Dusktildawn48
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thats pretty fucking similiar
[SPOILERS] Star Wars: The Force Awakens - It's True. All of it.
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thats pretty fucking similiar
TheOctodad
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I don't think so. I think it's a natural extension of reading memories/controlling people that we assume could happen from a Jedi Master like Luke Skywalker. May not be the case though.
My prediction:
Snoke has been hiding in the shadows for awhile. Wasn't the Emperor looking for the "source" of the dark side at one point? Is Snoke potentially something that's been lurking for far longer? Moving around chess pieces?
At some point Luke confronts him, almost/seems to kill him and that's why he's disfigured. Out of revenge and pure hatred he sets out not only to destroy, but to ruin everything close to Luke. He wants to corrupt Kylo and possibly Rey now as well.
"The force awakens" then is not just about Rey, but also about the lurking evil behind the scenes as well.
Ristifer
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Sorry, but I can't buy that. Even if you believe VII is a train wreck script-wise, there is no chance it is worse than III. There is nothing in TFA that is as bad as the Anakin/Padme scenes, Anakin declaring that his "new powers" can save Padme, Obi-Wan's crap about having the higher ground, Anakin screaming at Obi-Wan about Padme at the end, etc. I mean, unless you like that kind of crap. I know we all have opinions, and I like Sith, but it has a tremendous amount of cringeworthy moments, whereas VII really doesn't.
Ya.
Also, it doesn't make sense that she's been waiting 20 years for the people that ditched her when she was a babby to come back. You have to be some sort of idiot to cling on to that. Nevermind being desperate to go back to Not Tatooine just to sit there and wait.
TheOctodad
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What if the next part of that scene is Luke enters and is mind controlling all of them to rescue Rey and get out of there?
Could also just be Williams writing somewhat similar tunes?
Da fuq is that?
I literally went to the bathroom Thursday night with fingers in my ears because an auditorium near the bathroom just got out and people were talking about it. I must have looked like a complete idiot but I did not give a fuck
KOTOR.
I seriously don't understand how anyone can rank III above any of the original or this new one. Just the acting and cinematography alone should put this to rest. The major complaint for TFA its is retread of ANH but it doesn't some of the worst dialogue and shots in movie history.
ghostwritingduck
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I didn't. I watched the trailers and nothing else going in. I didn't even know the name Kylo Ren.
SneakersSO
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Kylo didn't make that observation during the shoot out, or at least there was nothing on screen that depicted Kylo Ren noticing/looking at Finn when he wasn't shooting. He specifically turns completely while doing something else to face Finn, as if he was being drawn to him for another reason.
Chezzymann
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You know, the lack of explanation on stuff like the republic, first order, and snoke may be intentional. The original movie had this 'thrown into the action' quality to it, where you didn't really know what they were talking about and then they filled in the blanks later on. I bet we'll learn more about all the new elements introduced in later movies, especially luke's jedi order and how Maz got that light saber. Only thing is that i wish there was a sense of power in the galaxy, like im not sure if the resistance or the first order is more powerful. It seems like from what i've heard the republic controls most of the galaxy but the first order is just starting to pop up and the resistance was made to keep them from growing.
Also, i really liked the 'show, don't tell' acting that was going on. Especially when rey and leia met after Han died and they didn't have to say anything since they're both force users. Also the end with Rey and Luke was great, Luke didn't even need to speak and you could just feel all the suffering he went through that made him go into hiding.
Also, i really liked the 'show, don't tell' acting that was going on. Especially when rey and leia met after Han died and they didn't have to say anything since they're both force users. Also the end with Rey and Luke was great, Luke didn't even need to speak and you could just feel all the suffering he went through that made him go into hiding.
Agent Unknown
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I'd love to hear confirmation as to whether Han being killed off was a requirement Harrison Ford made as part of his agreement to be in the movie. He wanted Han killed off in RoTJ and for some reason has always obsessively hated Han like he thinks the legacy of the character has been a drag on his career or something. Also did anyone see the interview earlier this month on Jimmy Fallon when Fallon handed him a Han action figure (he jokingly wanted Ford to "recreate" how his on set injury occurred) and Ford took the figure and ripped it apart in a weird faux temper tantrum? It was super awkward, even Fallon seemed a bit weirded out by it. Then again Ford comes off like an unstable nut in all his interviews.
I think the turnaround for Rian Johnson's movie is even less than this movie had. Man. I wish Disney wasn't so desperate to crank these things out as soon as possible. This movie had some good ideas, but so much of it is half-baked. Clearly they never cracked the script, it's even more clear when you read about all the disparate ideas they had in the art book. At some point Kylo Ren was just some bounty hunter with no Skywalker connection.
I like to think that was BB-8 giving him the finger. lol
it was pretty clear to me that kylo noticed finn because finn looked suspicious after not shooting anyone
Some say Luke activated him after sensing Solo's death or R2 himself got some force shit from Luke in order to sense when Rey arrives.
Scientist Supreme!
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I was thinking the same. Lot of Avatar similarities.
I've heard all this Plagueis stuff for some time but why exactly would they do that? What would be the benefit of doing so?
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This scene is clearly showing the massacre of the other jedis (look at the bodies all around), I don't see why it would be anything else, nor why some random dude would be able to club Luke.
TetraxShards
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I want this to happen, so much.
shanafan
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Saw it twice, never heard this but wow
Vader. Same way people at church speak to God, or people speak at the graves of their loved ones.
"Who talks first?" still one of he best lines. Poe is my boy.
Yeah but the original movie wasn't following on from six others... The factions explanation (or lack thereof) was simply bad.
Yeah but the original movie wasn't following on from six others... The factions explanation (or lack thereof) was simply bad.
Saw this on the internet and feel like WTF??
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Picks-His-Favorite-Star-Wars-Character-77927.html
It is captain Plasma.....
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/J-J-Abrams-Picks-His-Favorite-Star-Wars-Character-77927.html
It is captain Plasma.....
Grover Cleveland
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Some people want a big bad to tie the three trilogies together.
ProudCanuck
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OT had Vader go from darkness to the light , in final OT Vader saw the light
sequels will have Ren go from light to the darkness, in this ren kills his one thing that could bring up to the light
sequels will have Ren go from light to the darkness, in this ren kills his one thing that could bring up to the light
Rawr Its Ry
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Homeboy got a light saber through his chest, fell off a bridge into a giant shaft while the planet blew up and leia felt his life fade.
igordennis
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My theather laughed for 15 seconds at this lol
Probably to resolve a plot thread that was never resolved in the movies, despite being a defining moment of Anakin's lure to the Dark Side.
Abrams is a troll. That's not news.
Dash_Riprock
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Do you guys think TFA is a shoe in for best SFX Oscar? I can't think of any film this year that comes close except maybe Mad Max.
Discotheque
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lol, they oversold the shit out of this character in press. she has a great voice and costume but is just a glorified extra more or less.
i'm assuming they cut out a lot of her runtime. she'll probably be more substantial in the sequels. i hope, because i like christie quite a bit.
Yup. Same.
Eh we'll see I suppose. I think having the foundation of The Force Awakens probably helps in spades as he doesn't have to set as many things up.
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Why not mind control whoever was going to club the person who gets saved? Nah.
Just came back and really enjoyed the movie. Perfect length, fun, and just an overall good experience that got me back into the Star Wars vibe.
I do have a couple of things I wish were cut that I'm sure have already been discussed already
1. The tentacle monsters scene was a drag and silly for the most part.
2. The blowing up of the five planets seemed so nonchalant. I know it was done to present a threat of destroying planets but the play off it was so weak.
Loved the movie though.
I do have a couple of things I wish were cut that I'm sure have already been discussed already
1. The tentacle monsters scene was a drag and silly for the most part.
2. The blowing up of the five planets seemed so nonchalant. I know it was done to present a threat of destroying planets but the play off it was so weak.
Loved the movie though.
John Williams always tells stories through his music. Either there is a connection or it is plagus
CassidyIzABeast
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Everything he says there revolves around the costume. Boba Fett for a new generation indeed.
TheOctodad
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I mean, I don't want things rushed, but at some point you gotta produce something too. There's a sweet spot and sitting around to get things "perfect" doesn't always work either.
Same.
SomeRandomWeirdGuy
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It ties all three trilogies together. And with the route they're going with Snoke (old and powerful darksider), it makes some sense to use Plagueis rather than just create a new redundant character. Why wouldn't Palpatine have kicked this guy's ass if he was around?
Fbh
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Just came home from seeing it.
Overall I really really liked it. Nicely shot and I loved how much it captures the style and feel of the original trilogy. I also really liked most of the new characters, Rey and Finn make for some great new main characters while Kylo Ren wasn't as bland as he looked in the trailers. I wonder what role Finn will take in the future movies, Rey already seems set to mastering the force and beoming the next Jedi but Finn seems like he could go into various directions.
The only one that has yet to convince me is Snoke, so far he sure seems like a generic evil guy. He even has a generic evil alien design.
And damn, Harrison Ford might look almost 40 years older but his acting hasn't aged a day. Seriously, it's like he last played Han Solo a few days ago... not 3 decades ago.
While I had read about it, I was still a bit dissapointed by how much they recyle from the original trilogy. From the droid with the info to the bar scene to the masked antagonist to the fact they basically have to destroy a giant Death Star with an obvious weak point. I get that you want to stay true to the original trilogy but at times it felt like too muh.
Also, after months of theories and predictions about Luke it was a bit dissapointing to have him in the movie for like 10 seconds and without a single line.
But anyway. JJ had the nearly impossible task of making a great new Star Wars movie and for the most part I'd say he did a fantastic job. Being hyped again for future Star Wars movies feels great
Overall I really really liked it. Nicely shot and I loved how much it captures the style and feel of the original trilogy. I also really liked most of the new characters, Rey and Finn make for some great new main characters while Kylo Ren wasn't as bland as he looked in the trailers. I wonder what role Finn will take in the future movies, Rey already seems set to mastering the force and beoming the next Jedi but Finn seems like he could go into various directions.
The only one that has yet to convince me is Snoke, so far he sure seems like a generic evil guy. He even has a generic evil alien design.
And damn, Harrison Ford might look almost 40 years older but his acting hasn't aged a day. Seriously, it's like he last played Han Solo a few days ago... not 3 decades ago.
While I had read about it, I was still a bit dissapointed by how much they recyle from the original trilogy. From the droid with the info to the bar scene to the masked antagonist to the fact they basically have to destroy a giant Death Star with an obvious weak point. I get that you want to stay true to the original trilogy but at times it felt like too muh.
Also, after months of theories and predictions about Luke it was a bit dissapointing to have him in the movie for like 10 seconds and without a single line.
But anyway. JJ had the nearly impossible task of making a great new Star Wars movie and for the most part I'd say he did a fantastic job. Being hyped again for future Star Wars movies feels great
I just got back from my second showing and I think I've got Kylo's motivations and Rey's story down.
Kylo Ren's Motivations and Turn:
- Leia says to Han in TFA that they lost Ben when they sent him away. Why would parents send a child away? Because of some kind of traumatic event.
- My theory is that Ben killed his own sibling or something, because he couldn't handle the power of the force. Leia sent him away to Luke so he could help him master it, but as Han said, "He had too much Vader in him."
- Eventually, Snoke seduces Ben and he turns on Luke and kills all the new Jedi. Snoke may have seduced Ben by showing him the history and power of Darth Vader.
- Darth Vader was at the height of his powers when he had no familial connection. He only started to turn back to the light once he discovered that Luke was alive.
- Kylo states that he'll finish what Vader started, the end of the Jedi. The only reason Vader failed was his weakness for his family.
- This explains why Kylo is so hell bent on hunting Luke. This also explains why he was always waiting for the day that he would face Han. Once he rids himself of all of his family, he will reach his true dark side potential - with no connection to the light.
- He's struggling so much because he knows he has to kill his family. This is the test that Snoke was talking about.
- He's also afraid of Rey, because he realizes she's related, stronger in the force, and will have to kill her too.
Rey's Hideaway:
- During the flashback sequence, you can hear that the junker is the one who takes Rey as a child on Jakku - while she is calling for her family "Don't Leave!". Very coincidental that he is also now the owner of the Falcon.
- Han says that the Falcon was stolen by someone. Rey responds, yeah it was stolen by this person, to this person, to the junker.
- My theory is that Luke secretly orchestrated the theft of the Falcon and put his Daughter, Rey on it and sent it to Jakku. This is why the Falcon remains there, if there is ever an emergency and Rey needs it.
- Rey is obviously very familiar with the Falcon, thus showing that the Junker let her check it out - showing some sort of connection there (unless she just snuck on there a bunch).
Kylo Ren's Motivations and Turn:
- Leia says to Han in TFA that they lost Ben when they sent him away. Why would parents send a child away? Because of some kind of traumatic event.
- My theory is that Ben killed his own sibling or something, because he couldn't handle the power of the force. Leia sent him away to Luke so he could help him master it, but as Han said, "He had too much Vader in him."
- Eventually, Snoke seduces Ben and he turns on Luke and kills all the new Jedi. Snoke may have seduced Ben by showing him the history and power of Darth Vader.
- Darth Vader was at the height of his powers when he had no familial connection. He only started to turn back to the light once he discovered that Luke was alive.
- Kylo states that he'll finish what Vader started, the end of the Jedi. The only reason Vader failed was his weakness for his family.
- This explains why Kylo is so hell bent on hunting Luke. This also explains why he was always waiting for the day that he would face Han. Once he rids himself of all of his family, he will reach his true dark side potential - with no connection to the light.
- He's struggling so much because he knows he has to kill his family. This is the test that Snoke was talking about.
- He's also afraid of Rey, because he realizes she's related, stronger in the force, and will have to kill her too.
Rey's Hideaway:
- During the flashback sequence, you can hear that the junker is the one who takes Rey as a child on Jakku - while she is calling for her family "Don't Leave!". Very coincidental that he is also now the owner of the Falcon.
- Han says that the Falcon was stolen by someone. Rey responds, yeah it was stolen by this person, to this person, to the junker.
- My theory is that Luke secretly orchestrated the theft of the Falcon and put his Daughter, Rey on it and sent it to Jakku. This is why the Falcon remains there, if there is ever an emergency and Rey needs it.
- Rey is obviously very familiar with the Falcon, thus showing that the Junker let her check it out - showing some sort of connection there (unless she just snuck on there a bunch).
TheOctodad
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Good point, just spitballing.
Probably Kylo legit saves her. Maybe part of it was "Snoke wanted her alive? Don't kill her."or he's still in turmoil and says, "Run."
eyeball_kid
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Best new character: Maz Kanata. Really wonderful performance by Lupita Wyong'o, and just a well-written, nuanced character, even if she was a bit of a Yoda-lite. Interesting design. Saw the film twice and the "I like that Wookie" line is gold. I hope she survived the castle attack. How has she lived for a thousand years and yet she didn't have any defenses at her base?
Worst new character: Poe Dameron. Horrible Disney archetype hero character: handsome, affable, unreasonably perfect, relentlessly upbeat. Made out of cardboard. Doesn't fit in with Star Wars.
Related: his flying felt more like how Yoda's prequel saber battle was treated...over-the-top and packed with action to the point of ridiculousness. See, Lando flying the Falcon into the Death Star to blow up the core in ROTJ felt pretty dangerous. You weren't sure if he would make it out. Poe flying into the stabilizer thing to blow it up from the inside looked more like a video game cutscene. No dramatic tension, just...lasers, explosions pew pew.
I don't have as much a problem with Snoke as a character simply because we know almost nothing about him, but the character CGI when close-up on his face breaks suspension of disbelief, just as during close-up shots of Maz do. We're just not good enough yet to fool the eyes with CGI faces. Abrams should've known better and used puppets instead, or for Snoke kept his character in shadow and mist.
Worst new character: Poe Dameron. Horrible Disney archetype hero character: handsome, affable, unreasonably perfect, relentlessly upbeat. Made out of cardboard. Doesn't fit in with Star Wars.
Related: his flying felt more like how Yoda's prequel saber battle was treated...over-the-top and packed with action to the point of ridiculousness. See, Lando flying the Falcon into the Death Star to blow up the core in ROTJ felt pretty dangerous. You weren't sure if he would make it out. Poe flying into the stabilizer thing to blow it up from the inside looked more like a video game cutscene. No dramatic tension, just...lasers, explosions pew pew.
I don't have as much a problem with Snoke as a character simply because we know almost nothing about him, but the character CGI when close-up on his face breaks suspension of disbelief, just as during close-up shots of Maz do. We're just not good enough yet to fool the eyes with CGI faces. Abrams should've known better and used puppets instead, or for Snoke kept his character in shadow and mist.
Jest Chillin
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I think you're on to something but I read the mushroom hat guy not as attacking but of telling her to run. If you go through the clip with a bootleg slow mo of pause-play-pause-play.. he's holding what looks like a staff in his right hand and he waves his left hand first as he's turning towards her and then the red saber hits him.
It's very quick and hard to read so you could be right that he's about to swing but as far as what we know right now, it would seem more likely that he's waving for her to run and is killed.
Combine that with the snippets of the book that were posted earlier in the thread that quote Kylo as saying "It IS you" or something to that effect and she may have been the daughter of someone at the academy. Maybe Luke, maybe an Obi Wan descendant, maybe just another Jedi trainee.
bananafactory
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I thought they just sent him away to school. Like how kids in Harry Potter get sent to Hogwarts.
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