerful.
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It was already looked at as a hunk of junk in the original movies though, and this is 30 years later. Makes sense to me.
Don't think he was intimidating, more full on drinking the kool-aid. He was okay, not great or bad. I had more of a problem with the New Order being full on Nazis rather than being based on a little bit like the OT with the Empire. They weren't unique enough, all I could think of was Nazis, too similar. Fascist salute, ugh. Too much.
During my viewing of the film, this is who kept coming into mind in terms of where Kylo was at.
That is a very apt comparison.
darkazcura
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Yeah I think the one thing that kinda bothered me is that Rey knew about Jedi mind tricks whatsoever. Like how? Only thing I can think of is that since jedis are kinda considers a myth by her, maybe some of their powers also are known, and she thought to try it? I dunno.
EdReedFan20
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Yeah. I think this is sort of a Wizard of the Oz moment. If he is genuinely a giant I will be very, very surprised.
It's an intentional contrast but it's always hard for me to take seriously those scenes when some high-ranking official starts bossing around and berating a dude so powerful he can literally fling you against a wall or choke you to death with his mind.
I know it's making some commentary about the influence of people in political power or whatnot, and their general arrogance (like the dude who mocked Vader about the Force), but it can come off as a bit silly when watching it unfold.
I know it's making some commentary about the influence of people in political power or whatnot, and their general arrogance (like the dude who mocked Vader about the Force), but it can come off as a bit silly when watching it unfold.
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